Development that will make Dallas and KC Jealous?

[Laramie]

Who gives a rat's ass about Dallas or Kansas City's jealously of a project planned in OKC? We know what is in Dallas, Oklahomans helped to build the Metroplex to what it is today. Kansas City is above OKC, yet below Dallas. Both are outstanding cities that are in categories two to five levels above OKC.

Dallas (city) is maxed out; that's why you see areas like Fort Worth (792,727), Arlington (379,577), Grand Prairie (183,372), Garland (234,566), Frisco (136,791) & Plano (274,409) continue to boom. There's no way you can justify that OKC would be in the conversation with a city of Dallas' magnitude. Dallas competes with cities like New York, Chicago & Los Angeles.

OKC has 1 community in its metropolitan area that exceed 100,000, Norman (110,925). Oklahoma City is more aligned with cities like Louisville, Memphis, Richmond & Jacksonville.

We are very fortunate to possess 1 of 30 NBA franchises in the U.S., when you consider that we rank 42nd (metro) and 27th (central city) among cities in population.

Oklahoma City with 600 sq. miles (among 10 largest in U.S.) has potential to chart it's own growth.

To compare OKC to Dallas doesn't mean a thing; it's like a mosquito pushing a train...

[TU 'cane]

I agree with this strongly. I hear all the time people complaining theres nothing to do in OKC, and I'm always floored. If anything, I have trouble making choices when planning my evenings/weekends, with all the shows, concerts, events, etc that go on.

This drives me absolutely nuts. This is another statewide issue I'm afraid as I've heard it all over, from people all over.
My personal experiences with statements like these usually come from younger generations, or older folks who literally have bounced around all over the U.S. and even Canada their whole lives, and decided to come to OK for work. It's usually never in between, the 30s-40s crowd is usually pretty occupied and enjoys living here, again, based upon my own personal experiences.

What I think people are really meaning when they say that is they are disappointed there aren't any ocean front beaches, rugged mountain peaks, and large districts specifically dedicated to entertainment (Bricktown is really the only large entertainment district in the state). Brookside and Cherry Street in Tulsa are more like neighborhoods accommodated with a few restaurants and bars, whereas Blue Dome and the upcoming Brady District are still rather young and are just now blossoming into what they potentially can be.

People just need to find something to complain about Oklahoma. Yet, most of whom I talk to have never been to the mountain ranges in the Southeast part of the state, nor have they been out West to see our desert landscapes and mountain ranges, etc. They haven't even traveled to see what a real prairie looks like, either, in the northern parts. They whine and moan and groan, when Tulsa and OKC are, in reality, very convenient cities with enough to do to keep the common person occupied IF YOU JUST LOOK!

Oklahoma is not perfect, nor do I expect it to be. However, it's not to be compared with California, or New York, or Washington state. Each one is unique and has a varied history. What I have to remind myself and others constantly is how young of a state Oklahoma is, and how young both Tulsa and OKC are when compared to peer cities. If you think about it that way, we're doing pretty darn alright.

[Bellaboo]

I've said this before, but my almost 91 year old mother has a saying - If you are bored, then YOU are boring.

[Bullbear]

I've said this before, but my almost 91 year old mother has a saying - If you are bored, then YOU are boring.

I say all the time.. "Only boring people are bored"..

[bchris02]

I've said this before, but my almost 91 year old mother has a saying - If you are bored, then YOU are boring.

I wouldn't say this is completely true. There are genuinely boring places. In OKC though if one can't find anything to do they aren't looking. I think what people really mean when they say OKC is boring is that they don't like the slower pace of life here which in my opinion is a legitimate complaint depending on a person's preferences. Some people prefer to live in a city where they can be in a constant state of stimulation and there isn't anything wrong with desiring that.

[Bellaboo]

I wouldn't say this is completely true. There are genuinely boring places. In OKC though if one can't find anything to do they aren't looking. I think what people really mean when they say OKC is boring is that they don't like the slower pace of life here which in my opinion is a legitimate complaint depending on a person's preferences. Some people prefer to live in a city where they can be in a constant state of stimulation and there isn't anything wrong with desiring that.

I'd enjoy things a little better if it was slower for me. I have to rush home then rush back downtown for the game.....If only KD was playing...

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

I just discovered this guy with his crazy videos today.



Thought they were awesome. So I did a little searching.

Smooth McGroove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Take that, Dallas.

That dude is awesome.

[BigD Misey]

Turns out it was I-Fly and Top-Golf!
(and there was much jealousy to the north and to the south!)

[bchris02]

Dallas has iFly. I can see Kansas City being jealous of that though.

[josh]

Turns out it was I-Fly and Top-Golf!
(and there was much jealousy to the north and to the south!)

I'm assuming this post is facetious. If not, then I'm assuming you're ignorant to a lot of things.

[kevinpate]

Sometimes reading this thread takes me back 15 years or so ... when my youngest and his friends were into Pokemon.
I simply take comfort that this too shall pass.

[jccouger]

Sometimes reading this thread takes me back 15 years or so ... when my youngest and his friends were into Pokemon.
I simply take comfort that this too shall pass.

I still have all my old pokemon cards from when I was a kid (people still buy new cards, surprisingly). Its one of my favorite possessions lol.

Maybe we are getting a Pokemon battle arena! That would make the whole world jealous, honestly...

Or maybe even a battle bots arena? That is coming back to popularity now, and I bet that would do really well.

Ahhhhh, I'm excited about this "development" again!!

[bchris02]

From Steve today.

Steve Lackmeyer May 1 2015 11:48 AM: Imagine a continuous array of housing, major retail and hotels from the Oklahoma River to Bricktown with some of the city's most respected developers in charge. We came close to seeing it happen... and yeah, the extent of the development, combined with the Riversports attractions we have on the river, and an extended canal running through the new development, would have in my opinion two years ago made Dallas and Kansas City jealous. Yeah, it's dead now.

I wonder what killed it. Low oil prices?

[Pete]

^

Must have involved the Producer's Coop site.

[dcsooner]

Who gives a rat's ass about Dallas or Kansas City's jealously of a project planned in OKC? We know what is in Dallas, Oklahomans helped to build the Metroplex to what it is today. Kansas City is above OKC, yet below Dallas. Both are outstanding cities that are in categories two to five levels above OKC.

Dallas (city) is maxed out; that's why you see areas like Fort Worth (792,727), Arlington (379,577), Grand Prairie (183,372), Garland (234,566), Frisco (136,791) & Plano (274,409) continue to boom. There's no way you can justify that OKC would be in the conversation with a city of Dallas' magnitude. Dallas competes with cities like New York, Chicago & Los Angeles.

OKC has 1 community in its metropolitan area that exceed 100,000, Norman (110,925). Oklahoma City is more aligned with cities like Louisville, Memphis, Richmond & Jacksonville.

We are very fortunate to possess 1 of 30 NBA franchises in the U.S., when you consider that we rank 42nd (metro) and 27th (central city) among cities in population.

Oklahoma City with 600 sq. miles (among 10 largest in U.S.) has potential to chart it's own growth.

To compare OKC to Dallas doesn't mean a thing; it's like a mosquito pushing a train...

Totally Agree

[hfry]

Would have made for a great development but I find it hard to see some thing like that ever been completely dead. The cotton mill sites price is high enough it's either going to require the city buying it for something big ie a stadium or a group of developers able to sell it off into smaller pieces as a complete vision. I wonder if Mazeria buying the lumbers coop played a role in killing this. It also makes sense why Steve was skeptical of the bricktown towers idea because of the wheels turning another direction.

[TU 'cane]

^

Must have involved the Producer's Coop site.

Perhaps... That would have been the catalyst for a true link between BT, downtown, and further development South towards the river.

Would have made for a great development but I find it hard to see some thing like that ever been completely dead. The cotton mill sites price is high enough it's either going to require the city buying it for something big ie a stadium or a group of developers able to sell it off into smaller pieces as a complete vision. I wonder if Mazeria buying the lumbers coop played a role in killing this. It also makes sense why Steve was skeptical of the bricktown towers idea because of the wheels turning another direction.

It all depends on how much risk the investors and developers want to put themselves in.
I imagine something like this grand idea will be re-visited in the future, perhaps not all in once package, but broken up into smaller pieces of development... a link at a time creating a longer chain.

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And to finally put this to rest, as Steve said, this would have created a master district infused with everything we could imagine.

[David]

I'm really curious about what the extended canal would have looked like.

[dankrutka]

Something like this actually could have been pretty amazing if I'm imagiining it right... Too bad.

[David]

From https://twitter.com/stevelackmeyer/s...95591218663424

Remember when I once said I was tracking a project that would make Kansas City and Dallas jealous? Read @TheOklahoman on Sunday. Front page.

[HangryHippo]

Oh - I'm surprised he's risking this again. lol

[UnFrSaKn]

https://twitter.com/kevinmotto/statu...99512469544960

[David]

Oh man, I hope this works out.

I wonder if a canal extension is still in the cards. Looking at the aerial view of the coop site, there really isn't anything standing in the way of starting from the current southern end of the canal and extending it west into the new development. Assuming the railroad spur goes away, that is, but surely that would have to happen for whatever development these guys have in mind.

[Pete]

Awesome news.

Hope they can pull it off!

[d-usa]

Wrong about the exact location, but I was right in spirit!