Global Cities

[jonathan]

Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I found this article interesting.

What does OKC have to do to be considered a global city

[Plutonic Panda]

If NYC collapsed, the global economy would probably suffer a collapse as well. If OKC collapsed, the world would go on. OKC is not nor ever will be a global city. Dallas or Houston isn't even a global city, imo. The only "global city" in the U.S. is NYC, imo. L.A. is certainly a player, but I don't think the global economy would be much impacted except for some media, but most of that is even in NYC, so I don't think L.A. would be a global city, that is just my opinion of course. I see about two or three global cities in the world.

Keep in mind, I haven't read the article yet, so I'm not sure how many they include.

[Mel]

Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I found this article interesting.

What does OKC have to do to be considered a global city

Transport to an alternative universe.

[Richard at Remax]

OKVision is that you?

[Mel]

No. I'm Mustangvision.

[Richard at Remax]

Sorry I was referring to OP

[AP]

I think the question was more along the lines of how to get on the list, seeing as Tulsa and Des Moines are on the list under sufficiency and OKC isn't.

[jonathan]

I think the question was more along the lines of how to get on the list, seeing as Tulsa and Des Moines are on the list under sufficiency and OKC isn't.

this

[bchris02]

I think the question was more along the lines of how to get on the list, seeing as Tulsa and Des Moines are on the list under sufficiency and OKC isn't.

I've wondered this myself. The only thing I can think of is OKC may be either too reliant on DFW for sufficiency status or the deciders simply have a bias against OKC based off what this city was 20 years ago.

[Mel]

Sorry I was referring to OP

Oops. My bad.

[jonathan]

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[Plutonic Panda]

I've wondered this myself. The only thing I can think of is OKC may be either too reliant on DFW for sufficiency status or the deciders simply have a bias against OKC based off what this city was 20 years ago.

Yeah, Tulsa is a crappy city. It is truly one of the worst cities I've ever been. I'd prefer Memphis over Tulsa. The city really isn't going anywhere and has a few cool projects, but overall, Tulsa is garbage. That is just my opinion, and I've stated it before and was criticized because of it, and that's fine, but it sticks.

[Plutonic Panda]

Las Vegas and Washington D.C. are two cities I would put under a "special" category.

[Urbanized]

Tulsa is hardly a "garbage city." The knock on Tulsa over the past couple of decades has been downtown stagnation and the urban/suburban economic divide, and that is certainly not the case either, these days. They have quite a few enviable projects in their core. They also have an outsized quality-of-life in a few areas such as their music scene and upscale shopping, playing well above where their population should dictate.

Regarding Des Moines, though I haven't been I think most of us would be surprised by it based on what I know about it. When I briefly worked for Downtown OKC Inc., I attended the International Downtown Association conference in Los Angeles in 2000. One of the things that I recall most about that conference is that a huge number of the presentations and breakout sessions were being conducted by people from the Des Moines downtown association, and that they were incredibly respected by everyone there.

They enjoyed an EXCELLENT reputation for the work they were doing downtown, and I recall sitting in sessions with people from places like the Times Square BID, downtown Seattle, The Downtown Denver Partnership and the LA Fashion District, all who were paying rapt attention to a bunch of hicks from little ol' Des Moines telling the story of their downtown revitalization. That stuck with me. I suspect it's probably a city much like OKC, with not a lot of national/international rep but with a bunch of great things going on downtown.

That said, it is puzzling why those cities would be included in this list and OKC not, and I would again think it goes back to reputation and the poor (or invisible) profile that OKC has suffered from for many years. I think that is rapidly changing though.

[bchris02]

I agree. Tulsa isn't a garbage city at all. Like it or not, they are ahead of OKC significantly in a few but important quality of life issues, most namely live music and upscale shopping. With that plus their prestigious art museums, I can definitely see how they made the list. Des Moines on the other hand is a baffling one. Regardless of how much development is going on there, its still a metro area of less than 600,000 people. I have a hard time believing they have many amenities that OKC does not. One city I am surprised also didn't make the list is Louisville. Louisville is nicer than Tulsa and is the kind of city OKC is becoming but they are about 5-10 years ahead of us.

[Plutonic Panda]

Tulsa is hardly a "garbage city." The knock on Tulsa over the past couple of decades has been downtown stagnation and the urban/suburban economic divide, and that is certainly not the case either, these days. They have quite a few enviable projects in their core. They also have an outsized quality-of-life in a few areas such as their music scene and upscale shopping, playing well above where their population should dictate.

Regarding Des Moines, though I haven't been I think most of us would be surprised by it based on what I know about it. When I briefly worked for Downtown OKC Inc., I attended the International Downtown Association conference in Los Angeles in 2000. One of the things that I recall most about that conference is that a huge number of the presentations and breakout sessions were being conducted by people from the Des Moines downtown association, and that they were incredibly respected by everyone there.

They enjoyed an EXCELLENT reputation for the work they were doing downtown, and I recall sitting in sessions with people from places like the Times Square BID, downtown Seattle, The Downtown Denver Partnership and the LA Fashion District, all who were paying rapt attention to a bunch of hicks from little ol' Des Moines telling the story of their downtown revitalization. That stuck with me. I suspect it's probably a city much like OKC, with not a lot of national/international rep but with a bunch of great things going on downtown.

That said, it is puzzling why those cities would be included in this list and OKC not, and I would again think it goes back to reputation and the poor (or invisible) profile that OKC has suffered from for many years. I think that is rapidly changing though.

I disagree with you on this. Tulsa is garbage in my opinion. Of course, some could say the same thing about Dallas I suppose, so it is all in a matter of opinion.

[traxx]

Is this a list we really need to be concerned about being on. How many people reference this list? Of those that do, How many move past Alpha++ or the Alpha + section and go all the way down to find Tulsa and Des Moines? How many people base their perception of a city on this list? How many people are even aware of the list?

[Plutonic Panda]

This list was posted awhile back I think. Although I agree with this first part, I would add Tokyo.

Other than that though, I really don't think this list is that important. I think it is much better to be on lists ranking you among bets cities to do business in, bets cities for young professionals, best cities to move to, fastest growing city etc.

[venture]

I disagree with you on this. Tulsa is garbage in my opinion. Of course, some could say the same thing about Dallas I suppose, so it is all in a matter of opinion.

We all have opinions. Some opinions just happen to be worth less than garbage.

[Plutonic Panda]

Alright, that to, would be an opinion.

[bchris02]

Is this a list we really need to be concerned about being on. How many people reference this list? Of those that do, How many move past Alpha++ or the Alpha + section and go all the way down to find Tulsa and Des Moines? How many people base their perception of a city on this list? How many people are even aware of the list?

True. The only place I've seen where this list really holds any weight is in the City vs. City section of City-Data. This list lines up pretty closely with the perception of various cities on City-Data. In reality, it doesn't matter and most people or businesses potentially looking to locate in OKC aren't even going to consider this list.

[Plutonic Panda]

True. The only place I've seen where this list really holds any weight is in the City vs. City section of City-Data. This list lines up pretty closely with the perception of various cities on City-Data. In reality, it doesn't matter and most people or businesses potentially looking to locate in OKC aren't even going to consider this list.

I can promise you, about 90% of people that relocate to cities don't use forum websites to make a decision. So there is no reason we should be worried about whether or not OKC looks good on city data.

[bchris02]

I can promise you, about 90% of people that relocate to cities don't use forum websites to make a decision. So there is no reason we should be worried about whether or not OKC looks good on city data.

I completely agree. Probably more like 99.5%.

[Plutonic Panda]

I completely agree. Probably more like 99.5%.

yeah, I was being conservative lol

[jonathan]

It's funny how we'll dismiss certain lists as irrelevant while praising certain lists in that cast okc in a favorable light.

Instead of downplaying the importance of a Wikipedia list that has Des Moines and Tulsa and Madison in esteem why can't we accept it and strive for better? I think the former does nothing for our civic development. Just sarong "they're bias, using our perception for the last 20 years" does nothing. I've been to many of the 'sufficient' cities and they mostly feel more urban and cultured than the home town. What can we do to improve?