OG&E Tower

[mugofbeer]

OK.guys. I was kidding.

[Urbanized]

LOL internets

[BrettM2]

just the facts, if that hurts so be it. tell me what does DT OKC have to make any Texas city or KC jealous? smaller cities than OKC have more impressive DTs.

Never said this was that project (Steve even said it was Lower Bricktown, so yeah...). I was commenting on your constant negativity. If you don't think any of this will happen or only will believe it when it does, perhaps it is time to take a break from these posts. Save yourself from being constantly disappointed.

[Steve]

I'm going to put this to rest. As I mentioned at Confluence, I regret ever saying the Dallas & Kansas City quip. This will be a big deal if it happens (I've never said it would be in Lower Bricktown). But there are clearly voices in the community who will have expectations impossible to satisfy and their definition of what might make Kansas City and Dallas jealous will be different (I suspect it would involve a Galleria style mall, five skyscrapers and a Hard Rock Cafe). I've promised I will let folks know when this happens that it was what I was referring to, and if it falls apart, I'll spill the beans then as well. I'm out.

[Spartan]

I'm going to put this to rest. As I mentioned at Confluence, I regret ever saying the Dallas & Kansas City quip. This will be a big deal if it happens (I've never said it would be in Lower Bricktown). But there are clearly voices in the community who will have expectations impossible to satisfy and their definition of what might make Kansas City and Dallas jealous will be different (I suspect it would involve a Galleria style mall, five skyscrapers and a Hard Rock Cafe). I've promised I will let folks know when this happens that it was what I was referring to, and if it falls apart, I'll spill the beans then as well. I'm out.

Valuable clarification.

Just on my part as well, let me make it clear that my jokes about the mystery tower phenomenon aren't blaming Pete or Steve but rather the faction amongst us that thrives on speculation and rumors (sometimes including myself)

[David]

Thanks for the clarification, Steve.

[bchris02]

I'm going to put this to rest. As I mentioned at Confluence, I regret ever saying the Dallas & Kansas City quip. This will be a big deal if it happens (I've never said it would be in Lower Bricktown). But there are clearly voices in the community who will have expectations impossible to satisfy and their definition of what might make Kansas City and Dallas jealous will be different (I suspect it would involve a Galleria style mall, five skyscrapers and a Hard Rock Cafe). I've promised I will let folks know when this happens that it was what I was referring to, and if it falls apart, I'll spill the beans then as well. I'm out.

Is your usage of "this" referring to this Stage Center Tower project or is it whatever else is yet to be announced that you originally hinted would make KC/Dallas jealous?

And yes, when you say something may make Dallas, a world class cosmopolitan city, jealous, that sets the bar pretty high. It would be easier to satisfy expectations if you would have said KC and Louisville or Nashville for instance rather than Dallas.

[5alive]

Please let it go. Steve said he regretted saying Dallas and Kansas City...and he said he will let us know one way or the other.

[dcsooner]

Is your usage of "this" referring to this Stage Center Tower project or is it whatever else is yet to be announced that you originally hinted would make KC/Dallas jealous?

And yes, when you say something may make Dallas, a world class cosmopolitan city, jealous, that sets the bar pretty high. It would be easier to satisfy expectations if you would have said KC and Louisville or Nashville for instance rather than Dallas.

Exactly!

[David]

Oh lordy guys, let it go!

[BrettM2]

Steve, just wanted to clarify that I was mistaken on the Lower Bricktown claim. I was confusing several comments and attributed them to you.

[Rover]

Who cares if ANYONE is jealous. That is not bar. The bar is if it is something appropriate, meaningful, financially possible, and pushes us forwarded to help grow the city in a dynamic way. It needs to be competitive with facilities available to others in cities and in industries with whom we are competing for citizens and workers.

OKC is starting from too far back to dream of being a world leading city. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't aspire to have facilities that would be considered good in world leading cities. And, size of facility isn't the criteria...we can't win that battle. We just need to recognize and support what quality design and construction is and build a sustainable city suitable for our citizens.

[Bellaboo]

LOL.. who cares who is a world class city of who is or isn't Jelous.. we aren't NYC or even Dallas.. but what we are is growing and being a much better city than we once were.. now about that OG&E tower.

Guess we'll have some clarity after Oct 6 when the RFP's are released. Less than a month now.

[Pete]

The source of the graphic Steve posted showing the taller buildings was not Clayco or any other potential developer.

It was merely a heavily cropped image of a broad, long-term concept by Populous, who was commissioned by the City to come up with newly released Convention Center District Concept Plan, with the stated goals:

• Identify the most viable sites for private development relating to and integrating to the convention center and hotel facilities
• Define the recommended character of the district to facilitate its function as “center for conventions”, weaving the project into the existing urban framework
• Create a unified pedestrian experience, connecting each primary hug of activity and linking the many assets of downtown Oklahoma City

[bchris02]

Scenario 01 looks more realistic from what we actually know. While it won't be near as impressive of a skyline change, if it played out like that it could be amazing from a ground perspective. I really like what they did with the Cox site. Plus, there is still the Main/Hudson tower that should help balance the skyline. I am going to remain optimistic until we see what Clayco is really proposing.

[CuatrodeMayo]

These graphics show the immense missed opportunity to connect the MBG and the Central Park.

[warreng88]

I understand these are just graphics, but I really hope we see something taller on the CCC site, at least one taller tower like the second graphic. Of course, we won't even begin anything on the new convention center until 2016 and I would put it at 2020 or so before it is finished. They aren't going to tear down the CCC before then. So, a solid five year to speculate...

[Pete]

I moved a bunch of posts to here:

http://www.okctalk.com/current-event...ss-cities.html

[Pete]

Here are some more perspectives from that Populous study:

[G.Walker]

From Steve:

About That Site Plan.... | News OK

[bchris02]

From Steve:

About That Site Plan.... | News OK

I am guessing that was a direct response to what was posted here.

[Plutonic Panda]

Let's hope scenario two happens. That would be a game changer for the entire city.

[ChrisHayes]

Scenario 2 would double the size of downtown

[Plutonic Panda]

Yes and scenario two isn't all that unrealistic. That is very exciting!

[Steve]

I was wrong in posting what I did. My post update will be online shortly. A much needed vacation starts Thursday.