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    Well now is as good of time as any to do a mid-year review of where we are are. Just a quick note. The detailed Q1 report is not yet available to break down actual route performance per operating airline, so this is going to be some what high level in that respect. Generally overall though this year as progressed as expected from what I said in the initial post. Here are the details per carrier.

    Allegiant Air

    Entered the market in November of last year. They will suspend service on August 10th of this year and are said to return in the Spring of 2015. This tends to indicate that the Winter revenues were lower than needed to bring the service back earlier. The airline operated 2 weekly MD-80s to Sanford, FL outside of Orlando. Loads weren't terrible through the first part of the year. They launched end of 2013 with a 71% load factor which rose to 85% in December. In January they dropped to 76%, Feb increased to 86%, and March even better at 90%. Based on this I would expect we'll see them restart at the end of February to catch the beginning of Spring break traffic. I don't expect any additional service until we see loads in the mid 90s.

    American / Envoy / American Eagle / US Airways / US Airways Express

    The merger with US Airways was of course the big news of last year and the integration will take place through this year and next. As reported, the expectation was that we would be connect to a US Airways hub at some point after the merger. Next month that officially happens with the addition of CRJ-900 service to Charlotte on twice daily service. We will also see US Airways Express operator Mesa take over the AA service to Los Angeles with the CR9s. The rebanking of hubs hasn't completely kicked in yet, so no major changes announced for service to DFW or ORD.

    Breaking down performance is hard to do until the detailed Q1 report comes out, but this is out the airline operations look overall. American mainline has a 73.88% load factor for Q1. January they were absolutely horrible at 67% climbing to 81% in Feb be before falling back in March to 73.8%. Envoy Airlines, formerly American Eagle Airlines formerly Simmons Airlines, had a similarly rough Q1. Jan 65.7%, Feb 71.6%, and Mar 75.3%. Envoy provides the lift to ORD and LAX and one of the Eagle flights to DFW.

    Dallas/Ft Worth service saw an increase 1 daily nonstop with an additional American Eagle flight, bringing service to 9 daily nonstops. AA ground handling scope restricts stations that do not have mainline ramp employees from having more than 7 mainline departures. Based on this I don't see us ever getting mainline back to Chicago or to CLT. This means we are pretty good candidate to get the Embraer EJets as they come online, especially to ORD. O'Hare service saw an increase to 5 this year over 4 flights during this past winter. LAX has been flat at 2 flights but will see an upgauge to a Mesa CR9 from an Envoy CR7.

    Delta Air Lines / Delta Connection and friends

    Delta has maintained 100% mainline to ATL and is now all MD-80s for the Summer from the mix of 737s, M88s, and 319s. No major changes expected for the most part. Detroit has increased to 3 daily from the Winter with 1 CR9 and 2 CR7s. MSP remains at 3 flights but the AM flight had an upgauge to a CR9, other two remain CRJ-200s. SLC remains at 3 flights as well but saw the opposite with a downgrade to a CR7 on the AM flight and the rest remain CR7s. Delta mainline had a weak Q1 with both Jan and Feb at 69% full and March at 77% full. I'm not going to bother attempting to break down the connection carriers right now until we get detail results.

    Frontier Airlines

    Frontier has remained pretty strong in the market. They ended 2013 with a load factor around 90% for the year and had loads as high as 95% for December. January did see dip to 79% but rebounded in Feb at 90.9% and March at 91%. Their schedule remains at 2 daily flights on A319s. No changed expected.

    Southwest Airlines / AirTran Airways

    Southwest remains marginal in the market load factor wise, but still has nonstop service to more markets from OKC than any other airline. Jan loads were at 70.6%, Feb at 71.7%, and March at 79.4%. This is an improvement of 5% pts per month over last year. The AirTran side of the operation which include MDW and ATL for this portion were absolutely dreadful. In Jan loads were at 54.5%, Feb 53.7%, and March at 67.8%. I believe the MDW flights are the ones most impacting this number, but we'll know more soon. Main impacts being felt is the loss of one daily flight to Dallas Love going down to 3 daily flights - the lowest in decades. St. Louis is up to 2 daily flights again though taking the station to 21 daily flights. WN took MDW service back over from AirTran (FL) and will take over ATL in August. These change overs mean and increase in capacity going from a 117 seat 717 to a 143 seat 737-700.

    United Airlines / United Express

    Finally UAL or Continental or whoever you want to call them. Is pretty comparable to the others. This is for mainline only, which is limited for this market, had a 74.8% load factor in Jan, 83.4% in Feb, and 76.1% in March. Much of the service though is operated by contract carriers so we'll have to wait for the actual detailed breakdown. ORD remains at 3 with 1 CR7 and 2 ERJs. Cleveland service is dead due to the dehubbing there. DEN, which use to be an all mainline route a few years ago, is all United Express still like it transitioned to this past winter. Relatively same mix of aircraft of CR7s, a DH8 Q400, and an ERJ on the same 5 daily flights. IAH service remains at 10 flights per day. Equipment mix is ERJ - 7, CR7 - 2, 737 - 1. LAX remains one daily CR7. SFO is one daily CR7. IAD is one daily CR7. Finally EWR is one daily ERJ still, but word is that we'll start seeing some periodic upgrades to a 170 on certain days.

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    I noticed WN going to 1 daily on ATL? Is this true or an error?

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    Looks like they are, starting in November. Crazy crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture View Post
    Looks like they are, starting in November. Crazy crazy.
    What makes that so crazy? Apologies if that's a stupid question and I just missed something elementary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemingstein View Post
    What makes that so crazy? Apologies if that's a stupid question and I just missed something elementary.
    For November and December AirTran was running 72%-79% full on average for the months at the end of last year. Compare that to MDW operating at only 41% and 47%. Yet they cut one ATL flight but keep MDW at 2. It makes zero sense.

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    Network Scheduling Dept rarely makes sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    Network Scheduling Dept rarely makes sense
    No truer words have been spoken about the industry. LOL

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    Regarding American: knowing about the mainline restriction, I always wondered if they'd ever consider shuffling planes around. As A319s come into the fleet, would it be particularly outlandish to see an A319 to ORD somewhere down the line, with a mainline space taken from DFW and replaced by large RJs?

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    Venture -- looks like UAL is going to E170s on one each of DEN and IAH routes. Not sure on the exact timing but booking travel for October and noticed it.

    United – Flight 3515
    Operated by Shuttle America DBA United Express 1h 22m
    Take-off Sat 9:00p IAH Houston, TX
    Landing Sat 10:22p OKC Oklahoma City, OK
    | Embraer 170 (Narrow-body Jet) | 1h 22m

    United – Flight 3455
    Operated by Shuttle America DBA United Express 1h 41m
    Take-off Wed 6:30a OKC Oklahoma City, OK
    Landing Wed 7:11a DEN Denver, CO
    | Embraer 170 (Narrow-body Jet) | 1h 41m

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    Was just about to post this.. Currently see two to IAH in the June schedule.

    For the sept and Oct schedule it will be 2 E75 1 E70 2 CR7 1 320 4 E45 to IAH.
    DEN will be 1 E70 1 DH4 1 CRJ 1 CR7 1 E45
    ORD will be 1 E70 1 CR7 1 E45

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    I anticipate SFO will eventually go to the E175 and EWR will eventually go to the E170 (currently sees day of week upgauge to the 170)

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    Still kinda sad we just have the one token mainline flight on UA left. Glad to see the EJets moving into the schedule even more though.

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    Give me those E70/75s over just about anything else out of OKC right now (including mainline). Probably the most comofortable "newer" equipment out there.

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    The FAA has released its preliminary traffic numbers for 2013. Here be the link: http://www.faa.gov/airports/planning...planements.pdf

    With 1,790,407 enplanements, that makes Will Rogers good for 64th busiest airport in the country. We also (again) have the title of largest Small Hub.

    Tulsa International ranks 13 spots behind, at a few shades over 1.3 million enplanements. Lawton was a little further down at 55,526 enplanements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s00nr1 View Post
    Give me those E70/75s over just about anything else out of OKC right now (including mainline). Probably the most comofortable "newer" equipment out there.
    Expect to see more of them.

    Mesa signed a contract for heavy maintenance to be done at AAR OKC. It's my understanding that Mesa wants to have these on a regular schedule into OKC, to facilitate ease of maintenance scheduling. So I wouldn't be surprised to see IAD just go to an E75 regularly. But they may route through ORD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    Expect to see more of them.

    Mesa signed a contract for heavy maintenance to be done at AAR OKC. It's my understanding that Mesa wants to have these on a regular schedule into OKC, to facilitate ease of maintenance scheduling. So I wouldn't be surprised to see IAD just go to an E75 regularly. But they may route through ORD.
    That pretty much all but guarantees a constant flow of them into OKC as much as possible. Have seen this in other stations that don't primarily get a certain level of service seeing boosts because of it (Ft Wayne comes to mind - don't worry A.netters FWAERJ doesn't post here LOL).

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    Diversion palooza on going at OKC right now...

    AAL362 MD83 San Diego Intl (KSAN) Tue 02:50PM Tue 03:21PM Tue 05:49PM
    ENY3347 E135 Amarillo Intl (KAMA) Tue 04:15PM Tue 04:55PM Tue 05:55PM
    AAL1579 A319 Abilene Rgnl (KABI) Tue 04:15PM Tue 05:20PM Tue 06:01PM
    AAL243 B738 Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) Tue 02:00PM Tue 02:26PM Tue 06:25PM
    CPZ5811 E170 LaGuardia (KLGA) Tue 02:17PM Tue 02:57PM Tue 06:30PM
    AAL1120 B738 LaGuardia (KLGA) Tue 02:35PM Tue 03:00PM Tue 06:31PM

    AAL333 A319 Mc Allen Miller Intl (KMFE) Tue 04:25PM Tue 06:17PM
    AAL126 MD83 Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) Tue 03:44PM Tue 05:53PM
    AAL2442 B738 Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) Tue 02:58PM Tue 05:40PM
    AAL2283 A319 Corpus Christi Intl (KCRP) Tue 03:20PM Tue 04:57PM

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    ASQ3805 E145 Cleveland-Hopkins Intl (KCLE) 04:35p

    07:06p
    ASQ2574 CRJ2 Mc Ghee Tyson (KTYS) 05:21p

    07:17p

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    Was just going to post seeing tons of AA equipment on approach into OKC from downtown.

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

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    Lol Williston ND with a 136% increase

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    More diversions incoming. Get your cameras.

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    Yesterday's diversions: The 1 from Abilene looks like it was a double-divert. Was scheduled as Mexico-DFW then diverted to Abilene...then ABI-DFW and was diverted to OKC.

    Having lived in Abilene before..that flight is 30 mins tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture View Post
    That pretty much all but guarantees a constant flow of them into OKC as much as possible. Have seen this in other stations that don't primarily get a certain level of service seeing boosts because of it (Ft Wayne comes to mind - don't worry A.netters FWAERJ doesn't post here LOL).
    HAHA - this cracks me up. Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.

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    United will be moving to Gate 11 Monday by noon, and American will receive control of Gate 8 at noon.

    Airport approved the lease amendment Thursday deleting Gate 8 and adding Gate 11.

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    ^Just in time for the new Charlotte nonstops beginning next week.

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