Pete any idea what kind of concept this 4th pub would be?
Where would it go?
Pete any idea what kind of concept this 4th pub would be?
Where would it go?
I'm told it's a "different type of concept" and will go into a building that is changing hands; there is a signed letter of interest.
Waiting for the sale to close before revealing more, at the wishes of the involved parties.
Yes, the paseo apostolic church is in the strip west of it, and it is the biggest part of everything wrong with that stupid law. However, it looks to be at least 300 feet from the edge of the rise, unless they've expanded it to include the old queens beauty supply building.
Same in Norman like what Urbanized was describing... Almost all of the bars are actually pubs that sell quite a lot of food. I think the two things Norman has going for it many other places don't are centralized walkable business districts that are essentially setup perfectly for pubs, and a large demographic base to support them.
Is Urban Wineworks still open?
Yes it is, they were closed for about a week around New Years. Sign on the door said power was out. But back open got a bottle last night
Pretty sure there are numerous bars (not clubs) just in the Brady District alone that do not sell food or sell it on a very limited basis. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these, but the ones that come to mind are: Valkyrie, Soundpony, Yeti, Bar 46, Caz's (totally separate from the restaurant, right?). I think there are more just in the that one district. I can think of quite a few others in Tulsa too. Why does Tulsa seem to have such a different bar scene? However, I don't think Grandad 's serves food, right?
My guess is because of the slightly different culture up there. This isn't really a case of one is better than the other though. Tulsa, as far as I know, doesn't have as many dance clubs, ultra-lounges, or country oriented bars as OKC does. As far as bars like the ones you listed, OKC will likely start to see more of these kind of places within the next few years, and yes there is a difference between them and places that are primarily restaurants that happen to have a bar.
What does it matter if a bar serves food or not? A person can get just as drunk just as easy at a booze only bar as a bar with no food. No offense to you, but you have pushed this narrative that alcohol only establishments are somehow superior with nothing to back this up except that Tulsa is having some success with that model. Good for them...but have you thought that maybe consumers in different markets act differently? Do people really care that much one way or another?
I can say this. I would like to think I am somewhat typical of young professionals in this city. I much prefer going to a place that serves both food and drink because a) going to a drink only bar guarantees I will be smelling like an ashtray before the night is over, b) since we have such poor public transit and taxis in this city, I like to pace my drinking by being able to order food, and c) lots of restaurants around town can pad their profit margin with booze sales so they've stepped up their cocktail and drink offerings, many times exceeding that of a comparable bar.
Understand that the Blue Dome is a VERY young area. If I am correct its only really been around in its current form since 2011. Most bars aren't expected to make a profit after year 2 or 3, but after that they better start making some cash to stay afloat. They may find it difficult do so by being a drink only establishment with limited hours, so don't be surprised if a few start opening to lunch or dinner crowds. And it won't be the end of the world if that is the case.
This perception shows the importance of placemaking when it comes to developing districts. It wouldn't be difficult at all to retrofit Bricktown to have a more intimate feel. Then again, part of what makes it unique is the fact it was a former warehouse district and has maintained that gritty, warehouse district feel.
Back to discussion the Plaza District, this is the location of the proposed pub:
Blair Upholstery - OKCTalk
With DOKC at the helm, Bricktown now DOES have a very talented planner in AJ Kirkpatrick. Bricktown now benefits from having a well-oiled multi-faceted DOKC staff involved wherever their respective skill sets call for it. I have two different meetings next week involving separate planning-oriented topics, and AJ will be attending both. Mallory (the new program manager dedicated to the district) is a relationship builder, and Bricktown needed that, too.
Agree it's off-topic. If you'd like to discuss that more, let's move future conversation to the Bricktown thread.
Let me see what I can find out.
They did a "what should this property become?" feedback process on Popularise:
https://popularise.com/cities/4/neig...ojects/14/view
I said I want them to talk the owners of the Shoe Gypsy into reopening. Their shoes were much better suited to the Plaza crowd than the Nichols Hills crowd. I really miss them.
Regarding the farmhouse, Jeff Struble has plans to renovate the bottom floor for commercial (flex retail/office) and the upper floor into residential. Several restaurants were interested but nothing panned out. Personally, I think it's a better route as a transition from the residential into the commercial area. I don't think that end of the district can handle another restaurant until some parking issues are resolved. There are plans to increase walkability and parkability on Blackwelder between 15th & 16th in the works.
And since I just said the p-word, I'll go ahead and throw out that we are waiting to hear on some funding approval for a parking study similar to Western Avenue study done by OUIQC. I'm anxious to do the study and see the results so we can first learn how to manage existing parking better, maximize underutilized space, and increase lighting, safety and walkability on the residential streets surrounding the district. There are many opportunities that don't require big parking lots, and its my goal is to explore all of them as first priority. I have to keep repeating to myself that parking is a good problem, because it's not a fun one!
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