2015 Oklahoma Commercial Aviation Discussion

[bradh]

Thanks catch, as a loyal CO flyer I appreciate it

[Jeepnokc]

Godspeed Catch

[OUman]

Wish you all the best catch22.

[catch22]

Alaska will be leasing Gate 2.

Their ticket counter will be on the west end, where ExpressJet used to be.

Their lease expires June 2017.

[damonsmuz]

I saw that United is sending a E-135 now on the EWR-OKC route. I'm totally OK with this because I'm sure it's either an EMB-135 or no flight at all on the route. (And I'd rather have a small plane than no plane) Just wondering if this is the longest scheduled EMB135 in the states.

[bradh]

I saw that United is sending a E-135 now on the EWR-OKC route. I'm totally OK with this because I'm sure it's either an EMB-135 or no flight at all on the route. (And I'd rather have a small plane than no plane) Just wondering if this is the longest scheduled EMB135 in the states.

It's long alright, took it last November. There are several routes from IAH to the east coast that are also served by E135's that are 4+ hours because of the jetstream, it's awful

[catch22]

I saw that United is sending a E-135 now on the EWR-OKC route. I'm totally OK with this because I'm sure it's either an EMB-135 or no flight at all on the route. (And I'd rather have a small plane than no plane) Just wondering if this is the longest scheduled EMB135 in the states.

It is not "scheduled". It happens from time to time as an equipment swap for a mechanical. Similar has happened to LAX and SFO with Crj200's.

As the 145's go the 170/175 will take over this route permanently. Right now it's off and on between the 145 and 170/5.

[NWOKCGuy]

I'm going to Seattle over Labor Day and just got notice that both my flights are an hour earlier than originally scheduled. Anyone know how that flight is looking? Seems like they moved them to better times and was wondering if it was doing better than expected.

[HangryHippo]

What airline?

[catch22]

I'm going to Seattle over Labor Day and just got notice that both my flights are an hour earlier than originally scheduled. Anyone know how that flight is looking? Seems like they moved them to better times and was wondering if it was doing better than expected.

About 3 months out from any particular month, the airline finalizes the schedule. They may have adjusted it because of gate usage in Seattle or to better connect to a connecting bank.

The schedule > 3 months out is usually a "dummy" schedule. It's a rough outline of what they intend to fly. Then as it gets closer they adjust and finalize everything.

I don't know how well it's doing. I am booked on the first flight SEA-OKC-SEA.

[OUman]

Just thought I would post this. It is interesting for sure.

Emirates planning 100 new destinations by 2025.

Most of the new cities and "towns" will be Tier-3. Makes one wonder for sure exactly what those cities and towns are...

[HOT ROD]

Nice to see this commitment to Oklahoma City from Alaska Airlines.

Alaska Airlines Prepares for E-Jet Debut :: Routesonline

Now if we could get PDX-OKC and perhaps an East Coast destination that's missing (BOS, PHL, or MIA) it would be fantastic while also expanding the city's reach getting OKC ever closer/solid as a Tier 2 city.

[gopokes88]

http://www.flyokc.com/statistics/May2015Enplanement.pdf

[AP]

That's not good.

[bradh]

But hey, let's keep driving to DFW and then complaining about our options!

[catch22]

Theres ample proof that Frontier pulling out, also brought their customers with them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, OKC needs the ULCC model. Spirit or Frontier.

[s00nr1]

AA and UAL with some very solid gains tells me the biz traveler in OKC is still flying (for the most part).

[LakeEffect]

Theres ample proof that Frontier pulling out, also brought their customers with them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, OKC needs the ULCC model. Spirit or Frontier.

Yeah. Take them (and Allegiant) out of the chart, and the year-to-year reduction is 1.38%. Still not great, but much less impact. Southwest was down quite a bit - is that due to lesser capacity?

[s00nr1]

Nm

[PhiAlpha]

I think the oil price decline may have a lot to do with some of the enplanement/deplanement reductions. Travel budgets for all of OKC's Energy companies and out of town companies that fly people here several weeks a month have been drastically cut and that all really kicked in after January. I had several friends flying here weekly that all stopped about that time. As another example, I was at a convention this week in which CHK, DVN, and CLR would've sent large contingents and only sent 2-8 people a piece. While I'm sure other factors at play, I don't think it's a coincidence that these passenger declines more or less correlate with oil prices bottoming out and the resulting budget cuts.

Catch, I definitely agree with Frontier taking a lot of their passengers with them. I've talked to more than a few people that wanted the ULLC rates for Vegas and others (especially when booking somewhat last minute), packed a car full of people, split gas, and drove to DFW. I think Sprit or someone similar could do very well here.

[PhiAlpha]

Below is a graph of the WTI oil price from January to June and the graphs of Enplanements vs. Deplanements for the data in the PDF above. I removed Frontier from the equation since I assume most of the travelers lost were not business (Business travelers are less likely to drive to another airport to catch a flight).

[PhiAlpha]

Yeah. Take them (and Allegiant) out of the chart, and the year-to-year reduction is 1.38%. Still not great, but much less impact. Southwest was down quite a bit - is that due to lesser capacity?

I bet the SW drop does have at least something to do with the flight or two we lost due to the wright amendment. Didn't we lose one DAL & BWI direct flight?

[LakeEffect]

I bet the SW drop does have at least something to do with the flight or two we lost due to the wright amendment. Didn't we lose one DAL & BWI direct flight?

I think so. Flights to KC and St Louis have also been cut in the past few years.

Business travel is highly variable too... those of us not in energy still fly often. in 2013 and 2014, I did about 1 business trip a month. This year, I haven't left the state for business. So many variables when it comes to contracting and outside business.

[PhiAlpha]

Business travel is highly variable too... those of us not in energy still fly often. in 2013 and 2014, I did about 1 business trip a month. This year, I haven't left the state for business. So many variables when it comes to contracting and outside business.

I agree, I was just trying to find a common link specific to OKC travel that would cause OKC air travel to be down across the board. The price of oil is one major economic driver here that could have an effect on business and some personal air travel and I think it clearly is. Though, I agree, no doubt that there are other variables involved.

[catch22]

Just an FYI, the first flight OKC-SEA is sold out in coach, and has a few FC seats left.


Hopefully this flight does well in the future and they either a) add another b) add PDX c) upgrade to a 737.