Scotland to Vote for its Independence

[Plutonic Panda]

This is interesting and possibly big news for the area.

In a race that is now considered too close to call, Scotland will soon decide whether to remain part of the U.K. or become the world's 196th country. What would that mean for the Scots and the rest of the U.K.? Here are a few charts to help break it down.



- Scotland's Vote for Independence: By the Numbers

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[Martin]

the blue in uk flag represents scotland... i wonder if it will be altered if the referendum passes? -M

[kelroy55]

If they do vote to leave I think it will harm them a great deal, a case of becareful of what you ask for.

[AP]

I think the yes vote is likely to pass. I would be surprised if it didn't

[Jersey Boss]

I wonder if we will ever get that kind of freedom in the USA?

[AP]

I'm not sure it really applies...

[Jersey Boss]

I'm not sure it really applies...

How so or how not? It's really about people that believe local governing is more apropos that an entity miles away. It's about the right of self determination.

[kelroy55]

I wonder if we will ever get that kind of freedom in the USA?

You're free to leave aren't you?

[jerrywall]

I think the yes vote is likely to pass. I would be surprised if it didn't

See, I've been guessing the opposite. I guess we'll find out soon though.

[kelroy55]

How so or how not? It's really about people that believe local governing is more apropos that an entity miles away. It's about the right of self determination.

Are you advocating that local governments break away from the state or the feds? Form their own autonomous country?

[Zuplar]

Part of me wants them to be free, but then I'm kind of under the sense they may end up being worse off. I do think that if they adopt the Euro and join the EU, (stay in the EU?, I know there is some question on what it would be), that they have a chance, more so than say 100 years ago. On the other side of the table, this could really hurt what's left of the UK (England pretty much), especially if they take the majority of the oil.

Personally I think it's going to barely fail.

[Jersey Boss]

You're free to leave aren't you?

The topic and my post is not about the freedom of migration, immigration or emigration.

[Jersey Boss]

Are you advocating that local governments break away from the state or the feds? Form their own autonomous country?

What I'm advocating is that people in this country should be able to determine what is best for them in the present, not what was good for the populace 100-200 years ago. I am advocating that a mechanism should be in place for a state to be able to peacefully withdraw from the union and either align with an existing country or become an independent entity on its own or with other like minded states. As far as local governments I believe in the "home rule" system where local governments can enact their own policies on minimum wage and the such without the hand of the state house restricting what a local government can do in the way of minimum wages, stricter smoking regs, etc.

[kelroy55]

The topic and my post is not about the freedom of migration, immigration or emigration.

Sorry for coming off snarky on that one

[kelroy55]

What I'm advocating is that people in this country should be able to determine what is best for them in the present, not what was good for the populace 100-200 years ago. I am advocating that a mechanism should be in place for a state to be able to peacefully withdraw from the union and either align with an existing country or become an independent entity on its own or with other like minded states. As far as local governments I believe in the "home rule" system where local governments can enact their own policies on minimum wage and the such without the hand of the state house restricting what a local government can do in the way of minimum wages, stricter smoking regs, etc.

If a state did that what country would you align with? Do you think the US would allow a state to align with Russia, China or N Korea? England may be looking for some new land soon. Would this newly independent state(s) be ably to support it's self and infrastructure without the help of the feds?

[zookeeper]

Here is the "yes" 2:40 spot mandated to be run free X number of times (both sides equally, of course) by Scottish media leading up to Thursday's referendum.

[Jersey Boss]

If a state did that what country would you align with? Do you think the US would allow a state to align with Russia, China or N Korea? England may be looking for some new land soon. Would this newly independent state(s) be ably to support it's self and infrastructure without the help of the feds?

Question1- I am not currently shopping. Question 2- Do you think a US state would be in favor of aligning with Russia, China, or N. Korea? Especially if it was leaving due to policies not compatible with the values of the populace. I am guessing their might be a state or two that would favor alignment with another country but more likely would be in favor of alignment with a regional state. Question 3- It depends on the state. But then again with the global economy, what country is able to support itself w/o the help of trade? No country is totally independent of world trade.

[Teo9969]

How so or how not? It's really about people that believe local governing is more apropos that an entity miles away. It's about the right of self determination.

Because Scotland was an organized country for centuries before it became part of the UK. No part of the US was an organized country until the 1700s and every state that has joined the union is experiencing their first time under organized government control.

[Teo9969]

Here is the "yes" 2:40 spot mandated to be run free X number of times (both sides equally, of course) by Scottish media leading up to Thursday's referendum.

Bet she's got at least 1 American parent…amazing how non-Scottish she sounds.

[zookeeper]

Bet she's got at least 1 American parent…amazing how non-Scottish she sounds.

I think the site linked below might explain that. There is no single "Scottish dialect," there are four, each with sub-dialects. I would imagine the campaign for independence would get the dialect right as to what would be accepted by the Scots themselves nationwide.
Scots Language - The Main Dialects of Scots

[Mel]

The important question is will Scotch still be exported.

[Zuplar]

[Teo9969]

I think the site linked below might explain that. There is no single "Scottish dialect," there are four, each with sub-dialects. I would imagine the campaign for independence would get the dialect right as to what would be accepted by the Scots themselves nationwide.
Scots Language - The Main Dialects of Scots

No no…she's not particularly close... Her schwas and non rolled-rs are the biggest give aways, But she speaks super closed and most of her vowels lean toward or are entirely on the left side of the pond. Go through and listen to those links on that website. There are good few of those that sound like a foreign language.

Don't get me wrong, you can tell she's scottish, but you would only have to modify 20% or less of what she says to get it sound 100% American.

[Jersey Boss]

Because Scotland was an organized country for centuries before it became part of the UK. No part of the US was an organized country until the 1700s and every state that has joined the union is experiencing their first time under organized government control.

You might want to read up on Hawaii. I also think the Republic of Texas had an organized government exerting control prior to statehood.