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[jbrown84]

But Jesus is God and he was resurrected--according to scripture. Not the case with Mary.

[Patrick]

Just curious....has anyone that goes to LifeChurch asked for a refund on their tithe yet? I know they have that policy now. If you tithe your money, and God doesn't bless you, you can ask for a refund. They also encourage those in need to take money out of the offering plate if they need it.

Okay, must be me, but I think both of these policies are over the top.

1. You don't give to God expecting something in return.

2. Most churches have a Benevolence fund that covers people in need

[jbrown84]

I completely agree Patrick.

Don't they also do automatic deduction from your checking account? Or is that Hendy?

[Jesus Lied For You]

But Jesus is God and he was resurrected--according to scripture. Not the case with Mary.

Checkmate! You got me! The Bible said it was so, so it is.

Circular Reasoning.

[Jesus Lied For You]

Just curious....has anyone that goes to LifeChurch asked for a refund on their tithe yet? I know they have that policy now. If you tithe your money, and God doesn't bless you, you can ask for a refund. They also encourage those in need to take money out of the offering plate if they need it.

Okay, must be me, but I think both of these policies are over the top.

1. You don't give to God expecting something in return.

2. Most churches have a Benevolence fund that covers people in need

"Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. " -- Luke 6:30

[jbrown84]

Checkmate! You got me! The Bible said it was so, so it is.

Circular Reasoning.

I wasn't discussing it with you, I was discussing it with someone else who believes the Bible.

"Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. " -- Luke 6:30

Hence why we have a benevolence fund.

[Jesus Lied For You]

Yeah but Mary is dead.

So is Jesus.

But Jesus is God and he was resurrected--according to scripture. Not the case with Mary.

Checkmate! You got me! The Bible said it was so, so it is.

Circular Reasoning.

I wasn't discussing it with you, I was discussing it with someone else who believes the Bible.

Sorry, kind of got tied up with the chronological order of things. I thought surely when you replied you weren't replying to yourself seeing as itsgallagher last wrote at 5:00 to which you responded at 5:05 and yet again (??) at 7:51 (according to your argument).

Hence why we have a benevolence fund.

Alright, may I have $1,000?

[jbrown84]

I didn't reply to myself. I replied to you after you hijacked the discussion by interjecting that "Jesus is dead", something irrelevant to a discussion between a Protestant and a Catholic.

[Jesus Lied For You]

I didn't reply to myself. I replied to you after you hijacked the discussion by interjecting that "Jesus is dead", something irrelevant to a discussion between a Protestant and a Catholic.

That you associated my comment to a hi-jacking is utterly laughable! It's a public forum; If you don't want to be "held hostage to a discussion hi-jacking", merely don't respond[1]. Otherwise, you may look like a dolt when you try to deny that a discussion took place[2].


1. "But Jesus is God and he was resurrected--according to scripture. Not the case with Mary."
2. "I wasn't discussing it (an argument of whether Jesus is dead/resurrected*) with you"


*Read the above comments for the full play-by-play. The time stamps effectively show a separate discussion. You clutching straws, my friend.

[jbrown84]

What do time stamps have to do with it? You interjected an inflammatory comment that did not contribute to the discussion of whether Mary is worshipped by the Catholic church or not.

If you were Catholic, that would not have been part of your response to my last post to itsgallagher.

[itsgallagher]

Mary is not dead. Jesus is not dead either. Everlasting life means everlasting life. If Jesus was dead we would have no faith. This is simple fundamental stuff.

[Jesus Lied For You]

You interjected an inflammatory comment that did not contribute to the discussion of whether Mary is worshipped by the Catholic church or not.

Firstly I hardly describe my comment "Jesus is dead" as inflammatory! It's merely the truth. Had I written, "President Bush is a horrible President for going to war", it could be perceived as inflammatory verses "President Bush's reason for for going to war was unconstitutional" which is truth. There is no inflammatory remark in the latter statement nor the comment "Jesus is dead". You have no proof for Jesus' resurrection and I don't heed to "faith"

[jbrown84]

Again, your views of Jesus' divinity are irrelevant to a discussion between a Protestant and a Catholic over Mary.

You can not use an Atheist argument to defend the Catholic view of Mary.

[itsgallagher]

I didn’t say your comments were inflammatory. How do you know Jesus is dead? Were you there? If you don’t heed to faith then what do you heed to?

[itsgallagher]

Anyway back to Mary being dead. What makes you think Mary is dead? Where did you learn/hear that.

[metro]

what does any of this have to do with lifechurch? back to topic.

[metro]

Wow, where to start. 1st my wife & i sit in the back of the church so noone is interupted. 2nd they have never implied that we shouldn't leave until dismissed. And 3rd how is leaving AFTER the sermon disrespectful to "my elders". Additionally, my wife & I leave as soon as possible b/c our son is in their daycare & being 2, doesn't exactly understand why mommy & daddy left him. Please think before you speak, especially if you are advocating a church that the general public is reading about... you aren't scoring brownie points.

jdsplaypin and others let's get the facts straight when misquoting me. to clarify, here is what I said verbatim:

so basically you don't respect your elders or peers in service and leave before you are dismissed? especially when they often say please do not leave until we dismiss. This creates distractions for others and makes it more difficult for ushers, etc.

Where to start eh? If you're talking about Life Church and go there, Yes they DO imply and usually state every week that please do not leave until we dismiss with "Whomever Finds God, Finds Life". If you're leaving as soon as the sermon is over, then you're not staying long enough for them to even say it. They say it during the prayer after the sermon which some people walk out on. I DO think that is disrespectful to walk out on the pastor while he is praying and while ushers are doing their jobs. Not sure what your job is, but if someone interrupted you while you were doing it, I'd bet you thought it would be RUDE. I do agree with someone's comments that said if someone stumbles with their walk in God because of people leaving early then their faith is questioned. Two things wrong with that statement, who are we to judge where someone else is at in their faith or lack thereof, and two, I never said anything about people stumbling because of it, I said it creates a distraction, simple case in point it does, regardless of it being a church service. If I was in a business meeting and it was near the end and I decide to leave a minute or two early, its a distraction for the others who choose to stay until the business meeting is over with? Is that not the same principle?

Furthermore, the LifeKIDS is not exactly daycare, but I'll go with you on this one. I actually volunteer with the kids every week, usually the newborns ages 0-10 months. On several occasions I have helped in the 2 year old room, and bring my nephew to that room ocassionally when possible. As a matter of fact, they get instructed with a Bible lesson (obviously a short one given their attention span), do praise and worship on their level, do a craft, and play. Many of them can tell their mommy and daddy a little from the Bible lesson they learned that day (depending on where they are developmentally) as well as remember some of the kiddie praise and worship songs. I'm willing to bet Lifechurch.tv has the most adequately and professionally trained volunteers of any church in the country and perhaps the world. Not saying that in a boastful way, but due size of the church, a good size portion of the offerings are spent on the Kids, the kids are the future. Over the course of the year's we've developed great kids curriculum and security measures, and in fact churches from all over the world fly in to be trained and watch how LC does their kids programs. We also provide FREE material and resources to other churches expecting nothing in return, no referrals, no Lifechurch.tv logos, etc. (something you won't find most if any megachurches doing, most megachurches charge for this stuff) For more info on this you can go to the OPEN section of the lifechurch website : United | Network | Open | LifeChurch.tv We go through extensive training and background checks before we can become volunteers. Additionally, because of the size of the church, we can break the kids up into more "developmental stages" than most churches and just a "nursery" (not that anything is wrong with that for churches w/o the resources of Life). I'm willing to bet your child is being loved on, cared for and will be fine for an extra 2 or 3 minutes until church is officially dismissed, just like the other 25or so kids in the same class every hour who are probably going through the same thing. Following common courtesy of what the church leaders helps makes all the 600+ volunteers at the N. OKC location a weekend go a little smoother. So all this is not to be boastful, but to answer your statement of "Thinking before I speak"

[metro]

I also wanted to give a brief update on some of the happenings at lifechurch.tv:

Last weekend we were all surprised with the launch of our newest campus in Wellington, Florida. We are delighted that our church has grown to the East Coast and extened our reach in leading people to become fully devoted followers of Christ. If you know someone in the West Palm Beach area, be sure to tell them about LifeChurch.tv's Wellington Campus!

As Spring approaches, we are also anticipating the launch of our Northwest Campus. We want to send 1500 people from the OKC Campus to help launch Northwest. If you feel God's calling you to be a part of the launch, make sure to sign up to be on the Northwest Team. Scott Williams, the NWOKC Campus Pastor, will be with us this weekend along with his team. Stop by their booth this weekend.

After we send out 1500 to NOC, tons of volunteer spots will be opened. We particularly want you to fill our LifeKids Cast Member positions. Volunteering in LifeKids gives you the opportunity to not only change a child's life, but also change generations to come. God has a role for each of us to play in His plan for LifeChurch.tv. Come find out if your role is in LifeKIDS! Our next Casting Call is March 10th or 17th at 3:30pm.

[jdsplaypin]

Metro-I'm sorry you had to write all that out for me to "better understand it" but you did not inform me of anything new... just more babble babble "business... disrespectful... babble babble" This is church, and i can worship, participate, be involved at ANY level i chose without your input "which i never asked for" i've read over your post for years now and many are good and VERY few are bad in my opinion, however, i never once called you out about your personal opinions on how things should be done. Contrary to your belief, i am not disrupting anyone or anything, the ushers simply smile at my wife & I and say goodbye Jimmy & Amanda, it was good to see you again. And lastly, i have indeed stayed many a time for the full shebang and never once have they said please stay or even implied it, so perhaps our church does things differently. Thank you for strengthening my opinion even more so than it previously was.

[CMSturgeon]

Wow. Entertaining.

[BaconCheeseburgerDeluxe]

I just think its funny how so many churches have become like business chains. I am just waiting for the drive thru church.

Pastor: Welcome to McChurchbucks-mart may take I your order.

Parishioner: Yeah I'll take sermon number 5, a Davey and Goliath Sunday school combo, The bacon egg and cheese communion wafer, a big chug communion wine and I guess I'll tithe $5 this week.

Pastor: Would like to make that a combo, It is comes with a free dashboard Jesus this week.

Parishioner: Ah hmmmm...Sure. Why not?

Pastor: Thank you pull to the first window for your total and your assigned bible reading for this week.

[jdsplaypin]

better get a patent on that idea

[BaconCheeseburgerDeluxe]

To late somebody already beat me to the Idea.



www.driveinchurch.net/



Fogonazos: The weirdest "Drive Thrus"

[metro]

I'm sure this will cause more controversy but here you go, our church launched a new website: SatanHatesLife.com

[CMSturgeon]

To late somebody already beat me to the Idea.



www.driveinchurch.net/



Fogonazos: The weirdest "Drive Thrus"

Wow, what a good idea. You could get CB radios just in case you want to add something to the service. And it'd make it a lot easier to act like your listening, just be there, but listen to the game instead. Do you think they'll just start showing movies if I go long enough? If I went, I would drive a large van so I could block the view of people behind me, so they couldn't see the projector screen bible.