River Grandstand

[Paseofreak]

Unbelievable! Pete???

[jccouger]

10:35
Yes. People are already talking about spectators preferring to sit in the grass along the river instead of a hot grandstand. So I suspect the grandstands could end up dead. And they've already put off the wind screens pending completion of the white water center.

Hot Grandstand? The renderings shows a very large canopy. Being in the grandstand will provide the most shade & coolest temperatures along the entire river. As well as having the best view of whatever event you come to see. It also would increase capacity, for events which would help bring in more $ & grandstands normally has built in concessions. By increasing comfort at these events will increase quality of life (the reason we have maps) . The grandstand will also bring life to the south side of the river, which is very important.

Cutting the grandstands would be a horrible idea.

[BrettM2]

Oh, I had almost forgotten the other guy I wish Pete would ban.

You forget that he's so much smarter than us. That's why he posts here... he gets things done because Mayor Cornett and Gov. Fallon read all his posts before making any decisions.

[RadicalModerate]

I actually think just lining the hill with concrete slabs (like in front of the Finish Line Tower) would look better and make more sense. Again, this grandstand is going to be needed very few days in a year. Building seats into the hill would look good, be cheap, and meet the needs of events on the river.

I hope this isn't off-topic, but gabions almost always look more aesthetic and natural than concrete slabs.

Edited to Add: It just occurred to me that a lot of the concrete debris from Stage Center could be used in the construction of the aforementioned gabions rather than winding up in a landfill. It would be a good example of recycling/repurposing/steampunk/etc. If designed properly, in an ergonomic manner, the arrangement of the gabions could be multi-tasked as seating.

[soonerguru]

you forget that's he so much smarter than us. That's why he posts here... He gets things done because mayor cornett and gov. Fallon read all his posts begore making any decisions.

[Plutonic Panda]

Urb, I will do whatever it takes to make sure the Grandstand does not get cut. I will promise you that. Anytime we build projects on the cheap, we lose. Period! Quit spending out of your own pockets.

I will say many of you get too caught up in the "sand box" dialogue and lose sight on the big picture. That is where I come in. ....the adults taking the keys away from the teenagers.

I agree with you on this. I hope the grandstand doesn't get cut either. If it comes down to it, like others said, I'd rather see the whitewater course finished of the best build quality money can buy, I don't want to half ass this, but MAPS 3 should either be extended or a new sales tax added to make up for the projects that were cut.

[Plutonic Panda]

Oh, I had almost forgotten the other guy I wish Pete would ban.

Why is that? Are we just going to ban people you don't want to see or disagree with? I can understand Bchris being banned, but you want to ban someone who, from what I've seen, nearly has every post about positive things about the city and what he wants to see done? Instead of negative criticism, he just posts things he would like to see. Goddamn man, are you guys going to come after me next for posting about wanting bigger highways???

David, I'm not trying to be hostile or argumentative with you, I'm just saying.

[BrettM2]

Why is that? Are we just going to ban people you don't want to see or disagree with? I can understand Bchris being banned, but you want to ban someone who, from what I've seen, nearly has every post about positive things about the city and what he wants to see done? Instead of negative criticism, he just posts things he would like to see. Goddamn man, are you guys going to come after me next for posting about wanting bigger highways???

David, I'm not trying to be hostile or argumentative with you, I'm just saying.

Every one of his posts puts down Oklahomans in general, and posters here specifically, as ignorant people incapable of seeing his brilliance or doing anything positive/worthwhile to make OKC better. Not sure how that fits your profile of him.

[Laramie]

Continue the MAPS momentum; do whatever it takes to get these projects finished (extension, MAPS IV). You don't want to tarnish the MAPS brand that has been established throughout the years.

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

[catcherinthewry]

are you guys going to come after me next for posting about wanting bigger highways???

Hmmm, now that you mention it......except I wouldn't be too far down the list myself.

[David]

Why is that? Are we just going to ban people you don't want to see or disagree with? I can understand Bchris being banned, but you want to ban someone who, from what I've seen, nearly has every post about positive things about the city and what he wants to see done? Instead of negative criticism, he just posts things he would like to see. Goddamn man, are you guys going to come after me next for posting about wanting bigger highways???

David, I'm not trying to be hostile or argumentative with you, I'm just saying.

Two reasons. 1) His constant nonsensical condescension:

That is where I come in. ....the adults taking the keys away from the teenagers.

What the hell does that even mean??

And 2) His unending crimes against grammar. For proof of those, just review any post he has ever made.

[Plutonic Panda]

Two reasons. 1) His constant nonsensical condescension:



What the hell does that even mean??

And 2) His unending crimes against grammar. For proof of those, just review any post he has ever made.

Well, now that I can't argue against lol

[Plutonic Panda]

Hmmm, now that you mention it......except I wouldn't be too far down the list myself.

[OKVision4U]

Thank Panda! I want the Best for OKC, not the typical way of business we usually take.

....and guys, I'm not here for any grammar contest. It doesn't pay enough for me to be concerned w/ it.

[Laramie]

Thank Panda! I want the Best for OKC, not the typical way of business we usually take.....and guys, I'm not here for any grammar contest. It doesn't pay enough for me to be concerned w/ it.

Amen!

I actually think just lining the hill with concrete slabs (like in front of the Finish Line Tower) would look better and make more sense. Again, this grandstand is going to be needed very few days in a year. Building seats into the hill would look good, be cheap, and meet the needs of events on the river.

Let's stay the course:

Cheap or inexpensive? If you build, go with a permanent grandstand, the river has been known to shift as it carves its own course. The grandstand will have a floating stage. Some of us would prefer a grandstand instead of a grass seat; something with restrooms & running water instead of those blue port-a-potties.

...Depending on remaining budget, the fourth phase could include improvements such as a grandstand, a floating stage , Lincoln Bridge enhancements, parking, additional landscaping, additional specialty lighting, whitewater enhancements, second 1,000 meters of lighting and additional windscreens

Source: City of Oklahoma City | Public Information & Marketing

The grandstands & floating stage could allow for more events on the river...

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

[Plutonic Panda]

Thank Panda! I want the Best for OKC, not the typical way of business we usually take.

....and guys, I'm not here for any grammar contest. It doesn't pay enough for me to be concerned w/ it.

np man. You have some awesome ideas. Haters gonna hate

[Plutonic Panda]

Amen!

Let's stay the course:

Cheap or inexpensive? If you build, go with a permanent grandstand, the river has been known to shift as it carves its own course. The grandstand will have a floating stage. Some of us would prefer a grandstand instead of a grass seat; something with restrooms & running water instead of those blue port-a-potties.

...Depending on remaining budget, the fourth phase could include improvements such as a grandstand, a floating stage , Lincoln Bridge enhancements, parking, additional landscaping, additional specialty lighting, whitewater enhancements, second 1,000 meters of lighting and additional windscreens

Source: City of Oklahoma City | Public Information & Marketing

The grandstands & floating stage could allow for more events on the river...

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

that is truly awesome!!!! Hopefully it gets built! It will be so exciting to see the river built up and I think it will be a fairly large player in OKC tourism once all said and done. If we do this right, we might have one of the best rivers in the country.

[OKVision4U]

You forget that he's so much smarter than us. That's why he posts here... he gets things done because Mayor Cornett and Gov. Fallon read all his posts before making any decisions.

...and you think they never "observe" the one forum that is about their business ? ...Oklahoma City civics.. Ideas? Planning? ..Business trends ??? City & State desires direct from the people? ... I bet they even have a screen name too.

[catch22]

Knowing Fallin's excellence, I'm sure she goes by the handle OKvision4U.

[OKVision4U]

Knowing Fallin's excellence, I'm sure she goes by the handle OKvision4U.

no, this is not her's, but she does keep an eye on this forum. ...Mr. Cornett does too. It is their business to stay informed. ...Pete has this thing going well and it helps keep OKC and the State, more relative every day.

[Laramie]

The whole thing in a nutshell, Steve Lackmeyer does a great job with his report on this:

River Attraction: Oklahoma River is becoming a big draw for Oklahoma City | News OK

Time for Oklahoma City to have something that is second to none; let's do a world class job with what will eventually become a world class river.

The Future is Now!

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

[Snowman]

Amen!

Let's stay the course:

Cheap or inexpensive? If you build, go with a permanent grandstand, the river has been known to shift as it carves its own course. The grandstand will have a floating stage. Some of us would prefer a grandstand instead of a grass seat; something with restrooms & running water instead of those blue port-a-potties.

...Depending on remaining budget, the fourth phase could include improvements such as a grandstand, a floating stage , Lincoln Bridge enhancements, parking, additional landscaping, additional specialty lighting, whitewater enhancements, second 1,000 meters of lighting and additional windscreens

Source: City of Oklahoma City | Public Information & Marketing

The grandstands & floating stage could allow for more events on the river...

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

After Devon opened there has never been that much of a line in the bathrooms there during events, after the CHK Boathouse and Whitewater building open the probably could do the events without bring in any port-a-potties, certainly after the OU boathouse and the Sandridge Pavilion open there is little reason not to just use the normal bathrooms. Also at least at some point there was also talk of the Boathouse taking over the maintenance of the river cruzer's bathrooms and making them open to the public, instead of just the cruzer passengers.

[ljbab728]

The grandstands & floating stage could allow for more events on the river...

Please note that there are also plans to eventually include an amphitheater on the South side of the river in conjunction with Core to Shore as shown here.

http://www.okc.gov/planning/coretosh...devconcept.jpg

[Laramie]

Please note that there are also plans to eventually include an amphitheater on the South side of the river in conjunction with Core to Shore as shown here.

http://www.okc.gov/planning/coretosh...devconcept.jpg

Wow!

Thanks ljbab728, you are observant. The drawing depicts an Amphitheater (bottom center); that's adds to the discussion about what is needed. Looks like a lot of duplication we don't necessarily need since there is a viable amphitheater at the Zoo. Was this one of the wish list projects like item #10. NFL stadium draft on the river?

We need to decide what we want to build and concentrate our efforts on a few quality developments; then phase other projects in which would allow flexibility to make changes.

The link below are videos about the trails, street car and whitewater park scale models:

City of Oklahoma City | Public Information & Marketing

Should we designate the south side of river plans for housing (residential) development and the north side for adventure and entertainment?

Do we need a grandstands and an amphitheater; or is the outdoor theater someone's idea to throw the south side a bone and a few scraps?

Here are the MAPS 3 survey results: City of Oklahoma City | MAPS 3 survey results

Projections of our growth: MAPS IV will probably be eight year collections in the neighborhood of $1 billion in projects. Oh, what about MAPS V? Time to replace the Chesapeake Energy Arena or the team moves to Seattle? Just kidding...

"Oklahoma City looks oh-so pretty... ...as I get my kicks on Route 66." --Nat King Cole.

[Snowman]

Thanks ljbab728, you are observant. The drawing depicts an Amphitheater (bottom center); that's adds to the discussion about what is needed. Looks like a lot of duplication we don't necessarily need since there is a viable amphitheater at the Zoo. Was this one of the wish list projects like item #10. NFL stadium draft on the river?

There have been plans for an amphitheater in C2S since the first draft, I think the original was larger though and would have held more people than the Zoo one.

Do we need a grandstands and an amphitheater; or is the outdoor theater someone's idea to throw the south side a bone and a few scraps?

The amphitheater is probably on the south side because that way you get a view of both the river and downtown's skyscrapers from the audiences seats, which are generally considered good views when doing a structure like that. Plus when C2S was originally in planning there was no reason to expect anything like the Boathouse District as we know it, I want to say it was penciled in as possible low rise residential, Regatta Park (the area around the Chesapeake Boathouse) might have made it into some of the later versions.