Union Bus Station

[Bellaboo]

Just because you don't like what somebody has to say doesn't warrant harsh personal attacks. Anyways, I think I am done with this site, at least for a while. Peace out everyone.

Thanks, if what you were saying had merit, it'd be okay, but repeatedly you're off base. After reading some of that City-Data forum, maybe you do need to move on..?

[adaniel]

I was warming up to him over the last year or so until I randomly looked in at the city-data OKC thread and found that under the new alias bawac34618 (yes they are definitely the same person) he takes nearly every post in every thread as an opportunity to bash OKC, even those outside of the OKC forum. It's like he seeks out any opportunity to throw shade on OKC...and does so. It is almost comical...have a look:

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Oh my.....that certainly explains a lot.

Back to the subject at hand, maybe I am just a glass half full type person but I am convinced this may finally be the point in which OKC starts setting some real standards in terms of HP guidelines.

[BoulderSooner]

In what way do people want to see the ordabince strengthened? About the only thing I can see that would be stronger is to flat out deny historic demo under any circumstances. And that IMHO would not be a good alternative

[NWOKCGuy]

Sorry for the negativity here, but Oklahoma City is perceived around the country as being one of the most soulless, characterless cities in the U.S. and we are witnessing exactly why. T

Where have you seen this? I have friends that just got done visiting from San Jose and they thought the exact opposite. In fact they loved the amount of older buildings in our downtown compared to theirs...

[PhiAlpha]

Just because you don't like what somebody has to say doesn't warrant harsh personal attacks. Anyways, I think I am done with this site, at least for a while. Peace out everyone.

You make attacks on the city and people here constantly, how is calling you out on that a personal attack? It has more to do with your self loathing and constant hyperbole than it does anything else. Pointing out issues is one thing, everyone here does that. No one claims OKC is perfect. What we don't like is the fact that you go around misrepresenting OKC as the worst place in the world with a bunch of outright lies and hyperbole. If any of it was even remotely accurate that would be one thing, but nearly everything you don't like about OKC stems from your attitude and your personal situation here, not reality.

As far as being done posting here, based on how much you obviously hate OKC, I'm confused as to why you waste time doing so.

[PhiAlpha]

I don't want this to turn in to a bash Bchris thing, but come on dude. There is no way that anyone could be as miserable as you claim to be in OKC. Absolutely no way. You called OKC a prison. WOW.

That prison comment is just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/membe...8-1843275.html

[LakeEffect]

In what way do people want to see the ordabince strengthened? About the only thing I can see that would be stronger is to flat out deny historic demo under any circumstances. And that IMHO would not be a good alternative

Staff drafted an option about 4 years ago but it was killed in the public process. It included various items that dealt with economic impact and other items. It was along the lines of what is already in the Urban Design district code.

[Bellaboo]

There has been a rumor that the building may end up being slightly taller, but I have not been able to confirm that.

I had heard something to this regard but not substantiated.

[Pete]

There has been a rumor that the building may end up being slightly taller, but I have not been able to confirm that.

BTW, I just spoke to a very solid source and was told that this is just a rumor and that 499 Sheridan will be built pretty much exactly as has been depicted.

[gopokes88]

You make attacks on the city and people here constantly, how is calling you out on that a personal attack? It has more to do with your self loathing and constant hyperbole than it does anything else. Pointing out issues is one thing, everyone here does that. No one claims OKC is perfect. What we don't like is the fact that you go around misrepresenting OKC as the worst place in the world with a bunch of outright lies and hyperbole. If any of it was even remotely accurate that would be one thing, but nearly everything you don't like about OKC stems from your attitude and your personal situation here, not reality.

As far as being done posting here, based on how much you obviously hate OKC, I'm confused as to why you waste time doing so.

You can talk about any city in the country and make it sound awful. Every city has positives and negatives.

[Rover]

Sorry for the negativity here, but Oklahoma City is perceived around the country as being one of the most soulless, characterless cities in the U.S. and we are witnessing exactly why. This is unbelievable. One of the last remaining historic urban blocks in town is getting ready to come down for a sterile glass tower with no street interaction and a massive parking garage. Is this still 1985?

I definitely agree with strengthening historic preservation ordinances, but at this point what is there left to save?

I do business all over the country and NEVER heard it described as you do. Your drama is astounding and so is your lack of reality.

[SOONER8693]

BChris with all due respect, shut up. Even though you've lightened up here...you've continued to spew this same crap under another user name on the OKC city-data forum and it's beyond annoying. Just because you hate it here and can't leave because of whatever messed up situation you got yourself into, does not mean the rest of the country perceives OKC as soulless and characterless. Most people I've encountered in cities outside of OKC know little to nothing about OKC. If they do know anything, it's about our indian and western heritage (or the Thunder) and that is in no way soulless or characterless. Even without this block, there is absolutely no reason to view OKC that way. You act as if we are the only city that has ever knocked down a historic block, hint your favorite escape destination (or maybe second to Charlotte), Dallas, knocked down it's historic buildings and built a bunch of glass, soulless towers on a scale greater than anything we could hope to achieve.

The demolition of this block sucks, but it is not the end of the world and certainly doesn't render the city "soulless and characterless"

Ditto. I wish there was some way to help this soul leave OKC forever.

[BoulderSooner]

Staff drafted an option about 4 years ago but it was killed in the public process. It included various items that dealt with economic impact and other items. It was along the lines of what is already in the Urban Design district code.

Would this give the committee more info. A higher threshold to approve demo or both?

Those both sounds like things that are reasonable.

Contrary to some I am not "pro" demo. I just think taking that option completely off the table is unreasonable whith every building.

[catcherinthewry]

Just because you don't like what somebody has to say doesn't warrant harsh personal attacks. Anyways, I think I am done with this site, at least for a while. Peace out everyone.

Awesome, that's two positives for me today. 499 Sheridan gets to move forward and bchris is leaving this forum!

[bombermwc]

Personally, I'm glad we're done arguing over this building and can move on. I may be in the minority in the views here, but I saw no good reason to keep the place. I was hoping someone would tear it down long before we had 499 as a possibility. There are similar buildings around the country that have been converted, but none of them are island buildings in a seat of concrete parking like ours is.

I'll take 499 over this poorly designed waiting room any day. Get the keys, and I'll start the dozer myself.

bchris - contrary to your personal views, every person I've brought to OKC for a visit has been pleasantly surprised by most things here. They mostly came in with no idea of what to expect and left with a very positive view. That group also includes family members that are architects and engineers, among other professions. But I do agree that personal attacks aren't necessary.

[dankrutka]

Just because you don't like what somebody has to say doesn't warrant harsh personal attacks. Anyways, I think I am done with this site, at least for a while. Peace out everyone.

Personal attacks are not okay. I was just pointing out a specific statement that is part of a pattern of baseless statements. You have no evidence for your claim and you do this all the time.

Now, discussing whether OKC lacks character or soul or whatever is a totally legitimate discussion. It seems OKC has little regard for its history and continually makes the same mistakes... The demolition of this bus station is indeed very disappointing.

But that's a very different discussion than one surrounding supposed national opinions which are totally made up.

[jn1780]

Would this give the committee more info. A higher threshold to approve demo or both?

Those both sounds like things that are reasonable.

Contrary to some I am not "pro" demo. I just think taking that option completely off the table is unreasonable whith every building.

Pretty much irrelevant at this point. Most historic buildings worth saving are already gone.

[PhiAlpha]

Where have you seen this? I have friends that just got done visiting from San Jose and they thought the exact opposite. In fact they loved the amount of older buildings in our downtown compared to theirs...

That has been my experience as well especially with family in town from Dallas.

[TU 'cane]

BTW, I just spoke to a very solid source and was told that this is just a rumor and that 499 Sheridan will be built pretty much exactly as has been depicted.

Darn. We need 17 feet to make this the third tallest building in OKC. 17 feet...

Yes, I'm one of those people.

[UnFrSaKn]

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[Laramie]

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[Laramie]

Darn. We need 17 feet to make this the third tallest building in OKC. 17 feet...

Yes, I'm one of those people.

IIRC only know of 1 situation where a building was expanded from it first proposal. Oklahoma Tower (Originally Known as One Galleria Tower) was initially proposed to have 21 stories. Vincent Carrozza later decided to make it a 31 story tower.

Over the course of four years, Carrozza constructed three buildings now known as Corporate Tower, Oklahoma Tower and Mid-America Tower.

Flashback: Downtown developer Vincent Carrozza<br>Economic boom delayed by decades | News OK

[PhiAlpha]

https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinMott...76337602674688

Well that didn't take long

[mkjeeves]

[UnFrSaKn]

VIDEO: Union Bus Station demolition begins | News OK