OG&E Energy Center

[bchris02]

In the last 10 years, OKC has really surged ahead of Tulsa. And while I don't hold anything against them, nationally you really aren't hearing anything about Tulsa, while OKC is getting a lot of positive press.

I agree. The list of things Tulsa can claim is better than OKC is getting shorter and shorter year after year. Two years ago I would have said they had better bar districts but OKC has passed them. Retail is still a dead heat, with Tulsa still getting some highly sought after retailers first and OKC getting others. Within the next few years that will probably move into OKC's camp as well.

The one thing they still do have is concerts/live music. Until OKC gets both a quality venue and promoter, that isn't likely to change. However, it very well could change and most likely eventually well. I hope the new Criterion Concert Hall as well as the Chisolm Creek music venue are the first steps towards making that happen.

Tulsa will always be able to claim natural beauty but it isn't like they are that far ahead there either and it isn't like they are Little Rock or an Appalachian city. There are places in the OKC metro such as east Edmond for instance that are just as green as Tulsa with rolling hills and a dense tree canopy.

[Plutonic Panda]

Nope.

Height of Buildings Act of 1910 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ok so this is what I found

Would it overwhelm the lower-density neighborhood? Was it structurally sound? Would existing fire-fighting equipment be able to reach top floors? Those last two questions were primarily the reason that Congress stepped in in 1899 to establish the Height of Buildings Act. Technology at the time was advancing quickly, but questions remained about the safety of such a tall building. Height limits at the time were fairly common in American cities, including Boston and Chicago.

- DC Mythbusting: The Height Limit! | We Love DC

so because people were worried about whether or not it would be structurally sound and fire engines would've have a latter long enough to reach the top floors. I'm sure that's obsolete now.

[Plutonic Panda]

I agree. The list of things Tulsa can claim is better than OKC is getting shorter and shorter year after year. Two years ago I would have said they had better bar districts but OKC has passed them. Retail is still a dead heat, with Tulsa still getting some highly sought after retailers first and OKC getting others. Within the next few years that will probably move into OKC's camp as well.

The one thing they still do have is concerts/live music. Until OKC gets both a quality venue and promoter, that isn't likely to change. However, it very well could change and most likely eventually well. I hope the new Criterion Concert Hall as well as the Chisolm Creek music venue are the first steps towards making that happen.

Tulsa will always be able to claim natural beauty but it isn't like they are that far ahead there either and it isn't like they are Little Rock or an Appalachian city. There are places in the OKC metro such as east Edmond for instance that are just as green as Tulsa with rolling hills and a dense tree canopy.

I never found Tulsa to have an amazing natural beauty. It has some hills, and that's it. A lot of cities have that. If it had mountains, than yeah, I could see where that could amazing natural scenery. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I can't speak for everyone.

[edcrunk]

I think Tulsa is very beautiful.

[OKCisOK4me]

Tulsa is loads of aesthetic beauty better than OKC!

[Rover]

Parts of Tulsa has natural beauty. Most is like most of OKC. Spend a little time in Broken Arrow and east Tulsa. Edmond kicks its ass.

[Plutonic Panda]

off-topic....

[stlokc]

Good Lord. I get on this thread to see if there's any movement on the project to the west of the Myriad Gardens and the recent posts are inane OKC v. Tulsa rehashes. Enough of that. Please. Enough of that.

[Plutonic Panda]

Good Lord. I get on this thread to see if there's any movement on the project to the west of the Myriad Gardens and the recent posts are inane OKC v. Tulsa rehashes. Enough of that. Please. Enough of that.

There won't be much movement on this until March 2014 which is when construction begins.

BTW, the Tulsa vs. OKC thing will never end. So you should just ignore it if it bothers you. The Dallas vs. Houston rivalry still happens all the time and has been for years and years.

[stlokc]

Well, it seems to me that there's still a lot to be decided since the final approvals haven't been given. But be that as it may, I'd rather see nothing than read the OKC v. Tulsa stuff again. If you're going to have that discussion, then please open another thread. But if we have to have that discussion somewhere, let's at least plow new ground rather than "OKC is ugly," "no, it's not." "Tulsa is beautiful." "I'm tired of Tulsa's elitism." "Tulsa gets national retailers first." "Why can't OKC get some of Tulsa's concerts?" Yawn.

[Plutonic Panda]

Well, it seems to me that there's still a lot to be decided since the final approvals haven't been given. But be that as it may, I'd rather see nothing than read the OKC v. Tulsa stuff again. If you're going to have that discussion, then please open another thread. But if we have to have that discussion somewhere, let's at least plow new ground rather than "OKC is ugly," "no, it's not." "Tulsa is beautiful." "I'm tired of Tulsa's elitism." "Tulsa gets national retailers first." "Why can't OKC get some of Tulsa's concerts?" Yawn.

I hear you and I agree. It's off-topic and sorry I contributed to it. I'll delete my post. I believe I might have accidentally started it and I promise that was not my intent.

As for the OG&E Center, yeah, I was just assuming ClayCo gets it which I believe their timeline was March 2015 to start.

[stlokc]

I don't mean to offend. Good night.

[Plutonic Panda]

I don't mean to offend. Good night.

I'm not offended at all. You are right and I should be more attentive to staying on topic with things.

[Plutonic Panda]

This didn't sound good

10:52 a.m. Steve, was there some doubt that Clayco would build the second residential tower if awarded the south parcel of the Stage Center block? Is there any historical justification for the committees decision?

Steve Lackmeyer 10:53 a.m. What decision? The Urban Renewal Authority wanted two more weeks to study the proposals and ask more questions before choosing a development. As for doubt... let's just say I have a lot more questions myself.

Motley 10:47 a.m. Any concerns at all with the Clayco deal and the delay in approval?

Steve Lackmeyer 10:50 a.m. The more I dig into this, the more I wonder about how fast it's being tracked. This will involve some serious tests of the office and residential market, with leasing rates far higher than anything ever attempted and a big risk potentially to the city as it is asked to provide a significant amount of public money in the form of tax increment financing and other support. Note, we don't know how much money will be sought by Clayco, only that they are preparing to make such a request as this discussion continues

- OKC Central Chat transcript, Nov. 7, 2014 | News OK

[Plutonic Panda]

Though this makes sense

11:24 a.m. Why did Urban Renewal delay their vote on the south of Stage Center proposal until the 14th?

Steve Lackmeyer 11:26 a.m. Because it is a half billion dollar gamble that will displace arts agencies, require an unknown but significant amount of public money and leasing rates that are far above what is charged currently in the market. If things go wrong, will people be demanding to know why "Urban Renewal was so hasty" in its decision?

- OKC Central Chat transcript, Nov. 7, 2014 | News OK

[Spartan]

I agree.



You know, it's not a bad town. It's just not what people from Tulsa think it is. I've been a lot lately for shows and family and it's just really struck me how oversold it is. Combined with the all the changes in Oklahoma City, the superiority complex of some in Tulsa has never seemed so silly and unjustified as it does now.

Tulsa is a great small city, with the great neighborhoods between downtown and 41st Street. The topography is very nice, too. Tulsa underwent an urban development boom in the 80s and 2000s and got over-saturated with Class A space. Midtown is a lot denser than we realize, with a half dozen different nodes. The market isn't as strong and very little development is happening compared to what is happening in OKC at this point.

OKC hasn't fully surpassed the early 80s scale of development activity until now.

[OKCisOK4me]

Tulsa is loads of aesthetic beauty better than OKC!

I damn myself for making me think there was a worthy reason to check this thread for valid information... lol.

[Rover]

Why is Tulsa even relevant to this discussion?

[HOT ROD]

no kidding, can we have a Tulsa thread on its own and leave these to the topic at hand? Good grief.

[OKCRT]

Okc is leaving Tulsa in it's dust. Tulsa needs to be grouped with Little rock, Omaha, Wichitas while OKc is grouped with Memphis,Milwaukee,KC s.

[hoya]

Okc is leaving Tulsa in it's dust. Tulsa needs to be grouped with Little rock, Omaha, Wichitas while OKc is grouped with Memphis,Milwaukee,KC s.

KC Masterpiece is pretty good barbecue sauce. You know, since we are completely off topic and all.

[Spartan]

KC Masterpiece is pretty good barbecue sauce. You know, since we are completely off topic and all.

Not as good as Oklahoma Joe's.

[Plutonic Panda]

Okc is leaving Tulsa in it's dust. Tulsa needs to be grouped with Little rock, Omaha, Wichitas while OKc is grouped with Memphis,Milwaukee,KC s.

Here, I created a thread for this so feel free to jump over there if you want.

http://www.okctalk.com/general-civic...tml#post841415

[Bellaboo]

KC Masterpiece is pretty good barbecue sauce. You know, since we are completely off topic and all.

Not as good as Head Country either.

[OKCRT]

I prefer Head Country myself. Excellent for bottled sauce