Ebola virus

[Paseofreak]

^^^^^^Thank you!^^^^^^

[bchris02]

The thing is, whenever a truly dangerous epidemic happens nobody is going to take the hype seriously because of the sensationalism that has been done time and time again in cases such as Ebola, H1N1, Bird Flu, etc.

[Swake]

The thing is, whenever a truly dangerous epidemic happens nobody is going to take the hype seriously because of the sensationalism that has been done time and time again in cases such as Ebola, H1N1, Bird Flu, etc.

The fact is we got lucky with H1N1, it didn't turn out to be very deadly in humans. Bird Flu is a big danger if it jumps to humans. We worry about all the wrong things.

[Bunty]

600,000 die in this country every year from heart disease...where is the outrage over that?

Yes ebola is scary and has killed a few thousand as well, but the hype the media is going into is overdone. No need to start getting people worked up in a panic

The five biggest lies about Ebola being pushed by government and mass media - NaturalNews.com

http://www.infowars.com/the-shocking...red-for-ebola/

[Plutonic Panda]

The fact is we got lucky with H1N1, it didn't turn out to be very deadly in humans. Bird Flu is a big danger if it jumps to humans. We worry about all the wrong things.

it has jumped to humans before, hasn't it?

[ctchandler]

Swake,
I'm sure your post wasn't directed at me because as I said, there's no reason for panic. But I would suggest you listen to CBS and ABC news (I haven't watched NBC recently, so I don't know what they are saying, but is not just right wing, Fox and the others you mentioned. People want to know so most media is reporting it. Regardless of the impact in our country, the amount of deaths although small in comparison to the other problems in Africa (see post 65 by Bchris02) does cause concern. I do think the media in general does go a little overboard in the amount of time devoted to the subject.
C. T.

Stop with the panic and outrage. It's ridiculous.
If you listened to right wing radio and Newscorp non-news machine you'd think that the world is ending and it's all Obama's fault when so far there is exactly ONE case of Ebola and it keeps not spreading.
Fox/Newscorp/Rush/Clear Channel are all lying to you. They are spreading fear because it makes them money. Quit being so damn gullible.

[Swake]

it has jumped to humans before, hasn't it?

H5N1 has and is very lethal, but it hasn't spread as easily in humans as it does in birds, yet. Human infections are rare and mostly from contact with infected birds as opposed to human to human spreading. The Flu virus evolves very quickly so that could change.

You know, that whole "fake" evolution thingy. Maybe we should ignore it all then.

[Swake]

Swake,
I'm sure your post wasn't directed at me because as I said, there's no reason for panic. But I would suggest you listen to CBS and ABC news (I haven't watched NBC recently, so I don't know what they are saying, but is not just right wing, Fox and the others you mentioned. People want to know so most media is reporting it. Regardless of the impact in our country, the amount of deaths although small in comparison to the other problems in Africa (see post 65 by Bchris02) does cause concern. I do think the media in general does go a little overboard in the amount of time devoted to the subject.
C. T.

Everyone is reporting it, but there certainly is a difference in tone.

[Plutonic Panda]

H5N1 has and is very lethal, but it hasn't spread as easily in humans as it does in birds, yet. Human infections are rare and mostly from contact with infected birds as opposed to human to human spreading. The Flu virus evolves very quickly so that could change.

You know, that whole "fake" evolution thingy. Maybe we should ignore it all then.

yeah that couldn't be because there is no proof evolution exists!!! LOL

I heard a bad possibility if Ebola mutates, but I don't known the chances of it happening. You seem to know your stuff on this issue so I didn't know if you heard anything about it.

I do think the media is hyping this way over what they should be. Mass panic is one of the worst things people can cause and it really should be taken seriously when they do that.

[Swake]

It's not hard to be informed, go read real news articles, check them against what the CDC is posting. Avoid the hot air machine.

[Plutonic Panda]

Well, tbh I don't really watch the news at all. I watch AL Jazeera and keep up with BBC, but beyond that, I, I usually just keep and eye on the local news strictly for new development that is going to happen in the city

[silvergrove]

yeah that couldn't be because there is no proof evolution exists!!! LOL

I heard a bad possibility if Ebola mutates, but I don't known the chances of it happening. You seem to know your stuff on this issue so I didn't know if you heard anything about it.

I do think the media is hyping this way over what they should be. Mass panic is one of the worst things people can cause and it really should be taken seriously when they do that.

The chance of the Ebola virus recombining with influenza or some other airborne viral disease is extremely low. I think your odds of winning the lottery is better. Many genetic barriers to recombination exist and even if it does recombine, it may not even be a viable or produce functional viral particles.

It has been done in the laboratory before but only in under controlled conditions, using stripped viral parts (missing the parts that makes it "bad"), and enriched for the chances that it will recombine. Naturally, I think it would be very hard.

[PennyQuilts]

Stop with the panic and outrage. It's ridiculous.

So far the mortality rate in the US is zero. No one that has been taken out of Africa and cared for with western Medicine has died. This is a dangerous disease we should take seriously, but it's not a larger danger in an advanced country with high sanitation levels and modern healthcare. Those American healthcare workers that The Toupee and Fox wanted kept out of the US because they were going to spread the disease and kill us all? All have been cured and no one else was infected

You aren't contagious until you show symptoms and then you are ether dead or better in a week or so. The Incubation period is up to 21 days, but in this outbreak in Africa it's only been 4-6 days and the man in Dallas was sick after 9 days. It's been ten days since this guy became contagious, why isn't there a massive outbreak yet? Where are the other sick people, shouldn't SOMEONE have gotten sick yet? The simple fact is that it's not that contagious.


If you listened to right wing radio and Newscorp non-news machine you'd think that the world is ending and it's all Obama's fault when so far there is exactly ONE case of Ebola and it keeps not spreading.

Flu is far more dangerous than Ebola. 36,000 people die from Flu every year in the United States. New more deadly flu strains that jump species that we don’t have inoculations for are a huge health concern. The Spanish Flu killed 675,000 Americans in 1918, another Flu outbreak in the late 50s killed almost 70,000 people. Swine flu jumped to humans in 2010 but didn’t turn out to be a deadly strain in humans. A bad flu epidemic today could kill hundreds of thousands or even millions of Americans before we are able to develop inoculations.

Fox/Newscorp/Rush/Clear Channel are all lying to you. They are spreading fear because it makes them money. Quit being so damn gullible.

Why you feel the need to talk down to us is puzzling. Here's the deal: We aren't yet to the point where we are past the incubation period for exposure. God willing, no one gets sick. Beyond that, until we are past the incubation period, we have no real idea if this has been stopped. All the steps to contain mean nothing if people have the disease and aren't within the observation of the CDC. I am getting rather annoyed at the authorities attempting to shame us into submission by arguing that people exposed but still early in the incubation period haven't come down with the disease. That insults our intelligence. They may well remain well but the fact that they haven't gotten sick, YET, means nothing.

[PennyQuilts]

It's not hard to be informed, go read real news articles, check them against what the CDC is posting. Avoid the hot air machine.

Could you be more insulting?

[Plutonic Panda]

The chance of the Ebola virus recombining with influenza or some other airborne viral disease is extremely low. I think your odds of winning the lottery is better. Many genetic barriers to recombination exist and even if it does recombine, it may not even be a viable or produce functional viral particles.

It has been done in the laboratory before but only in under controlled conditions, using stripped viral parts (missing the parts that makes it "bad"), and enriched for the chances that it will recombine. Naturally, I think it would be very hard.

I understand, thanks for the response. Good to know there is little chance of it happening.

[Plutonic Panda]

Why you feel the need to talk down to us is puzzling. Here's the deal: We aren't yet to the point where we are past the incubation period for exposure. God willing, no one gets sick. Beyond that, until we are past the incubation period, we have no real idea if this has been stopped. All the steps to contain mean nothing if people have the disease and aren't within the observation of the CDC. I am getting rather annoyed at the authorities attempting to shame us into submission by arguing that people exposed but still early in the incubation period haven't come down with the disease. That insults our intelligence. They may well remain well but the fact that they haven't gotten sick, YET, means nothing.

I believe there is a homeless man who has had contact with the individual who has Ebola and he has not been found yet.

[Swake]

Why you feel the need to talk down to us is puzzling. Here's the deal: We aren't yet to the point where we are past the incubation period for exposure. God willing, no one gets sick. Beyond that, until we are past the incubation period, we have no real idea if this has been stopped. All the steps to contain mean nothing if people have the disease and aren't within the observation of the CDC. I am getting rather annoyed at the authorities attempting to shame us into submission by arguing that people exposed but still early in the incubation period haven't come down with the disease. That insults our intelligence. They may well remain well but the fact that they haven't gotten sick, YET, means nothing.

Keep spreading the fear, but just on the chance you are wrong why don't you check back in a week and see where we are?

As of right now the Dallas Ebola victim has been in the hospital for 9 days and first developed symptoms and became infectious 13 days ago. But no one he came in contact with has developed any symptoms to this point. The incubation period for Ebola is from 2 days to a maximum of 21 days, but the average is 8-10 days and this outbreak has been even faster at only 4-6 days. After 21 days a patient is considered to be safe from developing any illness. The patient in Dallas developed symptoms after 9 days.

The 13 days since he became infectious is well past the average incubation period. It’s not that no one will still become sick, but it’s getting pretty unlikely and less likely as each day passes. Even if someone does become ill, the chances of them passing the illness on to a third person is just about zero at this point. There is no outbreak of Ebola in the United States.

[Swake]

Could you be more insulting?

Certainly I could be, but I wasn’t insulting Panda. Maybe you need a thicker skin. Or is saying that too insulting?

[Swake]

I believe there is a homeless man who has had contact with the individual who has Ebola and he has not been found yet.

He was actually the ambulance's transport after the Ebola victim. They have found him.

[Plutonic Panda]

He was actually the ambulance's transport after the Ebola victim. They have found him.

That's good to hear. Glad to know they are taking it serious as they should and would be expected. Hopefully this will all clear out really soon.

[Swake]

That's good to hear. Glad to know they are taking it serious as they should and would be expected. Hopefully this will all clear out really soon.

Hopefully it will.

For all those want to ban travel from Africa, it's interesting to note that the guy in Dallas was on a flight from Belgium to DC.

[Plutonic Panda]

Hopefully it will.

For all those want to ban travel from Africa, it's interesting to note that the guy in Dallas was on a flight from Belgium to DC.

Yeah I'm not sure a travel ban would do much good. You can just go to a connecting country and fly out from there.

[silvergrove]

Why you feel the need to talk down to us is puzzling. Here's the deal: We aren't yet to the point where we are past the incubation period for exposure. God willing, no one gets sick. Beyond that, until we are past the incubation period, we have no real idea if this has been stopped. All the steps to contain mean nothing if people have the disease and aren't within the observation of the CDC. I am getting rather annoyed at the authorities attempting to shame us into submission by arguing that people exposed but still early in the incubation period haven't come down with the disease. That insults our intelligence. They may well remain well but the fact that they haven't gotten sick, YET, means nothing.

All I can say is anyone who came into direct contact with this individual will be quarantined and monitored during the incubation period. They'll have epidemiologists and other professionals interviewing the individual on his whereabouts and contact those who came in contact. It may take some time to find everyone but from what I understand, I believe Ebola is contagious when an individual presents symptoms.

I'm not too worried about it still. I'm still more concerned about people traveling to and from afflicted areas but I don't believe the FAA or CDC will restrict travel as of yet. It's a rather difficult situation because people will lie if they're afraid. Really the best situation is to contain the outbreak at the source, restricting travel simply ignores the problem.

[PennyQuilts]

All I can say is anyone who came into direct contact with this individual will be quarantined and monitored during the incubation period. They'll have epidemiologists and other professionals interviewing the individual on his whereabouts and contact those who came in contact. It may take some time to find everyone but from what I understand, I believe Ebola is contagious when an individual presents symptoms.

I'm not too worried about it still.

I get that. What aggravates me are the people who chant, "there is nothing to fear, there is nothing to fear, there is nothing to fear, and anyone who is worried is stupid," and who pretend undiagnosed or untreated people are within the protections the CDC offers. Those same people seem to be incapable of recognizing that expressing concern is not the same thing as spreading fear. We all accept that sick patients will be cared for and medical workers will take measures to control the spead of the disease. However, when they make the argument that people who are still within the incubation period are not displaying symptoms somehow means the CDC has things under control, they sound either idiotic, or like they are trying to sell something to people who won't notice the obvious.

[RadicalModerate]

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600,000 die in this country every year from heart disease...where is the outrage over that?

Yes ebola is scary and has killed a few thousand as well, but the hype the media is going into is overdone. No need to start getting people worked up in a panic.

I'm sure glad that Mike Morgan is sticking to the Weather Forecast. =)
I wonder what the stats will be on "Stress Related Heart Disease Deaths due to Media Induced Fear of Ebola" . . . Hopefully, the death count will be acceptable. To someone.

Surely there are at least a few people who have a natural immunity to this virus.
In any case--I have absolutely NO CONTROL OR INFLUENCE WHATSOEVER over the situation.
So I choose not to worry about it.
And, I suppose, that is a stupid response.
To events completely outside
Of the abovementioned
circles of concern
and influence.
=)

Edited to Add:

well . . . "Fear" . . . and EBOLA.