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[Plutonic Panda]

Love the News9 comments. They never fail!

Because what downtown OkC needs is more construction....how about we try to finish just ONE project or repair...just one....before starting the next three.

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[ljbab728]

Just spoke Myriad Gardens staff who told me they were not at all concerned about buildings to the west and they viewed any tall structures as "net positives" not only for shading some plant life but also shading the Great Lawn and other areas that get a lot of late afternoon sun during the summers when they have lots of events.

Also said height of buildings really doesn't matter.

They did say buildings to the south (like the proposed CC Hotel) would be a small issue where they would at least like to look at a "shade plan" for some possible minor adjustments.

They said they haven't asked for a shade plan for the buildings to the west and don't intend to. They have not talked to Clayco or anyone else about the shade impact.

This has been discussed here previously on other threads during discussions about possible high rise buildings affecting the Myriad Gardens and their response was exactly what I said previously. This happens around urban parks all over the world with no issues. People need to stop and think about how much actual time a particular area would be in the shade during the day because of a nearby building. It's minimal.

[UnFrSaKn]

Best News9 comment:

Beautiful and balanced Tulsa has it all, kind of like a small Austin. Music, arts, museums, was oil capital of the world, a real riverside,brook side, cherry street and best live music at The Cains Ballroom and BOK.. THE WHOLE PACKAGE! I wish OKC would make it's city more pleasing..

[Plutonic Panda]

That's funny.

[bchris02]

Best News9 comment:

The Tulsa superiority complex really makes me dislike Tulsa.

[Geographer]

I've said it before and I'll say it a thousand times...

Whether 8 stories or 80 stories....You have to get the street-level interaction between the building and public realm correct, especially with the location of this block in proximity to MBG.

I don't care about the height...the first 15' of the building and the space between the building and the street matter much, much more.

[Urbanized]

^^^^^^^
Exactly.

[BDP]

I've said it before and I'll say it a thousand times...

Whether 8 stories or 80 stories....You have to get the street-level interaction between the building and public realm correct, especially with the location of this block in proximity to MBG.

I don't care about the height...the first 15' of the building and the space between the building and the street matter much, much more.

I agree.

The Tulsa superiority complex really makes me dislike Tulsa.

You know, it's not a bad town. It's just not what people from Tulsa think it is. I've been a lot lately for shows and family and it's just really struck me how oversold it is. Combined with the all the changes in Oklahoma City, the superiority complex of some in Tulsa has never seemed so silly and unjustified as it does now.

[soondoc]

I hate how they brag that they have a much more impressive skyline and taller buildings. I've heard that too many times over the years. Sadly, their was really no way to defend it, because it has been much more visually appealing for many years. Hope that changes and OKC gets density, housing, and taller buildings to shut them up. By the way, I was raised a Tulsa boy who hated OKC!

[BDP]

I hate how they brag that they have a much more impressive skyline and taller buildings.

I think that's the deal. Even when Tulsa did have some things on OKC, as a whole it was never much more anything. All of that kind of seems dated now anyways.

[Thundercitizen]

I don't care about the height...the first 15' of the building and the space between the building and the street matter much, much more.

"Quality" density is only one factor...and a good one, but it mattering "much, much more" places far, far too much emphasis on it IMHO. I do care about height. I'll say it a thousand times...height matters. Perception, image, stature, skyline, vertical density aren't much, much less important. Density without height conjures up images of smaller, insignificant old European cities. Density without height (above 15') is uninspiring, monotonous, and causes the community to appear economically challenged.

And Tulsa needs to get over itself. That elitist mentality spills over to so many other areas. It's comical sometimes.

[NWOKCGuy]

"Quality" density is only one factor...and a good one, but it mattering "much, much more" places far, far too much emphasis on it IMHO. I do care about height. I'll say it a thousand times...height matters. Perception, image, stature, skyline, vertical density aren't much, much less important. Density without height conjures up images of smaller, insignificant old European cities. Density without height (above 15') is uninspiring, monotonous, and causes the community to appear economically challenged.

That's absurd. Some of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world actually have height restrictions. DC, Paris, Vancouver, Montreal.

[soondoc]

Read his post. He said density without height of above 15 stories. I promise you the cities you mentioned don't have restrictions for above 15 floors- geesh! You are twisting his words around like you did mine earlier. Take a chill pill, calm down and be proactive and not so reactive.

[Geographer]

Read his post. He said density without height of above 15 stories. I promise you the cities you mentioned don't have restrictions for above 15 floors- geesh! You are twisting his words around like you did mine earlier. Take a chill pill, calm down and be proactive and not so reactive.

For the record, I did not say that buildings should be limited to 15'...I said that the first 15' of a building and its relationship to the public realm matter the most.

[NWOKCGuy]

Read his post. He said density without height of above 15 stories. I promise you the cities you mentioned don't have restrictions for above 15 floors- geesh! You are twisting his words around like you did mine earlier. Take a chill pill, calm down and be proactive and not so reactive.

Actually... DC height restriction is 90 feet resident, 130 feet commercial.

[dankrutka]

Density without height conjures up images of smaller, insignificant old European cities. Density without height (above 15') is uninspiring, monotonous, and causes the community to appear economically challenged.

You mean the cities that people travel to from all over the world to see? Can we also include uninspiring cities like Portland in this category too?

[AP]

Read his post. He said density without height of above 15 stories. I promise you the cities you mentioned don't have restrictions for above 15 floors- geesh! You are twisting his words around like you did mine earlier. Take a chill pill, calm down and be proactive and not so reactive.

That says 15 feet...

[Thundercitizen]

Wow. Yes, 15'. To say height is much, much less important than density or that we shouldn't care about height is what I disagree with. The cities, cited in response, have ample iconic/taller structures...far, far above 15' or 15 stories. Not every building needs to be a Devon Tower.

But we digress (hiding from Pete). The subject site density and height both with seemingly acceptable street interaction, as best one can derive from the concept renderings, looks good.

[BDP]

I think the whole point is that the street interaction is the most important part of an urban development in terms of creating a vibrant urban area that people want to be in. Height alone does not create an urban environment. That isn't to say that it hurts it. It obviously can help, but there have been plenty of examples where the most vertical part of a city is it's least active neighborhood, as well as many very vibrant areas of cities that don't have much over 60 feet. Even in very urban cities, often the downtowns or business districts were just places to work, including in Manhattan. That's changed a lot, but mostly by adding more residences and street level amenities.

So, while height can be a beneficial factor, urban neighborhoods can exist without height. They can't exist with only height. Like most things, a balanced mix is probably best.

[hoya]

I think that's the deal. Even when Tulsa did have some things on OKC, as a whole it was never much more anything. All of that kind of seems dated now anyways.

Historically, Tulsa has been more cosmopolitan and a nicer looking city than OKC. But if you compare them to truly nice looking, cosmopolitan cities, it's like trying to pick which is the prettier ugly stepsister.


Tulsa thinks she's hot.



In the last 10 years, OKC has really surged ahead of Tulsa. And while I don't hold anything against them, nationally you really aren't hearing anything about Tulsa, while OKC is getting a lot of positive press.

[HangryHippo]

Was it ever clarified why the decision regarding the south parcel was put off until the 14th?

[Plutonic Panda]

"Quality" density is only one factor...and a good one, but it mattering "much, much more" places far, far too much emphasis on it IMHO. I do care about height. I'll say it a thousand times...height matters. Perception, image, stature, skyline, vertical density aren't much, much less important. Density without height conjures up images of smaller, insignificant old European cities. Density without height (above 15') is uninspiring, monotonous, and causes the community to appear economically challenged.

And Tulsa needs to get over itself. That elitist mentality spills over to so many other areas. It's comical sometimes.

Agreed

[Plutonic Panda]

Actually... DC height restriction is 90 feet resident, 130 feet commercial.

There's a security reason for that.

[Plutonic Panda]

I think the whole point is that the street interaction is the most important part of an urban development in terms of creating a vibrant urban area that people want to be in. Height alone does not create an urban environment. That isn't to say that it hurts it. It obviously can help, but there have been plenty of examples where the most vertical part of a city is it's least active neighborhood, as well as many very vibrant areas of cities that don't have much over 60 feet. Even in very urban cities, often the downtowns or business districts were just places to work, including in Manhattan. That's changed a lot, but mostly by adding more residences and street level amenities.

So, while height can be a beneficial factor, urban neighborhoods can exist without height. They can't exist with only height. Like most things, a balanced mix is probably best.

I guess that is just personal opinion. U think the most important part of a building is the height and building quality.

[CuatrodeMayo]

There's a security reason for that.

Nope.

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