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[gopokes88]

I actually posted this on another thread but think this applies here. I really love all this new construction but wish we would not limit ourselves to all of them being in the 25 foot range. They provide some density but not much to the skyline from any distance. You will still only see the Devon sticking out like a sore thumb. Actually, it will now look more like a flipped off middle finger! Why not lessen a couple buildings to 18 stories and add a couple to around 35 stories? This would give us a couple of 600 foot jewels that would add so much more to to overall look and feel of downtown. These would be close to as tall as the Williams Towers and would be seen from long distances for every person traveling through our city. I just can't figure out why we are stuck in the 25 floor range when going up by 8-10 would make a huge difference in balancing things out so much more and be soooo much more visually appealing.

I don't want to make anyone upset because I still think this is huge for OKC but once again it shows that we don't always have the go big or go home mentality. We sometimes do things a little less than what we could do on certain projects, except the Devon, which I mentioned dwarfs everything around it. We need something that will not so much surpass Devon but that won't keep it from just looking out of place because that's the most common reaction about our DT buildings. People say the Devon looks great but you don't notice anything around it because that's about all you really see.

Motion to delete any post that complains about the floor count from here forward? This dead horse doesn't need to be beaten anymore.

[soondoc]

I disagree, it is not a complaint. I stated in my point of view that I was pleased with what we are getting but wished for a few more and stated reason for it. I am not bashing, making fun of it, or being disrespectful. I am merely making a case for scaling down some and adding more to others which with out a doubt would have added more to the skyline and made a bigger impact. People are free to agree or disagree, but I don't think making a motion to delete these comments is warranted because you don't personally like my opinion which I feel to be quite accurate and on point. It is true that Tulsa has built higher and didn't seem overly concerned about the extra few floors. You can make your point of view to back up or dispute my post, but you don't have to get them deleted when it is valid and a point of view from my perspective. That is called taking the ball and running home because you don't like it.

[NWOKCGuy]

I disagree, it is not a complaint. I stated in my point of view that I was pleased with what we are getting but wished for a few more and stated reason for it. I am not bashing, making fun of it, or being disrespectful. I am merely making a case for scaling down some and adding more to others which with out a doubt would have added more to the skyline and made a bigger impact. People are free to agree or disagree, but I don't think making a motion to delete these comments is warranted because you don't personally like my opinion which I feel to be quite accurate and on point. It is true that Tulsa has built higher and didn't seem overly concerned about the extra few floors. You can make your point of view to back up or dispute my post, but you don't have to get them deleted when it is valid and a point of view from my perspective. That is called taking the ball and running home because you don't like it.

It's not that your point of view isn't valid but you really are beating it to death in this thread. Do you not think OGE and Clayco would be building taller if it was justified? Why don't you take it to the Mystery Tower thread and speculate on the need for BOK (or whoever is going on Preftakes) to go tall.

[amaesquire]

Wasn't today the meeting?

[gopokes88]

I disagree, it is not a complaint. I stated in my point of view that I was pleased with what we are getting but wished for a few more and stated reason for it. I am not bashing, making fun of it, or being disrespectful. I am merely making a case for scaling down some and adding more to others which with out a doubt would have added more to the skyline and made a bigger impact. People are free to agree or disagree, but I don't think making a motion to delete these comments is warranted because you don't personally like my opinion which I feel to be quite accurate and on point. It is true that Tulsa has built higher and didn't seem overly concerned about the extra few floors. You can make your point of view to back up or dispute my post, but you don't have to get them deleted when it is valid and a point of view from my perspective. That is called taking the ball and running home because you don't like it.

For starters it is up to Clayco not any of us.
Second, this topic of boo hoo it's not high enough has been said over and over and over and then over again. It's getting old. The economics don't support it.
Third, its making the board toxic and annoying beyond belief.

-We aren't limiting ourselves to 25 stories. In fact no one on this board or in the city is, it's Clayco. Push them to far and they might just say screw it we won't build anything.
-This isn't Jenga. You can't just add some floors here and take away some here. I know very little about construction but I know some basics. The taller the building the more costs escalate. IE a 20 story building costing $200 million does not mean a 40 story building will cost $400 million. Since the towers are all very similar it's substantially cheaper to build 4 25 stories then 2 50 stories. Or do you want to make the argument Clayco should invest even more?
-No one is stuck in the 25 floor range. It's what the market currently supports.
-Go big or go home is a stupid cliche and no, I would rather not go home. I will take 4 25 story towers and a half billion dollar investment over nothing.

Devon is its own company building it's own tower. Clayco is a developer. Stop comparing Apples to Oranges. If you want another mega tower I suggest you find a way to get crude back $100 a barrel.

Clayco is fixing to invest HALF A BILLION dollars into downtown OKC for 4 towers. Clayco could buy a small market NBA team and a Gulfstream 550 for that kind of money. It is a tremendous investment on their part. Have you seen the renderings? They are absolutely beautiful. For you to state a whiny opinion that they aren't tall enough is ludicrous.

[soondoc]

Oil will go back up, I think it has been artificially lowered to decrease gas prices for political reasons. Ok, I will be fine with 4 beautiful not so high rises. I still think you missed my point that the residential are the risky ones, the commercial one's not so much. I feel they could add more to those and fill them up without blinking an eye. The residential is a crap shoot and more risky.

[king183]

Wasn't today the meeting?

It's at 3 pm today.

[amaesquire]

Thanks! I was wondering why it was so quiet.

[Snowman]

Oil will go back up, I think it has been artificially lowered to decrease gas prices for political reasons. Ok, I will be fine with 4 beautiful not so high rises. I still think you missed my point that the residential are the risky ones, the commercial one's not so much. I feel they could add more to those and fill them up without blinking an eye. The residential is a crap shoot and more risky.

Though outside of Continental Resources there are not a lot of potential tenants that would be needing more than twenty five stories all to themselves anytime soon, so it is even less risky to do another commercial tower later if the supply by these two and any others built in the interim are absorbed by the market and/or work with CR when they feel they have outgrown their current headquarters and are looking to build.

[Laramie]

Oil will go back up, I think it has been artificially lowered to decrease gas prices for political reasons. Ok, I will be fine with 4 beautiful not so high rises. I still think you missed my point that the residential are the risky ones, the commercial one's not so much. I feel they could add more to those and fill them up without blinking an eye. The residential is a crap shoot and more risky.

The foreign oil countries can take a hit and continue to drive the price of oil down whether we like it or not. They won't make as much profit; however they can impact prices and production.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/oil-prices...7.html#QQRUZuo

[Plutonic Panda]

It's 4:10. I need to know what is going on here. These are exciting times, the opposite of pickle times.

[OKCRT]

I also wish Clayco would bump it up to about 35 stories but it's not gonna happen. But even at 25 these are going to add a great detail to the skyline. Then if we can get a few more in the 35 story range down the road the skyline will really look great. It will happen in time. Lets hope that the Preftakes block gets a 35+ story building. OKC skyline will be changing quite a bit over the next 10 years. Can't hardly wait!

[Rover]

Give us a bunch of 25 story buildings packed into downtown tightly and everyone will be happy, I promise.

[Plutonic Panda]

Downtown Oklahoma City continues to see changes in landscape | KFOR.com

[Plutonic Panda]

Up in the air: Authority delays vote on plans for site by OGE Energy tower | The Journal Record

[OkieNate]

Up in the air: Authority delays vote on plans for site by OGE Energy tower | The Journal Record

How!??!?! Why!?!?!?

[Plutonic Panda]

How!??!?! Why!?!?!?

I have no idea. I don't much about this or what it means, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut for now and let others who know more about it chime in.

In the mean time, maybe Clayco proposed taller buildings

[Dustin]

Up in the air: Authority delays vote on plans for site by OGE Energy tower | The Journal Record

Does everyone on this site except me have a subscription to the Journal Record?

[OkieNate]

Does everyone on this site except me have a subscription to the Journal Record?

I don't, I just reacted to the headline.

[HOT ROD]

the delayed vote doesn't impact the OGE tower, just the south site?

[PhiAlpha]

Oil will go back up, I think it has been artificially lowered to decrease gas prices for political reasons. Ok, I will be fine with 4 beautiful not so high rises. I still think you missed my point that the residential are the risky ones, the commercial one's not so much. I feel they could add more to those and fill them up without blinking an eye. The residential is a crap shoot and more risky.

Off topic, but you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

Having said that, I do think it will go back up. If not next year, it will eventually.

[bchris02]

I'm interested to find out why this vote was delayed. Hopefully it isn't due to a snag with the proposal.

[skanaly]

This also has nothing to do with what is being talked about but I thought I'd post this...I think it's a lot better than the other one I made

[David]

This also has nothing to do with what is being talked about but I thought I'd post this...I think it's a lot better than the other one I made

That is just fantastic.

[OKCRT]

A delay with the vote? Are they insane? Is there a problem here?