Quail Springs Mall invaded

[bchris02]

Are there really any regular people who will be shopping at the mall at 2AM? I would think not. Therefore, I don't see why this is any big deal at all. Now if they were doing it in the middle of the day on a busy Saturday then yes, there would be a problem.

[Garin]

They're trying to de-sensitize people, which is why they're trying to do the drill at 2 a.m. instead of during a busy day at the mall. Okay.

So if the City along with the Sheriff's office. for example, were to put on a fire evacuation drill from the Chesapeake Center, say, or wanted to work with other Emergency Ops units to stage "mass casualty" incident drills, it's all part of a conspiracy? How about it's part of simply being prepared. I'm more "afeared" of what I see coming out of any one of the gun shows at the State Fair than I would ever be of an emergency ops/terrorism preparedness drill. If we started talking more about gun "safety" (and yes, by "safety" I mean regulations, plus stiffer ID requirements/background checks, as well as the overall mental heath of this country, then maybe we would have less to fear, as would the FBI.

I'm sure most cops would love to act and look like Andy Taylor as well, but they don't have a choice, given with what they have to face in today's world. Last week you were standing tall in support of Cliven Bundy, but his type of fringe group is exactly the kind of group (along with foreign terrorist groups) that our current FBI has to deal with and be prepared for.

I don't see him as a fringe group, you can have all kinds of people show up for support , 90% of the people there probably didnt even know Bundy so you cant control that....

[Chadanth]

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I don't see him as a fringe group, you can have all kinds of people show up for support , 90% of the people there probably didnt even know Bundy so you cant control that....

People were still so much in a rush to defend a guy who openly breaks the law that they failed to vet him....

[kelroy55]

Are there really any regular people who will be shopping at the mall at 2AM? I would think not. Therefore, I don't see why this is any big deal at all. Now if they were doing it in the middle of the day on a busy Saturday then yes, there would be a problem.

It's not a big deal other than to the outrage of the day crowd.

[Garin]

Where do cops go around patrolling like Blackwater? I see cops everyday in uniform, gun, badge and concealed vest. I don't see a lot of full-body armor, helmets, tactical rigs, drop holsters and kitted-out AR-15's except for rare circumstances like this. Perhaps poking some holes in the tinfoil hat or pushing it above your eyes, you could see the world for what it is, not what you fear it to be.

[kelroy55]

I do believe that's Boston after the bombing isn't it?

[Garin]

I do believe that's Boston after the bombing isn't it?

Does it matter? Boston's finest looking more like Blackwater.

[Garin]

I wonder what the cops will be dressed in at Quail springs fatigues or uniform

[Achilleslastand]

Its just more attempt to desensitize the public to automatic weapons and military style policing. It has no place in the public eye or public sector. I want my cop to look and act like Andy Taylor , not a member of Blackwater. Those of you ok with this its your right , I have my own opinions.

You mean Andy Taylor the guitarist from Duran Duran?

[Garin]

You mean Andy Taylor the guitarist from Duran Duran?

He'd work all right also, he would need to tone his hair down though.

[kelroy55]

Does it matter? Boston's finest looking more like Blackwater.

LOL Yes it does matter if it's normal dress or SWAT out after a bombing. The only reason it wouldn't matter is if you were an idiot.

[jn1780]

I do believe that's Boston after the bombing isn't it?

Yeah, these were when they shut a major city down and started searching house to house to find one guy.

[kelroy55]

Yeah, these were when they shut a major city down and started searching house to house to find one guy.

Don't think anybody complained since they got the guy(s)

[Chadanth]

Does it matter? Boston's finest looking more like Blackwater.

Yeah, after a bombing and a cop getting shot up. I know what I'd wear to that party, you go ahead and wear a patrol uniform.

[Wheres_my_shirt]

I don't understand the fret over this. It's a government body running drills in order to be prepared to protect it's citizens, in the middle of the night when no one is around. If they were patrolling middle of the day in residential neighborhoods I would understand some concern, but I feel totally supportive of this and am wondering why it would be called into question?

And to the point of what police officers are wearing, I also feel like that is a non issue. So what if they are wearing a bullet proof vest? Guess what, I don't want to be shot either. If my job was putting me in a situation where the risk of getting shot increases exponentially, you better believe I'm wearing one too. Guess what, there weren't crack heads in Mayberry.

[Garin]

I don't understand the fret over this. It's a government body running drills in order to be prepared to protect it's citizens, in the middle of the night when no one is around. If they were patrolling middle of the day in residential neighborhoods I would understand some concern, but I feel totally supportive of this and am wondering why it would be called into question?

And to the point of what police officers are wearing, I also feel like that is a non issue. So what if they are wearing a bullet proof vest? Guess what, I don't want to be shot either. If my job was putting me in a situation where the risk of getting shot increases exponentially, you better believe I'm wearing one too. Guess what, there weren't crack heads in Mayberry.

Its time to unplug the matrix cable from the back of yo head..... The desensitizing is complete!

[Chadanth]

Its time to unplug the matrix cable from the back of yo head..... The desensitizing is complete!

Unplug the Alex Jones, man. You throw up a couple pics of police going into very dangerous situations, such that you've never raised your hand for, and you think that's how they are 24/7.

[Garin]

Unplug the Alex Jones, man. You throw up a couple pics of police going into very dangerous situations, such that you've never raised your hand for, and you think that's how they are 24/7.

A couple of photos? I could start a thread just like cops gone wild , showing you a picture each day for the rest of my life with instances were talking about. It has nothing to do with Alex Jones or Beck they just happen to be a few of the outlets that will actually report on it. I don't have to raise my hand and never will good cops are far and few between, and it just continues to get worse as the good ones retire.

[Chadanth]

A couple of photos? I could start a thread just like cops gone wild , showing you a picture each day for the rest of my life with instances were talking about. It has nothing to do with Alex Jones or Beck they just happen to be a few of the outlets that will actually report on it. I don't have to raise my hand and never will good cops are far and few between, and it just continues to get worse as the good ones retire.

Law enforcement in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2008, federal police employed approx. 120,000 full-time law enforcement officers, authorized to make arrests and carry firearms in the United States.[1]

The 2012 Bureau of Justice Statistics' Census of State and Local Law Enforcement Agencies (CSLLEA), found there were 17,985 state and local law enforcement agencies employing at least one full-time officer or the equivalent in part-time officers.[2]

In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million persons on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000 part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers.[2]

So, about 885,000 total gun-toting law enforcement personnel in the US, having millions of interactions with Americans, and you act as though this is Nazi Germany. Of course you can find a few everyday that go wrong. It's more surprising that you can't find hundreds everyday.

As for your assertion that "Alex Jones or Beck they just happen to be a few of the outlets that will actually report on it", that's idiocy. CNN and Fox News report on police incidents all the time. Perhaps those don't make it through the tinfoil hat, though.

[kelroy55]

I don't understand the fret over this. It's a government body running drills in order to be prepared to protect it's citizens, in the middle of the night when no one is around. If they were patrolling middle of the day in residential neighborhoods I would understand some concern, but I feel totally supportive of this and am wondering why it would be called into question?

And to the point of what police officers are wearing, I also feel like that is a non issue. So what if they are wearing a bullet proof vest? Guess what, I don't want to be shot either. If my job was putting me in a situation where the risk of getting shot increases exponentially, you better believe I'm wearing one too. Guess what, there weren't crack heads in Mayberry.

Don't take him serious, he's just being a Troll.

[kevinpate]

Good cops are few and far between?

big steaming cow pies! Sorry, but you are either brain washed or just being foolish.

sure, bad cops exist. no question. they absolutely do not outnumber the solid ones. not even a close question.

and that boys and girls come from someone with nearly a quarter century experience in looking hard to highlight failures and excesses, not from too much exposure to TV and talk radio claptrap.

my job would be both easier and a whole lot more fun if the tin hatters were correct, unless of course they kitted up and went all Shakespeare on me and my brothers and sisters of the bar first.

[Garin]

The gun in the hands of law-abiding citizens serves to hold in check arrogant and aggressive government. Guns in the hands of the bureaucrats do the opposite. The founders of this country fully understood this fact.

[zookeeper]

I don't agree with Garin on darn near anything. But, I share some of the same concerns. Here's why: This is exactly what people mean when they talk about the "militarization" of local police departments. It's not just bulletproof vests. It's all the military weaponry, the armor shields, the tanks, the trucks, armored personnel carriers, command posts, complete with the all-black or fatigue uniforms, and live war games on a ridiculously massive scale.

Somebody made the point that they are doing this so that if this situation ever came up, they couldn't be accused of not preparing for it. This is just not logical. The government cannot have a contingency plan, complete with live military-style war games, for every contingency. Training at a shopping mall overnight in Oklahoma City. Okay, check. There are thousands of other scenarios - do they all need war game style training, too?

I'm no conspiracy-theorist. I do know the overreach of local law enforcement in personnel, culture, vehicles, management, and especially the militarizing is simply wrong. It is a threat to Americans. The Posse Comitatus Act is there for a reason. Any military troops used domestically on the ground to "protect" us can just as easily turn around and "carry out orders" and become the aggressors. End-runs around the Posse Comitatus Act disguised as "terrorist" training makes it appear they are making us safe. I'll say it again: the government cannot keep you safe from all possibilities of terrorism. But, through this kind of security theater, they can make you think they can and at the same time train law enforcement for military "police" actions on our own soil. This country is NOT immune to tyranny. Having in place the machinations and logistics of a tyrannical regime, needing police state tacticians that are well-trained, is not American. This "training exercise" at QSM violates the very spirit of Posse Comitatus.

This kind of military-like operation ("training") should not be applauded, as it's a perfect example of the frightening militarization of local law enforcement.

Agree or disagree, thanks for the respectful hearing. We don't all have to agree here.

[BrettM2]

The gun in the hands of law-abiding citizens serves to hold in check arrogant and aggressive government. Guns in the hands of the bureaucrats do the opposite. The founders of this country fully understood this fact.

The founders of this country also dealt with a country that only had 4 million citizens and had a couple million others to keep in chains. Try actually understanding history before you start posting bumper sticker slogans.

[RadicalModerate]

They're trying to de-sensitize people,

thanx for the reminder. although it might be counterproductive in terms of de-senitivizationalism within the context of the general outrage.
(yet, doesn't a 2:00 AM, FauxPoliceRaid, in the vicinity of an Albatross (or elephant in the room) of A Mall in a Commercial Zone on the Border of Urban Sprawl beg the question: Who Cares? =)

Heritage Park Mall, in Midwest City, probably would have caused less controversy on account of it's deserted all the time.