Nov 4 tax propositions

[Roger S]

Ok, I went back and reread it. I see what you're saying.

It's the main reason why I said earlier that a temporary sales tax increase to fund it would probably get a yes vote from me but a property tax increase definitely is getting the NO vote from me.

And just for the record.... With the exception of residential streets in Moore.... Yes I regularly drive on most of the streets in Moore between, shopping, recreating, and family visits and with my blogging activity I'm very well travelled around the metro area in general.

[JesStang]

^ A perfect summation of the American voter.

There's a difference between "asking citizens to pay" which would be the case if ODoT funded the project, and asking *homeowners only* to pay for a project that will have no positive effect on 90% of home values in Moore. I have no problem with the former, only the latter in this case. This is opposed to my stance on the Moore Central Park proposition, which instituted a property tax increase that will benefit ALL Moore residents.

^^^ I'm glad someone understood the point. Asking Moore to raise their property taxes so a bridge can be built over I-35 is one of the dumbest things I've heard. The state, ODOT, or even Moore/OKC should be paying for that, IMO.
Using tax money to fix roads and beautify the town is way different than a highway bridge (with no ramps even).

[SoonerVIC]

Since ODOT has repeatedly turned Moore down on funding this project, it's not worth adding +/- $2 a month to your house payment to help ourselves out to alleviate the traffic congestion on 19th street?

[Easy180]

Since ODOT has repeatedly turned Moore down on funding this project, it's not worth adding +/- $2 a month to your house payment to help ourselves out to alleviate the traffic congestion on 19th street?

For the price of a McDonalds lunch once a month you can get a bridge over I35 and have another way to avoid 19th. Should be an easy answer.

[mblues]

Well if it were just the price of a Mac lunch that would be one thing, but if you have a larger house this cost is more significant. Additionally, this is not the first thing to hit property taxes recently, there have been several like one for other major road improvements, fire and safety and parks. We are also hearing that there will be another one to fund the fourth street underpass at the RR crossing. When all of these are added together it adds quite a bit to the tax burden AND we won't even have access to I-35 at 34th street when all is said and done.

I haven't decided yet on how I will vote, but Taxing ourselves to much higher levels may not be the right answer.

[s00nr1]

$68 increase per $100,000 of assessed property value.

!= $2/month.

Property tax increases should be saved for community-wide initiatives, such as school improvements and parks. Think for a second how far $15M would go when used for improvements to existing schools across Moore. This particular project is designed specifically to benefit only a small fraction of the community - businesses, and specifically only businesses on the southern-most section of Moore.

City leaders got themselves into this mess by allowing 19th to be developed and designed the way it has been. They need to figure a way out of it that takes more thought and hard work than just dropping another tax increase on Moore homeowners.

[s00nr1]

For the price of a McDonalds lunch once a month you can get a bridge over I35 and have another way to avoid 19th. Should be an easy answer.

This bridge does not provide the most beneficial method of avoiding 19th -- access to and exit from I-35. For me, as a homeowner on east 4th, it would have ZERO positive effect.

[94GTStang]

This bridge does not provide the most beneficial method of avoiding 19th -- access to and exit from I-35. For me, as a homeowner on east 4th, it would have ZERO positive effect.

So true.

I'm surprised that the underpass on 4th didn't get any vote especially with the new park going in

[Easy180]

This bridge does not provide the most beneficial method of avoiding 19th -- access to and exit from I-35. For me, as a homeowner on east 4th, it would have ZERO positive effect.

Well don't let me find your car over at Alfredo's then lol

[Easy180]

$68 increase per $100,000 of assessed property value.

!= $2/month.

Property tax increases should be saved for community-wide initiatives, such as school improvements and parks. Think for a second how far $15M would go when used for improvements to existing schools across Moore. This particular project is designed specifically to benefit only a small fraction of the community - businesses, and specifically only businesses on the southern-most section of Moore.

City leaders got themselves into this mess by allowing 19th to be developed and designed the way it has been. They need to figure a way out of it that takes more thought and hard work than just dropping another tax increase on Moore homeowners.

They aren't dropping anything other than a line item on a ballot

[s00nr1]

They aren't dropping anything other than a line item on a ballot

I think you're smarter than that when it comes to a city council trying to push through a proposition like this.

[s00nr1]

Well don't let me find your car over at Alfredo's then lol

4th to Telephone to 25th to Alfredo's. As I always have.

[sharpshooter]

Just described me lol. Will be payback for all the MAPS projects Moore folks get the benefit of ha ha

My guess is it will pass easily

I'd like to hear more about this. Just exactly what benefits am I, as a Moore resident, getting from MAPS. As I understand it, most of the MAPS projects are located near downtown OKC.

[Jeepnokc]

I'd like to hear more about this. Just exactly what benefits am I, as a Moore resident, getting from MAPS. As I understand it, most of the MAPS projects are located near downtown OKC.

Although the projects have been in OKC, they benefit the entire metro area unless you have never been to Bricktown to shop or eat, never been to the arena, never watched the Thunder, haven't been to the ball park, never been to the boathouse district, haven't gone to the civic center or the fairgrounds, etc. (and if you have been to these, than you probably spent money in OKC which helped pay for it)

[sharpshooter]

In the last week I've seen many signs spring up saying Vote Yes for the 34th street bridge. Is the City behind this effort? I thought the Mayor and council members were staying neutral on this one since they just recently pushed for passage of a tax increase to fund the new park.

[s00nr1]

In the last week I've seen many signs spring up saying Vote Yes for the 34th street bridge. Is the City behind this effort? I thought the Mayor and council members were staying neutral on this one since they just recently pushed for passage of a tax increase to fund the new park.

Have a hunch this is the work of the Moore Chamber of Commerce backed by developers who have done their best to try to deceive uninformed voters.

[Easy180]

No deceit necessary for those of us living around 19th -34th. The Moore Chamber should support it since it would benefit about 60% of all businesses in Moore and all of the big time ones.

[yunome12@yahoo.com]

VOTE NO! Not our job to pay for a bridge. As Americans we are taxed to death...VOTE NO! The more we continue to give into new taxes, the more they will keep coming back.

[Roger S]

Starting to look like I won't be able to vote at all..... Sent off my updated info to the Voter Registration Board two months ago and still have nothing back from them.

Was probably one of the Big Two party members processing my info and saw I'm a Libertarian and they "accidentally" lost my card.

[Zuplar]

Starting to look like I won't be able to vote at all..... Sent off my updated info to the Voter Registration Board two months ago and still have nothing back from them.

Was probably one of the Big Two party members processing my info and saw I'm a Libertarian and they "accidentally" lost my card.

You can register has a Libertarian? I thought it was only GOP, Dem or Independent.

[Roger S]

You can register has a Libertarian? I thought it was only GOP, Dem or Independent.

The form has 4 check boxes now... Democratic - Republican - No Party - Other

The instructions say that if you write a party other than Democrat or Republican you will be registered as Independent

[Zuplar]

The form has 4 check boxes now... Democratic - Republican - No Party - Other

The instructions say that if you write a party other than Democrat or Republican you will be registered as Independent

Gotcha, so realistically, you can't register as a Libertarian. Only reason I stay registered as a Democrat is so I can vote in primary's. If anything I'm probably more Republican, but I always thought it was a good strategy to vote for the best worst case scenario.

[Easy180]

VOTE NO! Not our job to pay for a bridge. As Americans we are taxed to death...VOTE NO! The more we continue to give into new taxes, the more they will keep coming back.

It is when the Feds won't pay for it

[Roger S]

Gotcha, so realistically, you can't register as a Libertarian.

Nope, not realistically. Only defiantly.

[s00nr1]

No deceit necessary for those of us living around 19th -34th. The Moore Chamber should support it since it would benefit about 60% of all businesses in Moore and all of the big time ones.

Exactly -- for the whole 10% of the community this will benefit, 100% of the community will have to pick up the cost. As opposed, to say, the $15 million going toward Moore schools which would subsequently benefit all of Moore (and have a greater positive impact on property values).

A property tax on all homeowners to benefit a select few as a result of developer influence is an irresponsible use of taxation. Plain and simple.