Fire Ford (and Holder)

[ou48A]

I'm embarrassed bc our high standards have been seriously compromised, but I am having difficulty seeing how this affects you.

Because if you’re a tax payer in Oklahoma some of it is your tax dollars being used in the embarrassment.


Those actions at osu can be held accountable by the states tax payers.

[ou48A]

Yes, your academic dept is on the rise now, and ours is falling. That had financial ramifications. Shocking I know.

That^ is about sports.

But at least the OSU student news paper gets it and moved on to the next poke sport on the rise. LOL

https://twitter.com/ocollysports

O'Colly Sports ‏@ocollysports 15h
Done with #OKState basketball? Josh Holliday has OSU baseball on the rise. By @CodyStavenhagen http://www.ocolly.com/sports/article...0.html*…

[OKCretro]

That^ is about sports.

But at least the OSU student news paper gets it and moved on to the next poke sport on the rise. LOL

https://twitter.com/ocollysports

O'Colly Sports ‏@ocollysports 15h
Done with #OKState basketball? Josh Holliday has OSU baseball on the rise. By @CodyStavenhagen http://www.ocolly.com/sports/article...0.html*…

great find... looks like the OSU PR firm is on overdrive this week

[ou48A]

Osu probably won't be able top make the NCAA basketball tournament next year because of low graduation rates but...
This might be how the pokes eventually run off Gundy?

The Swaim Show ‏@GSwaim · 46m
Hearing from inside that the dismal APR number for #OKState basketball may well be the loophole to the contract buyout, if needed.

[OKCisOK4me]

I only 'like' the part about the loophole...

Gundy doesn't need to go.

[SoonerDave]

Think the situation in which OSU finds itself is a direct consequence of having a sports benefactor who really, really likes one sport, but may not be so emotionally invested in the others. That is, T. Boone wanted a big-time football program, hired Holder to manage it per his wishes, while letting him manage the "other sports." Downside of that is...Holder has free reign to do just about as he wishes on those "other sports." Lots of folks around college basketball thought OSU was really pushing things to give Ford his 10-year contract back in, what was it, '09? Looking now like that concern was valid. Lots of folks seem to be falling in line with the idea that Ford isn't working, players aren't developing, and the program isn't excelling - to say nothing of how the current season has faltered.

Holder has, from what I've read, offered a somewhat less than endearing modus operandi in dealing with the "rest" of the athletic department - and I have no idea if that's true - but if it is, one has to wonder if a somewhat imperious attitude will serve OSU athletics well over the long term. On the flip side, one has to wonder if T. Boone can be "persuaded" to write a farewell check to Ford - but even if he does, is Pickens willing to let Holder have similar free reign to hire another basketball coach?

Pickens seems to be invested in OSU literally and figuratively, so surely he must be concerned about the recent steps within the athletic department, and more broadly, whether Holder is truly the guy to run those sports - particularly the ones not involving a football.

[Spartan]

Osu probably won't be able top make the NCAA basketball tournament next year because of low graduation rates but...
This might be how the pokes eventually run off Gundy?

The Swaim Show ‏@GSwaim · 46m
Hearing from inside that the dismal APR number for #OKState basketball may well be the loophole to the contract buyout, if needed.

Football's apr will be waived bc it's mostly due to nfl early exits or players kicked off. As for bball it's obv that program has continuously neglected to live up to OSU's standards.

I hope responding to you doesn't justify your ridiculous obsession with OSU. Its obv you have some kind of head injury - OSU is an exemplary land grant university, and though it's big enough that it's not all gravy like any other big place, it's excellence doesn't need to be justified to you. It's still one of the best universities in the country for probably 20-30 majors.

[ou48A]

http://newsok.com/power-lunch-chat-w...stom_click=rss
GilaPete - 10:56 a.m.
Berry, Do you think Coach Gundy is working any better with the media after his couple of altercations with DOK?

Berry Tramel 10:58 a.m.I only know of one altercation with the Oklahoman, and that was six years ago.

But Gundy is not working well with any media, except the in-house people.
I don't know why he wants to be at war with the media, but he obviously does and has succeeded.

[OKCretro]

Does Ford really live in Edmond?

[Snowman]

Does Ford really live in Edmond?

That seems like a crazy long commute, at least during the season for his job, most higher tier college coaches are going to be working a lot more hours than most jobs already. I don't remember what it is for basketball but I remember it was estimated the average college football head coach worked more than 100 hours a week during the season.

[Spartan]

I thought he lived on Western Rd a few doors down from Gundy?

http://newsok.com/power-lunch-chat-w...stom_click=rss
GilaPete - 10:56 a.m.
Berry, Do you think Coach Gundy is working any better with the media after his couple of altercations with DOK?

Berry Tramel 10:58 a.m.I only know of one altercation with the Oklahoman, and that was six years ago.

But Gundy is not working well with any media, except the in-house people.
I don't know why he wants to be at war with the media, but he obviously does and has succeeded.

Are you responding to GilaPete or Berry Tramel? Just curious bc it's obviously not anyone in this thread.

[OKCretro]

It said in the dok that he did, was just wondering

[onthestrip]

He lives in stillwater. I know his neighbor

[soonerguru]

Ford should be fired. So should Holder. Also, Boone needs to pony up the dough to cover the buyout. His boy got OSU into this mess with that ridiculous contract (that even Coach K at Duke would covet).

As for higher education funding, this state is going into the toilet with the current leadership. Anyone who values the improvement of our state (and the education of our citizens for economic development and quality of life) needs to read this timely commentary from David Boren:


Wake Up, Oklahoma!

David Boren: Wake up, Oklahoma! - Tulsa World: Opinion

[Spartan]

This ^

I love that Boren is outspoken on this. Wish Hargis wasn't so careful.

[soonerguru]

This ^

I love that Boren is outspoken on this. Wish Hargis wasn't so careful.

It's not about being "careful." It's about being Republican. Hargis is a smart guy but he won't buck Mary -- a proud OSU alum and the current torchbearer for the destruction of our state government and public education system. Honestly, the way things are going in the state, I'm fearful for OKC's future. I'm not convinced our city's economic prosperity can overcome the soul-destroying stupidity of the Fallin Administration / GOP legislative agenda.

Can you imagine a major tech employer surveying our state's budget priorities and deciding to locate a company here? Keating got bitschslapped by Boren when he tried to cut public funding while as governor he was trying to lure a major tech company. Guess what happened? The prospective employer saw the writing on the wall and went elsewhere. They made it clear they were looking for well-educated, qualified employees, and wanted to locate in an environment that put a priority on higher education. They actually said this!

Shrinking the number of college-educated citizens is a total death spiral for economic development.

Bchris should chime in here, but the reason North Carolina's economy exploded was borne from the great universities in the region, and the great talent pool of educated employees (and the research the universities provided).

When GE chose to locate in OKC, they mentioned the access to OU as a major reason. This is not rocket science. Can our governor learn from our successes? I've concluded Oklahoma is just wedded to oil and gas and doesn't prioritize anything else as far as economic development is concerned (and despite its sexy technology patina, the GE research facility is oil and gas-related). If they did, they would run the current leadership out on a rail, or at least demand that they not operate as semi-functioning morons.

How many unconstitutional abortion / anti-birth control bills will we see this session from this group? How many creationist / anti-science bills will we endure? Anti-immigration nonsense? Agenda 21-obsessed paranoia? This should be embarrassing to anyone with a firing synapse.

I don't think David has the stroke he used to, particularly with Mary (I get all my ideas from Heritage Foundation press releases) Fallin. Hargis is a shrinking violet and Boren's cabana boy. He will do nothing.

[Spartan]

You're absolutely right, but i'd caution against calling Fallin a proud OSU alum bc she sent her douche son to OU and spends more time at OU-Texas than any OSU games since being elected. She and Jari both used to show up at my fraternity's tailgate and Jari still does, despite not having graduated from OSU herself I think. She just likes it in Stillwater and I find that incredibly endearing.

Also I have always asked myself what Fallin has and will do for OSU. We're talking about a state university that has been completely rebuilt in the last 5 years with private donor money. We always get a smaller appropriation than OU no matter what meds ou48a forgot to take. I agree that Hargis is acting out of deference to Fallin but for what?? There's no benefit, just the wistful notion that an OSU alum can be successful in politics, and lord knows we have enough of those. We should be prouder of our alumni who are academics, scientists, policy analysts, military officers, CEOs, and others who contribute to society at very high levels. Not more damn OSU alumni politicos.

[catcherinthewry]

You're absolutely right, but i'd caution against calling Fallin a proud OSU alum bc she sent her douche son to OU

Stay classy, Cleveland.

[OKCretro]

this thread took a turn for the worse.

Instead of talking about the wonderful job Holder and Ford are doing, a few posters decided to start attacking the governor. This isn't a politics thread and I see in the future this thread being closed

[Spartan]

Huh?

These are truths, which refuting, might make one look small minded. As for Price I don't know him but my comment was satire, as I was quoting the locally famous satire kings:

Update: Toga! Toga! Toga! Mary Fallin?s son is having a frat party at the Governor?s Mansion next Friday. | The Lost Ogle

You can take that up with them. But that doesn't look like a proud OSU family to me, which is relevant in discussing an important relationship between OSU and the Fallins. Calling this a turn for the worse is hilarious bc this is a turn from what, ou48a and OKCretro and Laramie going back and forth with made-up tall tales they heard about OSU happenings? Sorry if an OSU discussion would be about actual leadership dynamics and not just OU fans making up crap "I can't remember exactly but I heard that.."

[SOONER8693]

I reciting this from memory from about a year ago so it might not be exactly correct but I believe it's reasonably accurate.

Currently the state of OK appropriates about 8 million dollars to each university to be used for athletics. For osu this represents over 10% of poke revenue.... OU takes this same money and gives it to the academic side of the university, I believe it currently goes to the OU library.... This has gone on for many decades and by diverting this money for many decades it has helped OU become a better university.

Although it has been stopped, for many decades OU athletics also sent any surplus money they had at the end of the year to its academics. This was common in the part of the 40's, 50's, 60' and part of the 70's and in total it amounted to millions of dollars when millions really were a lot of money.


OU varsity athletics has never taken state tax money like OSU still does...
OU athletics has funded some of the student intramural sports for normal students.

Since all OK tax payers have a voice in how their tax money used I feel they can complain when OSU people say that OSU has arrived....
osu hasn't arrived until they reach self sufficiency levels much less sending money to the subsidize academics. OU gives the states tax payers a much better value than OSU.

The state of OK should end the subsidization of osu athletics IMO.

ou48, You are dead right on with what you have posted. I like many OU grads, supporters have been sick and tired of supporting osu athletics all these years with our tax dollars. But, we know it will never end, since the osu apologists will make sure the state, media, etc, does everything they can to try and prop osu up to the level of OU. The osu spin machine will kick in anytime someone questions the practice of subsidizing aggie athletics with state money.

[onthestrip]

A thread about an OSU basketball coach as we get posts talking about sooner exceptionalism and talk of state appropriations that I've yet to see a source of.

And why is it usually the non-alums are the ones always taking things a little too personal?

[BoulderSooner]

It's not about being "careful." It's about being Republican. Hargis is a smart guy but he won't buck Mary -- a proud OSU alum and the current torchbearer for the destruction of our state government and public education system. Honestly, the way things are going in the state, I'm fearful for OKC's future. I'm not convinced our city's economic prosperity can overcome the soul-destroying stupidity of the Fallin Administration / GOP legislative agenda.

Can you imagine a major tech employer surveying our state's budget priorities and deciding to locate a company here? Keating got bitschslapped by Boren when he tried to cut public funding while as governor he was trying to lure a major tech company. Guess what happened? The prospective employer saw the writing on the wall and went elsewhere. They made it clear they were looking for well-educated, qualified employees, and wanted to locate in an environment that put a priority on higher education. They actually said this!

Shrinking the number of college-educated citizens is a total death spiral for economic development.

Bchris should chime in here, but the reason North Carolina's economy exploded was borne from the great universities in the region, and the great talent pool of educated employees (and the research the universities provided).

When GE chose to locate in OKC, they mentioned the access to OU as a major reason. This is not rocket science. Can our governor learn from our successes? I've concluded Oklahoma is just wedded to oil and gas and doesn't prioritize anything else as far as economic development is concerned (and despite its sexy technology patina, the GE research facility is oil and gas-related). If they did, they would run the current leadership out on a rail, or at least demand that they not operate as semi-functioning morons.

How many unconstitutional abortion / anti-birth control bills will we see this session from this group? How many creationist / anti-science bills will we endure? Anti-immigration nonsense? Agenda 21-obsessed paranoia? This should be embarrassing to anyone with a firing synapse.

I don't think David has the stroke he used to, particularly with Mary (I get all my ideas from Heritage Foundation press releases) Fallin. Hargis is a shrinking violet and Boren's cabana boy. He will do nothing.

Could we move the politics to that forum

[jerrywall]

ou48, You are dead right on with what you have posted. I like many OU grads, supporters have been sick and tired of supporting osu athletics all these years with our tax dollars. But, we know it will never end, since the osu apologists will make sure the state, media, etc, does everything they can to try and prop osu up to the level of OU. The osu spin machine will kick in anytime someone questions the practice of subsidizing aggie athletics with state money.

I know! Oklahoman's should only support the school with the most national championships? Oh, wait... hrm. That wouldn't work. That'd be OSU. How about the school with more national championships than but 3 schools in the country? Oh, wait, that's OSU too. Hr,, you're right, they are a joke.

Oh, wait, we should be upset because OSU generates so little income... oh wait, they're 3rd in the big 12 behind Texas and Oklahoma. Maybe we should be upset because they get state subsidies, unlike every other school in the big 12. Oh wait, every other school does except OU and Texas. Well, maybe nationally they're comparatively a sponge? Oh wait, no, pretty much every other division one school except for like 5 depend on a percentage of their athletics being subsidized. Well, maybe they're in the higher end of Div 1 schools in what percentage of their budget comes from subsidies. Hrm, nope. They're in the bottom rung. Hrm, so what seems to be the problem here? They're not OU? I can grant that. I think the only problem here are the OU fans who seem obsessed with OSU.

[Spartan]

Great post jerrywall ^ the joke is that OU people like to dictate "rules of engagement" for how OSU is to be discussed whenever they form a majority in a room (or message board). Conversely I know a lot more about the "other school" (relatively speaking) because I transferred from OU to OSU bc it was better for my interests, and I still shy away from making definitive characterizations of OU stuff just bc it's not my place.

Could we move the politics to that forum

Again, because this factual discussion gets in the way of the Sooner fans bloviating about how much they hate OSU? I'd recommend starting your own thread..this thread is about actual leadership issues.