Fire Ford (and Holder)

[andrew3077]

You say a lot of things as if they are fact and we should just take your word for it. Can't you point to some facts about the tax money that OSU uses for athletics and OU uses for academics? I'm not trying to call you a liar or anything, I'd just like to know your sources or how you know those things.

NCAA college athletics department finances database ? USATODAY.com
This is true that OU athletics pays towards OU academics.

But really, I'm a lifelong OU fan, and I'm happy as ever that we've beaten OSU in both FB and BB this year but this kind of salty trash talk in this thread just makes us look bad. I don't think I've ever met anyone around campus that is anywhere near as angry about OSU than what I've seen above. Like actually angry...

Of course I think OU is better in so many different ways but... srsly though act like we've been there... because we have.

[Spartan]

The DOK among other places has published these facts many, many times.
Its been a source of many jokes among many OU fans going back several decades that I'm aware of.
The most common being, osu athletics is a state welfare case! LOL.

Most of this can be learned over time by paying attention to the entire paper and not the poke spin that seen in the sports pages or on the radio talk shows. You will make your self better informed if you will preform your own search.

Great, now it's a common joke that everyone had heard of. So there must be lots of links, right?

[AP]

Great, now it's a common joke that everyone had heard of. So there must be lots of links, right?

I really was being sincere when asking for facts. While I have been an OSU fan most of my life, most of my friends and family growing up were OU fans and we never heard those jokes. Most jokes were aimed at how we had never won a football championship and the Bedlam record was sad.

[AP]

NCAA college athletics department finances database ? USATODAY.com
This is true that OU athletics pays towards OU academics.

But really, I'm a lifelong OU fan, and I'm happy as ever that we've beaten OSU in both FB and BB this year but this kind of salty trash talk in this thread just makes us look bad. I don't think I've ever met anyone around campus that is anywhere near as angry about OSU than what I've seen above. Like actually angry...

Of course I think OU is better in so many different ways but... srsly though act like we've been there... because we have.

Thank you for providing facts. I appreciate that. While it looks like OSU subsidizes their football program with allocated funds and OU doesn't, both Alabama and Auburn also do. As well as plenty of other schools in the Big 12. I'm glad OU has been blessed with a great history of football excellence, but for most programs that's not the case and their programs have to be subsidized.

[ou48A]

NCAA college athletics department finances database ? USATODAY.com
This is true that OU athletics pays towards OU academics.

But really, I'm a lifelong OU fan, and I'm happy as ever that we've beaten OSU in both FB and BB this year but this kind of salty trash talk in this thread just makes us look bad. I don't think I've ever met anyone around campus that is anywhere near as angry about OSU than what I've seen above. Like actually angry...

Of course I think OU is better in so many different ways but... srsly though act like we've been there... because we have.

The only thing that really irritates me about osu is that osu athletics is on state welfare.
The fact that others take it from their own states doesn’t make it anymore right.

osu athletics should be taken off the states welfare rolls.

[ou48A]

Below is the poke vision statement.

If this really is the true poke vision the state money that's diverted to athletics would be better used if it was spent in trying to become “a first-class, land grant educational system” Doing so would better advance the quality of life in Oklahoma and would be a more responsible use of the states tax payers money.

Oklahoma State University System

Vision Statement
Oklahoma State University System will advance the quality of life in Oklahoma by fulfilling the instructional, research, and outreach obligations of a first-class, land grant educational system.

[SOONER8693]

Time to agree to disagree. Move on to the next topic everyone.

[jerrywall]

Or maybe, let us talk about the topic of the thread... and you OSU stalkers could quit trying to hijack it to talk about other stuff?

[SOONER8693]

Just like a child. You can't let it go. Have a wonderful day.

[AP]

Below is the poke vision statement.

If this really is the true poke vision the state money that's diverted to athletics would be better used if it was spent in trying to become “a first-class, land grant educational system” Doing so would better advance the quality of life in Oklahoma and would be a more responsible use of the states tax payers money.

Oklahoma State University System

Vision Statement
Oklahoma State University System will advance the quality of life in Oklahoma by fulfilling the instructional, research, and outreach obligations of a first-class, land grant educational system.

Can you tell me how much tax money OSU is even receiving for their athletic department?

[jerrywall]

Just like a child. You can't let it go. Have a wonderful day.

Oh, so you have something to contribute on Ford/Holder, which is what this thread is about?

No? Gonna throw in some high class words like "stoolwater" again? Just admit that you're an OSU obsessed OU bandwagon fanboy. Why you mad bro?

[jerrywall]

Can you tell me how much tax money OSU is even receiving for their athletic department?

I don't think it gets broken down to that detail. The "subsidy" column on that report includes student fees, university contributions, and direct state funding.

As you pointed out though, there are like 5/6 schools in the entire Div 1 that don't subsidize their athletic programs. Good for those schools, but that doesn't mean I'd expect every other school to do the same.

[AP]

I don't think it gets broken down to that detail. The "subsidy" column on that report includes student fees, university contributions, and direct state funding.

As you pointed out though, there are like 5/6 schools in the entire Div 1 that don't subsidize their athletic programs. Good for those schools, but that doesn't mean I'd expect every other school to do the same.

My point exactly. There is no way to tell if the subsidy is coming all from state tax dollars.

[AP]

Also, the most recent report I saw was $1.8 million and not the $6+ million from 2011.

USA Today | Sports | COLLEGE

[jerrywall]

I also thought this was interesting... when looking at the methodology.

Includes both direct and indirect support from the university, including state funds, tuition, tuition waivers etc. as well as federal Work Study amounts for athletes. It also includes university-provided support such as administrative costs, facilities and grounds maintenance, security, risk management, utilities, depreciation and debt service.

So part of that money would be federal work study for athletes (not state money) and some other miscellaneous stuff.

[Lafferty Daniel]

So about the topic of the thread....

I'm not so sure you can fire Holder. Overall, he has done a good job. He is a prick but he's good at what he does. The Ford contract is obviously a giant mistake and I'm sure he regrets it more than anyone. At the time, Ford looked to be a great hire and Kentucky was needing a coach so I believe Holder panicked and gave him a long contract so that he wouldn't leave for Kentucky. He has done a great job improving football season ticket sales. He has failed at the basketball ticket sales. He still has them at the final four prices from 2004 which is insane.

It's obvious Ford needs to go. He's a good recruiter but just doesn't seem to get his talent to play to their level. Who knows if anyone will step up to buy out his contract. Boone doesn't have the money he used to and I'm not sure who else could step up and donate $11 million and not think twice about that kind of money. Maybe Malone Mitchell? My hope is that now that Smart is back we can go on a little bit of a run to finish the season.

Side note: all it would take is every football season ticket holder donating $220 and we can finance Ford's buyout!

[dankrutka]

The only thing that really irritates me about osu is that osu athletics is on state welfare.
The fact that others take it from their own states doesn’t make it anymore right.

osu athletics should be taken off the states welfare rolls.

Wait OSU athletics receives TANF money?!? Dude, tone down the rhetoric. Are our public parks, schools, and transportation on welfare also? If you can't avoid using logical fallacies (in this case strawman) then why even have an adult discussion? Your point is clearly to degrade OSU, not discuss the issue in any serious way. You're embarrassing us other OU grads.

[jerrywall]

So about the topic of the thread....

I'm not so sure you can fire Holder. Overall, he has done a good job. He is a prick but he's good at what he does. The Ford contract is obviously a giant mistake and I'm sure he regrets it more than anyone. At the time, Ford looked to be a great hire and Kentucky was needing a coach so I believe Holder panicked and gave him a long contract so that he wouldn't leave for Kentucky. He has done a great job improving football season ticket sales. He has failed at the basketball ticket sales. He still has them at the final four prices from 2004 which is insane.

It's obvious Ford needs to go. He's a good recruiter but just doesn't seem to get his talent to play to their level. Who knows if anyone will step up to buy out his contract. Boone doesn't have the money he used to and I'm not sure who else could step up and donate $11 million and not think twice about that kind of money. Maybe Malone Mitchell? My hope is that now that Smart is back we can go on a little bit of a run to finish the season.

Side note: all it would take is every football season ticket holder donating $220 and we can finance Ford's buyout!

With the loss last night, that makes this season the first 7 game slide in 41 years. Yes, something needs to change. If the pokes don't win any of the next 5 games I think the money will materialize.

[ou48A]

Wait OSU athletics receives TANF money?!? Dude, tone down the rhetoric. Are our public parks, schools, and transportation on welfare also? If you can't avoid using logical fallacies (in this case strawman) then why even have an adult discussion? Your point is clearly to degrade OSU, not discuss the issue in any serious way. You're embarrassing us other OU grads.

Public parks, schools, and transportation have nothing to do with why OSU athletics takes state welfare.
Your inability to understand this fundamental difference is the only true embarrassment.

[ou48A]

So about the topic of the thread....

I'm not so sure you can fire Holder. Overall, he has done a good job. He is a prick but he's good at what he does. The Ford contract is obviously a giant mistake and I'm sure he regrets it more than anyone. At the time, Ford looked to be a great hire and Kentucky was needing a coach so I believe Holder panicked and gave him a long contract so that he wouldn't leave for Kentucky. He has done a great job improving football season ticket sales. He has failed at the basketball ticket sales. He still has them at the final four prices from 2004 which is insane.

It's obvious Ford needs to go. He's a good recruiter but just doesn't seem to get his talent to play to their level. Who knows if anyone will step up to buy out his contract. Boone doesn't have the money he used to and I'm not sure who else could step up and donate $11 million and not think twice about that kind of money. Maybe Malone Mitchell? My hope is that now that Smart is back we can go on a little bit of a run to finish the season.

Side note: all it would take is every football season ticket holder donating $220 and we can finance Ford's buyout!

Ch 9 KWTV sports said that it would take 10. 5 million dollars to buy out Fords contract? Has that figure been confirmed by other sources?
That seems very high for something like this.

[ou48A]

Also, the most recent report I saw was $1.8 million and not the $6+ million from 2011.

USA Today | Sports | COLLEGE

We will probably nee to wait until this summer to see more updated figures on subsidies.
In 2012 the only athletic departments that did not take any subsidies were LSU, Penn State, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Purdue and Texas.

[SOONER8693]

Oh, so you have something to contribute on Ford/Holder, which is what this thread is about?

No? Gonna throw in some high class words like "stoolwater" again? Just admit that you're an OSU obsessed OU bandwagon fanboy. Why you mad bro?

Please don't refer to me as "bro". Outside of this board, I would have nothing to do with a sad, little person like you. Now, I am through with you. You are dismissed.

[jerrywall]

Please don't refer to me as "bro". Outside of this board, I would have nothing to do with a sad, little person like you. Now, I am through with you. You are dismissed.

You really are sort of pathetic huh? Don't you have some other OSU threads to stalk? You'd think an OU fan would spend time on OU threads... but guess not.

Why so mad bro?

[Lafferty Daniel]

Ch 9 KWTV sports said that it would take 10. 5 million dollars to buy out Fords contract? Has that figure been confirmed by other sources?
That seems very high for something like this.

Why does that seem high? You realize Holder gave Ford a 10 year contract, don't you? When you have 5 years left on said contract, it's going to be a high buyout.

[jerrywall]

Why does that seem high? You realize Holder gave Ford a 10 year contract, don't you? When you have 5 years left on said contract, it's going to be a high buyout.

Yeah, and this contract was back loaded -

Ford Receives Contract Extension - Oklahoma State Official Athletic Site

The final 4 years are worth 2.8 million each. Uhg.