Oklahoma City (Multipurpose) Sports Stadium

[Urbanized]

Soccer fight!

[OKCretro]

Stadium | Orlando City Soccer Club

looks like all privately funded. Don't give the Funks a stadium

[Jersey Boss]

Accessibility, what does that have to do with the 'cost of tea in China?

We understand all that Jersey Boss. You don't take into account the 'growth' factors. Oklahoma City isn't in a stagnant polarized economic market. Our city continues to grow.

Example: So, when a new restaurant is established does that take away from your 'so called' existing nights out; when a person travels to Dallas or out-of-state that money goes somewhere else. Why not keep it here?

Understand where you stand. Your philosophy: Unless a stadium or venue is going to make enough revenue to pay for itself--justify building it, fill the city's tax coffers; then, you say it shouldn't be built.

With all respect Laramie, you don't understand where I stand.

[Bellaboo]

Enjoy your boring ball. The one game I went, I fell asleep (literally). Never did that at any hockey game Barons or Blazers.

Also, this city will NEVER get another major league franchise in any other sport. The Thunder won't allow it and despise competition.

You my friend, have issues. Sorry Pete for calling it as it is.

[Laramie]

Agree 100%, you don't want to give a stadium to the Funks.

Orlando (2,321,418): Orlando City SC plays in the 65,000-seat Citrus Bowl. Current MLS franchise averages 36,911; ranks 2nd behind Seattle. MLS attendance 2015: http://mlsattendance.blogspot.com/

Mayor Mick Cornett wanted to put item #10 football stadium (left off) on MAPS III. http://www.okc.gov/council/mayor/sta...010/index.html

Sacramento (mentioned by Borchard) built 11,442-seat Bonney Field for $3 million according to this source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonney_Field

The Funks & OKC could private-public partnership a stadium nicer than Bonney Field on city land for under $25 million. Should an MLS franchise become available after 2020 then you could let the franchise ownership provide all the amenities. We could use a downtown/Bricktown/riverfront football stadium for events other than soccer that would be awkward for the Bricktown Ballpark configuration .

[Laramie]

Majority of us agree that transit will shape Oklahoma City's future.

The Street Car system will pave the way; the earlier we do it the least costly it will be; then comes light & commuter rail.

Agree with Borchard's observation about the previous MAPS programs. The more items you load MAPS, you increase the odds for passage.

Transit & Beautification should be the centerpieces for the next MAPS go round.

Hope we can get some items on there that were left of MAPS III: Downtown Retail, Football Stadium & Free Downtown Parking.
2010 State of the City: http://www.okc.gov/council/mayor/sta...010/index.html

Now just what's involved with retail & free parking, I don't know. However to quote the typical alcoholic, "If it's free, I'll take six."

[kwhey]

You my friend, have issues. Sorry Pete for calling it as it is.

Because I don't bow down to the Thunder and kiss their ass. I guess that is issues. Lol

[mugofbeer]

Wow! Its curious how the Thunder organization has, somehow, become an adversary of some sort to you. Have they harmed you in some way or did you develop this paranoia purely on your own? The Thunder provide a tremendous entertainment product for our city and provide fabulous exposure that promotes tourism and unrelated business growth. The players have, literally, donated millions of dollars back to the area for rec centers, hospitals, foundations, tornado catastrophes and such. If the tradeoff for this is to provide facilities for them to practice and play in (facilities for which they pay a good rental payment), then its a pretty nice partnership that is a win-win for both parties. If you cant see this then you are no different than the person who still thinks the world is flat.

[Bellaboo]

Because I don't bow down to the Thunder and kiss their ass. I guess that is issues. Lol

I don't either, but you seem to have some serious ass kissing phobia issues. lol

When you get out of high school hopefully you won't feel asskissaphobic.

[Laramie]

Interesting article:

When building MLS stadiums, formulas are all over the map | Deseret News

Tulsa talks stadium plan:

A few of the details mentioned:
•~10,000 seat capacity initially with expansion capabilities
•Two potential locations in downtown Tulsa
•Horseshoe shape
•Removable sod for other events
•Sounds like they're aiming for 2020 opening at the latest

https://www.reddit.com/r/MLS/comment...ming_to_tulsa/

Oklahoma City could probably put some kind of stadium (limit cost to $50 million) on MAPS IV in the 20,000-25,000 seat range; similar to Sacramento's Bonney Field. Fifty million ($50 million) would represent less that 10% of what would be proposed for MAPS IV (heavy transit & beautification) which should have about $800 million in project initiatives.

Should the MLS put OKC on their radar after 2020 (relocation or expansion); then the ownership group could add all of the revenue producing amenities to the central core stadium. We need a central core stadium would could be used for American football & soccer in the downtown/Bricktown/riverfront area whether or not we ever get MLS.

faq - MLS

[Midtowner]

I really don't like the idea of bringing in any more major league sports franchises. We'll probably be looking at a county-wide penny sales tax to cover the jail anytime now. I'd prefer that be done by a special assessment on property owners, but I also know special assessments are progressive in nature and would be opposed by the powers that be.

[OKCretro]

Report has Oklahoma City Energy FC 36th in attendance for all soccer | News OK

[borchard]

Report has Oklahoma City Energy FC 36th in attendance for all soccer | News OK

36th out of 55. So the fighting Funks are behind:
all 20 MLS teams
all 10 NASL teams
5 USL teams

I've read the article twice now and I STILL can't figure out what the point of it is? It's like most articles in the Daily Disappointment, mostly word salad with NO analysis at all. No questions asked. Nothing.
And more to the point it seems like all reporting on the energy done by the Oklahoman. In the past two years any story in the paper looked to be nothing more than a reprinting of a press release by the team. No questions. No analysis. Nothing.

I'm not a reporter, but the first four lines of this post contain more analysis than the entire article. Hell, there was more in-depth information given about the REPORTER, than about the team he was writing about!?!

[Laramie]

Yes, there's more than what meets the eye. The level of play is different; so why mix minor leagues with major league teams.

These sample tickets price ranges were taken from the team websites:

USL: Oklahoma City Energy FC $10.00 - $48.00
USL: Tulsa Roughnecks FC $8.00 - $45.00


NASL: Indianapolis Eleven FC $10.00 - $100.00
NASL: San Antonio Scorpions FC $8.00 - $66.00

MLS: FC Dallas $24.00 - $105.00
MLS: Kansas City FC $38.00 - $225.00

Oklahoma City on MLS radar?

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma: OKC has Energy FC playing in the USL. OKC officials are looking to establish the market as a truly “major league” city and with only one major sports team (Oklahoma City Thunder of the NBA) an MLS team would be a step in that direction.

Source: What?s Cooking in the MLS Expansion Kitchen | Total MLS

[borchard]

Yes, there's more than what meets the eye. The level of play is different; so why mix minor leagues with major league teams.

These sample tickets price ranges were taken from the team websites:

USL: Oklahoma City Energy FC $10.00 - $48.00
USL: Tulsa Roughnecks FC $8.00 - $45.00


NASL: Indianapolis Eleven FC $10.00 - $100.00
NASL: San Antonio Scorpions FC $8.00 - $66.00

MLS: FC Dallas $24.00 - $105.00
MLS: Kansas City FC $38.00 - $225.00

Oklahoma City on MLS radar?



Source: What?s Cooking in the MLS Expansion Kitchen | Total MLS

Here is my expert analysis on each of these cities:
Austin, Texas: Nope

Charlotte, North Carolina: Nope. Not buying it. The Eagles didn't draw flies. The Independence isn't very far ahead of them in that department.

Indianapolis, Indiana: Great support for the Eleven so far. Would be a wonderful addition to MLS

Sacramento, California: If they aren't included at some point, it's a travesty

San Antonio, Texas: Maybe. large population. Great support for the scorpions. Great stadium already in place that can easily be expanded (Are you listening MAPS IV? committee)


Honorable Mention
Las Vegas, Nevada: You never know.

Nashville, Tennessee: Like to see them actually do something in the minor leagues, before we anoint them a "Soccer City".

New York City, New York: Where would THEY play? Shea Stadium?

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma: Nope. No ownership group wealthy enough (or capable enough) to make it happen.

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: A truly underrated soccer city that has had the Riverhounds as a minor league franchise since 1999. Murmurs have been circulating for years about a team in the Steel City. In fact, Steel City SC has a nice ring to it for a rebranding if you ask me.

Raleigh, North Carolina: The Railhawks do very well in Raleigh, but I don't think it's big enough for MLS.

Rochester, New York: It’s a small market but has a great soccer specific stadium and loyal following for the Rhinos soccer team. In the mid-2000’s Don Garber, stated he wanted to find a way to make Rochester an MLS side. Unfortunately, attendance dropped for the Rhinos and other major markets came into the fray. This dream is all but dead.

Saint Louis, Missouri: Their USL team is doing very well, in a less than optimal location. They would be a great addition to MLS

San Diego, California: Never understood why there isn't a team there, except for; an owner, a stadium,e tc...

[Laramie]

Soccer stadium, biking, sidewalks among Vision pitches

Elliot Nelson, a downtown developer and owner of McNellie’s Group, made a pitch for a downtown soccer stadium that could eventually become a $45 million facility.

The idea includes setting the stage for Tulsa or a private investment group to make a big push for getting a Major League Soccer team.

In the short term, the stadium would accommodate about 8,000 fans and a home to the Tulsa Roughnecks team, as well as a venue for high school sporting events and concerts, Nelson said.

In the long term, though, the stadium would make a strong case for a future MLS expansion team, which Nelson said could go up for bids in 2022.

Soccer stadium, biking, sidewalks among Vision pitches - Tulsa World: Government

Tulsa does have vision. MLS is below the NBA & NHL as far as popularity, revenue generated & operational expenses. The popularity of the MLS continues to grow; Tulsa's vision looks ahead to the year 2022.

Oklahoma City: A $50 million downtown 20,000-seat football stadium could add more to the riverfront-Bricktown area development. Envision a two tier stadium--the first tier bowl shaped with12,000 ground level seats; topped by an upper deck complete with skyboxes along with a 7,000 - 8,000 upper level seats--opened only when crowds exceed stadium ground level seating .

Mapfre Stadium, Columbus, Ohio

Construction cost: $28.5 million ($40.3 million in 2015 dollars) Capacity: 20,145

High school football that involves city area teams or state matchups could be staged in OKC. MLS exhibition games could be played. USL soccer could find a permanent home in an area that could provide a more family friendly environment.

[borchard]

Holy crap!!!
El Rayo compra la mayoría de acciones del Oklahoma City | Liga BBVA | AS.com

[Throckmorton]

Ay Dios mio!

[TU 'cane]

If you want reality, the "multi-purpose" feature of these multi-purpose stadiums isn't used as often as you'd think.
Over half of the year the lights are off. Keep in mind that sports games include one or two days of the week (ok, sometimes more if it's a tournament), through a season that consists of only a few months.

The only things that could be used for such a proposal would be high school Football, supposing we could host the state championship(s) there. Although again, only 1-2 days out of the year, depending on how many of the classes decide to use it (probably only 5A and 6A). Soccer (obviously for the Energy), and maybe other events like Rugby, which is becoming quite popular.
One other use would be outdoor concerts. But, they'd be competing with the other venues, the Peake being the main one.

That's why I don't think it would be in good taste to publicly fund a "multi-purpose" stadium.
Do I think one would be a good idea? Absolutely, but prepare for the reality. These stadiums are ALWAYS presented and sold to investors, cities, and the public as having the lights on every night as thousands flock to daily events and games that are being held there.

Something else mentioned above that plays heavily into this is metro attendance.
Until OKC gets closer or finally reaches that 1.5 million mark (which I think will come sooner than we all believe), something like this simply may not be economically feasible. You have to have a large and diverse population on every level, economically being the most important, that can afford tickets to these events on a regular basis.
And I use 1.5 million just as a general base mark.

[borchard]

Here is a rough translation of the announcement:

Rayo Vallecano grows and expands. The historical Vallecas club has become the majority shareholder in the Oklahoma City franchise to be incorporated soon to the NASL (North American Soccer League). The Lightning, after a long period of negotiations that has included numerous trips to the United States, became the first Spanish club to sign an agreement with a soccer franchise.

The Lightning will own most of the team and the rest will be in the hands of a trusted partner who will work with the entity in the development of a team in a city steeped in years of NBA basketball Oklahoma City, the home of the Thunder , a franchise with Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka, among others. Rayo enters the Yankee market with a view that expansion of the club is considered essential.

Rayo plans to make the agreement official shortly and explain the details of the commitment to the franchise in Oklahoma City, which is the state capitol of Oklahoma, the "Sooner State", a state in the south central US .

United States is the new market the Lightning are trying to break into ,having already set foot in China.

[Laramie]

Sometimes we have a tendency to put too much emphasis on whether or not a particular venue will pay for itself as far as the dollars invested value. Long-term quality of life & economic impact investments help define a city. We wouldn't have Devon or the NBA Thunder & PCL Dodgers if it wasn't for OKC's MAPS investment.

The Katrina (New Orleans) incident opened an opportunity for OKC to test the NBA waters.

Louisville felt that they were in line to temporarily host the Hornets in Freedom Hall, an aging 18,000-seat arena along with university hoops (Louisville) that was very popular in their area. The difference--OKC had a new arena (lacking a few bell & whistles) to test the waters of the NBA. Many cities preferred the NBA over the NHL like Columbus & Raleigh--cities struggling to support the NHL.

An ownership group isn't going to surface unless our City will have skin in the game. A riverfront stadium starter could change the direction (MLS, yes even future NFL) of where OKC might be headed following 2024--possible MAPS V initiative.

A 20-000-plus stadium starter would open the potential & opportunity bring more events to the metro area.

[Throckmorton]

St. Louis Rams Threaten To Leave Town Unless Taxpayers Personally Build Stadium With Bare Hands

ST. LOUIS—Emphasizing that a new venue to replace the 19-year-old Edward Jones Dome is an absolute necessity, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke revealed Monday that the team will be forced to relocate as soon as 2016 unless taxpayers build a new stadium with their bare hands. “We want to keep Rams football in St. Louis, but realistically, we can’t continue operating here unless the city’s taxpayers agree to lay a 1.3-million-square-foot concrete foundation and then construct the new stadium by hand,” said Kroenke, adding that his proposal for a state-of-the-art riverfront stadium would require at least 22 months of manual labor from each of the 320,000 residents living in St. Louis. “The facts are simple: The people of St. Louis must be prepared to personally erect the arena’s 14,000-ton steel structure, raise and paint the 30-story-tall stadium walls, screw in each of the 80,000 seats, and install a retractable roof—all while using only basic hand tools, which we would be willing to provide. Otherwise, we’ll have to consider the possibility of moving the Rams elsewhere.” At press time, sources confirmed that Kroenke’s proposal was unanimously approved by the St. Louis city council.

[Snowman]

St. Louis Rams Threaten To Leave Town Unless Taxpayers Personally Build Stadium With Bare Hands

ST. LOUIS—Emphasizing that a new venue to replace the 19-year-old Edward Jones Dome is an absolute necessity, St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke revealed Monday that the team will be forced to relocate as soon as 2016 unless taxpayers build a new stadium with their bare hands. “We want to keep Rams football in St. Louis, but realistically, we can’t continue operating here unless the city’s taxpayers agree to lay a 1.3-million-square-foot concrete foundation and then construct the new stadium by hand,” said Kroenke, adding that his proposal for a state-of-the-art riverfront stadium would require at least 22 months of manual labor from each of the 320,000 residents living in St. Louis. “The facts are simple: The people of St. Louis must be prepared to personally erect the arena’s 14,000-ton steel structure, raise and paint the 30-story-tall stadium walls, screw in each of the 80,000 seats, and install a retractable roof—all while using only basic hand tools, which we would be willing to provide. Otherwise, we’ll have to consider the possibility of moving the Rams elsewhere.” At press time, sources confirmed that Kroenke’s proposal was unanimously approved by the St. Louis city council.

You seem to have gone out of the way to show any reference in your post to the source being The Onion from an artice they did a few days ago

[Throckmorton]

You seem to have gone out of the way to show any reference in your post to the source being The Onion from an artice they did a few days ago

Congratulations, you have seen through my ruse. A winner is you!

[twade]

Here is a rough translation of the announcement:

Rayo Vallecano grows and expands. The historical Vallecas club has become the majority shareholder in the Oklahoma City franchise to be incorporated soon to the NASL (North American Soccer League). The Lightning, after a long period of negotiations that has included numerous trips to the United States, became the first Spanish club to sign an agreement with a soccer franchise.

The Lightning will own most of the team and the rest will be in the hands of a trusted partner who will work with the entity in the development of a team in a city steeped in years of NBA basketball Oklahoma City, the home of the Thunder , a franchise with Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and Serge Ibaka, among others. Rayo enters the Yankee market with a view that expansion of the club is considered essential.

Rayo plans to make the agreement official shortly and explain the details of the commitment to the franchise in Oklahoma City, which is the state capitol of Oklahoma, the "Sooner State", a state in the south central US .

United States is the new market the Lightning are trying to break into ,having already set foot in China.

You seem to have a better pulse than most on these developments...what does this mean for the Energy? As a complete outsider to the game, is there any comparison between this situation and the Blazer/Barons? At first glance, it would seem that a better funded and league with a higher level of competition is seeking to complete/displace a team with good local support, but in a less-competitive league. How wrong am I here?