2015 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion

[damonsmuz]

Saw on a.net that United is dropping service to EWR in Feb, March and April of next year. Anyone have any additional info?

[ljbab728]

If I'm remembering correctly, that has happened before and they started it again afterwards. I'm sure that catch22 will know.

[catch22]

If I'm remembering correctly, that has happened before and they started it again afterwards. I'm sure that catch22 will know.

Lj is right, seasonal adjustment that happened last year as well.

[NWOKCGuy]

I got back from Seattle yesterday and the Alaska flight stems to be doing very well. Both of my flights were 100% capacity and the flight back was oversold. The crew was very friendly. Will definitely fly with them again.

[catch22]

August numbers for Alaska:

RT's operated: 31

Outbound:
2,356 seats offered.
2,064 seats sold
87.6% LF

Inbound:
2,356 seats offered
2,213 seats sold
93.9%LF

Combined:
4,712 seats offered, 4,277 seats sold. 90.7% average LF

[AP]

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Aug...nplanement.pdf

[catch22]

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Aug...nplanement.pdf

Thanks! Forgot to paste the link

[NWOKCGuy]

Is 90% considered good? What capacity % is considered good?

[catch22]

Is 90% considered good? What capacity % is considered good?

Historically, 80%+ is good. With cheap fuel, an even lower number can be profitable.

LF is not a solid indicator of profitability, however it is a good thing the flights are full. Hopefully they are filling it with profitable fares.

[gopokes88]

Allegiant showing great growth, as well as United. Frontier pulling it is hurting us overall, but Alaska has to be impressed with how well the new route is going.

[no1cub17]

August numbers for Alaska:

RT's operated: 31

Outbound:
2,356 seats offered.
2,064 seats sold
87.6% LF

Inbound:
2,356 seats offered
2,213 seats sold
93.9%LF

Combined:
4,712 seats offered, 4,277 seats sold. 90.7% average LF

That is fantastic! Come on AS - time to add a 2nd daily!

[HOT ROD]

and/or mainline Alaska 737-800.

[mugofbeer]

Frontier has been trying to become Spirit Airlines 2nd. Though they have turned profitable, their customer satisfaction has been rock bottom. They fired the CEO responsible for this. With some lobbying from the city, perhaps they could be convinced to return. Considering some of the small cities they serve, OKC would have to present more opportunity.

[no1cub17]

Frontier has been trying to become Spirit Airlines 2nd. Though they have turned profitable, their customer satisfaction has been rock bottom. They fired the CEO responsible for this. With some lobbying from the city, perhaps they could be convinced to return. Considering some of the small cities they serve, OKC would have to present more opportunity.

Frontier and Spirit should merge - after all Frontier management came from NK. They could become a formidable competitor to the big three, at least domestically (and Caribbean). Not sure I see NK or F9 back in OKC unless that happened.

[blangtang]

Sub $200 nonstop flights to LAS are a great thing for our market, I'm happy allegiant came back to this market. i'm trying to remember, but 7 or 9 years ago i took allegiant to vegas.

[NWOKCGuy]

How often is the city level passenger data available?

[gopokes88]

How often is the city level passenger data available?

WRWA > STATISTICS

I guess whenever they get it posted. Usually takes about 2 weeks or so for the previous month.

[AP]

Yeah it takes a couple weeks. I was looking earlier this morning and Sept hasn't posted yet.

[catch22]

Usually around the 10th they post the passenger data. And around the 18th for operational stats.

[Josh Ryan]

Posted: http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/Sep...nplanement.pdf

[BG918]

I'll be interested to see how this new airline performs. Similar to the Great Plains Airlines experiment of connecting regional cities ignored by the big airlines. GLO will offer daily non-stop flights from New Orleans (MSY) to Little Rock, Memphis and Shreveport. Maybe OKC could be a future add?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/startu...132300704.html

[AP]

Well our hopes of hitting 4 million this year, though we've probably known for a couple months, are pretty much over.

[damonsmuz]

A friendly reminder that aircraft can always change. I booked a flight in January to DEN on United on what was originally the Q-400. Received an email today that it was changed to an A-319. Cool!

[no1cub17]

So my wife and I are finally guilty of contributing to the leakage to DFW. Last minute trip to LA - tickets out of OKC were $700+ each, out of DFW barely over $200, and this is on AA, not Spirit. At least we'll get to have dinner with friends tonight. That drive back when we return is going to be hell though. Bizarre but makes sense given low oil prices and AA aggressively matching Spirit's fares. If only OKC was a big enough market for Spirit, I'm sure we'd see fares go down across the board here. Hopefully we don't have to do this again!

[Plutonic Panda]

So my wife and I are finally guilty of contributing to the leakage to DFW. Last minute trip to LA - tickets out of OKC were $700+ each, out of DFW barely over $200, and this is on AA, not Spirit. At least we'll get to have dinner with friends tonight. That drive back when we return is going to be hell though. Bizarre but makes sense given low oil prices and AA aggressively matching Spirit's fares. If only OKC was a big enough market for Spirit, I'm sure we'd see fares go down across the board here. Hopefully we don't have to do this again!

Where did you see that? I've been paying for last minute tickets out of OKC for no more than $500.

Have you checked out CheapOair? Sometimes they have good prices.