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[Rage 2.0]

So are you saying that Ford is better then Honda??? Joke right???


First On Race Day more like it-- Yeah... I'm pretty sure you haven't been keeping up with the race industry latley... Other then the Ford GT, nothing can compare to the honda... Lets see who won car of the year and truck of the year in 2006???

Umm Civic Si and Ridgeline

do put out a better vehicle than the Japs

Yeah keep thinking that...

[Curt]

So are you saying that Ford is better then Honda??? Joke right???


First On Race Day more like it-- Yeah... I'm pretty sure you haven't been keeping up with the race industry latley... Other then the Ford GT, nothing can compare to the honda... Lets see who won car of the year and truck of the year in 2006???

Umm Civic Si and Ridgeline



Yeah keep thinking that...

Yah I do keep up with the race industry being as I work for Roush I hear about it everyday and know the Toyota jap crap dont have a prayer this year in NASCAR....remember this in November..

Nothing can compare to the Honda huh...You just keep telling yourself that and dont complain when your job is on the shopping block someday because people like yourself wont support American companies...Oh and if Ford went under like you want it to guess what the auto industry here pretty much supports the whole country in one form or another so the whole country would feel the hurt...But I guess your job is safe no matter what.

[wsucougz]

If everyone in America thought like Curt, we'd still be stuck with the same garbage the auto manufacturers were putting out in the 80's. The fact of the matter is that the American manufacturers were resting on their laurels and the "japs" came along and exploited that. In the end, the consumer benefits because everyone is forced to innovate. Isn't that what a free market is all about? You either innovate or you die - Henry Ford understood that.

[Rage 2.0]

Yeah so I-VTEC engine can smoke a Roush engine anytime...

Trust me Curt, Im not from here... Tot

If everyone in America thought like Curt, we'd still be stuck with the same garbage the auto manufacturers were putting out in the 80's. The fact of the matter is that the American manufacturers were resting on their laurels and the "japs" came along and exploited that. In the end, the consumer benefits because everyone is forced to innovate. Isn't that what a free market is all about? You either innovate or you die - Henry Ford understood that.

Toyota-- NASCAR Switch it and put a Supra in the race... Then lets talk some business...

[Curt]

If everyone in America thought like Curt, we'd still be stuck with the same garbage the auto manufacturers were putting out in the 80's. The fact of the matter is that the American manufacturers were resting on their laurels and the "japs" came along and exploited that. In the end, the consumer benefits because everyone is forced to innovate. Isn't that what a free market is all about? You either innovate or you die - Henry Ford understood that.

You said it all right here...if everyone thought like me this would be a better place to live...true the auto industry put out some real garbage all through the 70's and 80's...and true they had to change to be better than the japs and we finally are the problem is now trying to get back the market share and convince people we are better..so yes the consumer did benefit because the American industry was forced to outdo the japanese...which we did...unfortunately it is very hard to buy anything American anymore..very hard but I still beleive in supporting American companies and I will not give in and sell out like most people...I have had American cars all my life and never had any problems with them other than normal wear and even with that they were still cheaper to do a brake job on than a Honda. Man I used to think you people in the south were pro american and hung on to the American way.

[Rage 2.0]

Dude I give it a couple more years until a Jap Company buys Ford...

So why are the negative???

[Curt]

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Trust me Curt, Im not from here... TotQUOTE]

Thats not hard to tell...

[Curt]

Dude I give it a couple more years until a Jap Company buys Ford...

So why are the negative???

Yah right....never gonna happen.

[Rage 2.0]

Actually where Im from, they love Ford Expedition... They locals drive them like crazy...

Can you guess???

Then it's only a car... It depends on the person and if they like how it looks...

[Easy180]

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday it will spend $1.3 billion to build a new sport/ utility vehicle plant in Mississippi, creating roughly 2,000 jobs and making it its fifth assembly plant in the U.S.

The 1,700-acre plant, which will be dedicated to building the Highlander sport utility vehicle, will be located just outside of Tupelo, in Blue Springs, Miss., Toyota said

[Kerry]

Don't knock the 500. I bought a 500 Limited 7 months ago and it is the best car I have ever owned. It actually beat out the BMW 745 I intended to buy. Took it to lunch yesterday with coworkers and they were amazed. I am 6' 3'', one was 6', one 6' 8'', and one short guy. We all fit with no problem.

DVD Navigation, leather, heated seats, averging 26 MPG city/highway, rear DVD entertainment for $29,500 and 1.9% financing through Ford Motor Credit.

[Easy180]

Thats the American attitude...Buy a Honda..or any Jap Crap and put more American workers out of work..

Curt...This lovely story may also have an effect on putting American's out of work

Struggling Ford Motor Co., which posted a record $12.7 billion net loss in 2006, gave its new CEO Alan Mulally $28 million for four months on the job, according to the company's proxy statement filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission Thursday.

The Ford (Charts) pay package for Mulally comes on top of the $7.4 million that aerospace company Boeing (Charts) had previously reported paying him for his eight months running that company's commercial aircraft unit before he made the move to Ford at the beginning of September.


Mulally's pay package at Ford included a $7.5 million hiring bonus, as well as $11 million that Ford described as an offset for forfeited performance and stock option awards at Boeing. In addition he received $55,469 for relocation costs and temporary housing

[MikeLucky]

Ummm...Your still supporting a foreign company...And for the record I work at Ford in research and devlopment...The American products are way better than the Jap products now...that could not be said years ago but now the American companies worst enemies are the American people who are still too uneducated to see that...Found On Road Dead huh....First On Race Day more like it...and GMC...out of all the trucks we test at work the Super Duty holds up better than any other vehicle...but the average uneducated buyer unfortunately cant see the facts like we do here in Detroit and those are the American companies really do put out a better vehicle than the Japs...but admit still have a ways to go to beat the Germans

hmmmmmm....

Honda Media Newsroom Release: Honda Powers Entire Indianapolis 500 Field Without Single Engine Failure

"There hadn't been a single engine manufacturer covering the entire field at Indianapolis since 1960, when the Offenhauser ruled.

But Honda went one better in May. Not only did it power all 33 starters in the 90th Indianapolis 500, none of them suffered any engine problems or failures."


and for the record, this "educated" American drives a 9 year old Honda Accord with 241,000 miles on it and I've spent around $1000 in non-routine maintenance over that time. This country was founded on hard work and capitalism.... When Ford or any other American car maker makes a better product, that is when I will buy it. Have you seen what a '97 Taurus with 241,000 miles on it sounds and looks like? I will not cheapen my values for the sake of an inferior product. BTW, it pisses me off that I can't get a better product from the American companies, but when their strategy to increase sales is to offer better discounts rather than bite the bullet and match the Japanese companies in their DESIGN tactics it isn't a surprise.

Germans?? The BMW and Audi are known for their bad maintenance and high costs associated with it.... if that's what "we do here in Detroit" is aspiring for, then that might explain the problem. Maybe you and your superiors should focus more on designing a better product, rather than calling your potential customers "uneducated" because they don't sell their soul just for the sake of affiliation.... make your tolerances better like the Japanese companies do..... it'll cost you more, but when you put thousands of parts with stricter tolerances together they stay together better..... don't count on someone buying TWO of your products in the time span of ONE Japanese vehicle as a successful strategy..... Build a better product, rather than sell us on "cheaper" maintenance costs.....

In fact I DARE you.....

[metro]

I agree WichitaSooner, I'll buy an American auto when they start building a decent car that doesn't require frequent maintenance and costs more on top of that. I've had a Honda and Scion (Toyota) and they never require any maintenance except the oil change every 5000 miles. Even then the oil looks fairly new and probably doesn't need changing compared to American cars who change at 3000 and the oil is much more broken down. Heck, my friends dad had a Honda Civic with over 300,000 miles and never did anything more than oil changes on it and it still ran fine when he sold it.

[Easy180]

Where are the American cars?

This year's Consumer Reports Top Picks are all vehicles produced by Japanese companies. This is actually the second year in a row that that's been the case. In the 10 years that Consumer Reports has produced annual "Top Picks" lists, it's the fifth time there have been no American cars among them.
The biggest problem is that fewer American cars even make it into consideration. To be a "Top Pick," a vehicle must first earn Consumer Reports' general recommendation. That doesn't mean it's the best, but it's at least proven to be reliable, safe, it handles well and is reasonably easy to live with.

Of 23 Toyotas tested by Consumer Reports since 2000, 20 are recommended. Of 37 General Motors cars tested, only 13 are recommended. For Ford, it's eight out of 17 and, for Chrysler, four out of 20.

Besides reliability, American cars can fall down in other areas. Ford, for example, tends to do well in ride and handling, but poorly in braking performance and fuel economy, according to Consumer Reports. While GM has improved greatly in the "fit and finish" of its cars, there still tend to be problems with emergency handling and fuel economy, Consumer Reports says.

Chrysler has the second-lowest score of any automaker in Consumer Reports testing. Bad visibility, cheap interiors and noisy engines are cited as specific problems.

Things are getting better, though. New models and recently redesigned cars from Ford and GM are much more reliable and getting better test scores. The Ford Focus and Buick Lucerne, while not top-rated, are cited as two very good cars that signal a potential turnaround for Detroit products.

And in case you think Consumer Reports always likes Japanese car companies, there is one company with lower average scores than Chrysler: Suzuki