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[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

Head Country Hot & Spicy is the best in the west.

I've even put it on pizza and ham sandwiches.


/would not recommend this much hot BBQ sauce in a single day

[Bullbear]

here I thought there might be new and relevant info to this thread posted.. boy was I wrong.

[bchris02]

Yeah went from talk about Tulsa to about BBQ sauce.

[Pete]

Thanks to kaynemo, I was able to drop some 3D renderings into Google Earth to show how different the Myriad Gardens will soon look and feel:

[hoya]

That is awesome. If we can get similar developments where the Cox Center is now, it will really change the skyline and will change the entire feel of the Myriad Gardens.

[metro]

Thanks to kaynemo, I was able to drop some 3D renderings into Google Earth to show how different the Myriad Gardens will soon look and feel:

Cool, but isn't the convention center going to be on the 2 blocks (one megablock) where you currently have the hotel sitting?

[Pete]

Cool, but isn't the convention center going to be on the 2 blocks (one megablock) where you currently have the hotel sitting?

No, what you see is the massing in the latest proposal.

The area to the south of the CC will be for private development along the boulevard.

[HOT ROD]

seems too short to be 400 feet.

[soondoc]

That's because they are only about 3/4 the size of the Cotter Ranch Tower and won't stand out much. Also, the 4 buildings the same height will just block each other out and you won't be able to see some of the buildings except at certain angles. I've said it before, a couple need to be a little taller and maybe a couple just slightly smaller. Some will disagree but it would look so much better, not to mention make our skyline dramatically better.

[Bullbear]

That's because they are only about 3/4 the size of the Cotter Ranch Tower and won't stand out much. Also, the 4 buildings the same height will just block each other out and you won't be able to see some of the buildings except at certain angles. I've said it before, a couple need to be a little taller and maybe a couple just slightly smaller. Some will disagree but it would look so much better, not to mention make our skyline dramatically better.

It does seem like you have mentioned that before

[soondoc]

Yes I have, sorry. Pete posted a pic with the 3-D buildings loaded on it. It it on the GE thread and it shows a downtown view from there. You can't even see that they are even there, thus my frustration that they really aren't going to make much of an impact on the skyline like many on here think. Also, with all 4 of these towers (they really aren't towers) being the same height and not overly tall, it will be somewhat odd to see all of them unless you get close. They will more or less block each out and won't be very visible except from a few directions. If they went a little taller, then you instantly get the illusion that adds to the skyline not to mention they don't all drown each other out due be being the identical quadruplets.

[PhiAlpha]

Yes I have, sorry. Pete posted a pic with the 3-D buildings loaded on it. It it on the GE thread and it shows a downtown view from there. You can't even see that they are even there, thus my frustration that they really aren't going to make much of an impact on the skyline like many on here think. Also, with all 4 of these towers (they really aren't towers) being the same height and not overly tall, it will be somewhat odd to see all of them unless you get close. They will more or less block each out and won't be very visible except from a few directions. If they went a little taller, then you instantly get the illusion that adds to the skyline not to mention they don't all drown each other out due be being the identical quadruplets.

So you don't consider the sandridge or Oklahoma TOWERS as towers? also, how are these only visible from "a few" directions? That is litterally the only angle you won't be able to see them from.

[bchris02]

From the ALoft patio you cannot see the Devon tower because the Chase tower blocks it out. Does that mean the Devon tower isn't a real skyscraper?

[NWOKCGuy]

tower
[tou-er] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
a building or structure high in proportion to its lateral dimensions, either isolated or forming part of a building.

[skyscraper]
The Emporis Standards Committee defines a high-rise building as "a multi-story structure between 35–100 meters tall, or a building of unknown height from 12–39 floors"[6] and a skyscraper as "a multi-story building whose architectural height is at least 100 m or 330 ft.

[high-rise]
Emporis Standards defines a high-rise as "A multi-story structure between 35–100 meters tall, or a building of unknown height from 12–39 floors


Sounds to me like these fit the definition of tower, high-rise and skyscraper.

[Laramie]

tower
[tou-er] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
a building or structure high in proportion to its lateral dimensions, either isolated or forming part of a building.

[skyscraper]
The Emporis Standards Committee defines a high-rise building as "a multi-story structure between 35–100 meters tall, or a building of unknown height from 12–39 floors"[6] and a skyscraper as "a multi-story building whose architectural height is at least 100 m or 330 ft.

[high-rise]
Emporis Standards defines a high-rise as "A multi-story structure between 35–100 meters tall, or a building of unknown height from 12–39 floors


Sounds to me like these fit the definition of tower, high-rise and skyscraper.

Good Skyscraper Seal of Approval!

[Plutonic Panda]

tower
[tou-er] Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
a building or structure high in proportion to its lateral dimensions, either isolated or forming part of a building.

[skyscraper]
The Emporis Standards Committee defines a high-rise building as "a multi-story structure between 35–100 meters tall, or a building of unknown height from 12–39 floors"[6] and a skyscraper as "a multi-story building whose architectural height is at least 100 m or 330 ft.

[high-rise]
Emporis Standards defines a high-rise as "A multi-story structure between 35–100 meters tall, or a building of unknown height from 12–39 floors


Sounds to me like these fit the definition of tower, high-rise and skyscraper.

I do not consider these a high rise and a lot of people I have spoken to and on city data that are from bigger cities don't either. Granted, they are nice and I'm glad we're getting them.

[NWOKCGuy]

Right. I'll take random posters on the internet's definition over a company considered a global authority on the matter. If you were arguing that these aren't super talls, you'd be correct.

[Plutonic Panda]

Right. I'll take random posters on the internet's definition over a company considered a global authority on the matter. If you were arguing that these aren't super talls, you'd be correct.

Which is clearly why I said "I" when referring what I THOUGHT about whether or not it is a high-rise. You're free to think what you want.

[Pete]

In case anyone wondered what the old Stage Center site looks like (thanks to warreng88 for the photo):

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[Chadanth]

In case anyone wondered what the old Stage Center site looks like (thanks to warreng88 for the photo):

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The irony of demolishing a pit that collects water, leaving behind a pit that collects water.

[soondoc]

Yikes, easy there NWOKCGuy. As Panda was saying, he doesn't think it is a high rise and neither do I. These are going to be some nice buildings, but by most big city standards, by no means is it a high rise. It may fit it in your definition you presented, but most big cities would disagree. In fact, our step brother Tulsa would still say they have several taller buildings than the proposed identical quadruplet mid towers. Sadly, they would be correct and they do have several high rises that impact their skyline much more than these will. Hopefully these will be as nice as proposed and from the Peake and MBG, it will look nice. From any distance, forget about it.

[HOT ROD]

would one consider the Valliance Bank tower to be a highrise tower? would one consider it to be a skyscraper?

well, the OGE tower will be just as tall if not closer to or surpassing Sandridge in height.

I consider any building above 12-floors generally by itself to be a highrise, and any building above 330 feet/100m to be a skyscraper, and any building above 986 feet/300m to be a supertall. I consider a tower to be a stand alone building whose height is greater than its width. I consider a midrise to be taller than 3 floors but shorter than 12 generally.

I would call the IRS building and Robinson Renaissance midrise towers. I would call Founders Tower a highrise. I would call Oklahoma Tower and Sandridge Tower as skyscrapers/towers, as is Devon. I would call 2 Prudential in Chicago a supertall (right at the line). I would call OGE a highrise tower, particularly since it is not by itself.

[Urbanized]

Except there are international standards specifying what constitutes a high rise..? It's like saying you disagree that the sky is blue or that a pear is a fruit.

[jccouger]

There were also international standards that said Stage Center was a award winning building, and that didn't seem to mean much...

[OkieNate]

Yikes, easy there NWOKCGuy. As Panda was saying, he doesn't think it is a high rise and neither do I. These are going to be some nice buildings, but by most big city standards, by no means is it a high rise. It may fit it in your definition you presented, but most big cities would disagree. In fact, our step brother Tulsa would still say they have several taller buildings than the proposed identical quadruplet mid towers. Sadly, they would be correct and they do have several high rises that impact their skyline much more than these will. Hopefully these will be as nice as proposed and from the Peake and MBG, it will look nice. From any distance, forget about it.

1.) Who exactly are you to speak for "most big cities?" 2.) Who gives a sh*t what Tulsa thinks about Oklahoma City development. I hope they enjoy seeing the cranes when they come for Thunder games. 3.) All four of them aren't identical, they would be mirror images of each other. 4.) Your imagination is horrendous if you think there are only two spots where these building will look great and improve the skyline. As stated earlier the only view it WONT enhance is from the GE building. and 5.) Put the bottle down.