Charlie Strong to Texas

[bluedogok]

Ah yes, another man of Texas character:

Some times the media forces things out of sequence, Jurich was in Steamboat Springs and with the weather was having a hard time getting back to Louisville. I am sure they had hoped the lid could stay on the story until after Strong met with the players and administration. I don't put it on Strong as much as the media and people inside the situation leaking the story.

When Stoops took over he had a team full of good talent. Blake was a great recruiter but didn't have a clue as to how to run a program as a head coach. Talent was not a problem for Stoops. He won with Blake's players.

He won with some of Blake's players which is something Blake couldn't do because he had no clue as you stated. Without a QB like Huepel (or similar) they would have been better but floundered offensively just like they under Blake except they would have not had a different offensive scheme every week.

Wasn't Torrance Marshall a JC transfer after Stoops was hired?

[bhawes]

When Stoops took over he had a team full of good talent. Blake was a great recruiter but didn't have a clue as to how to run a program as a head coach. Talent was not a problem for Stoops. He won with Blake's players.

That what I been sailing how many coaches can get a new job and have that kind of talent already there most coaches has to rebuild from bottle up before they reach that talent level.

[bhawes]

Some times the media forces things out of sequence, Jurich was in Steamboat Springs and with the weather was having a hard time getting back to Louisville. I am sure they had hoped the lid could stay on the story until after Strong met with the players and administration. I don't put it on Strong as much as the media and people inside the situation leaking the story.


He won with some of Blake's players which is something Blake couldn't do because he had no clue as you stated. Without a QB like Huepel (or similar) they would have been better but floundered offensively just like they under Blake except they would have not had a different offensive scheme every week.

Wasn't Torrance Marshall a JC transfer after Stoops was hired?

Marshall was going to come any way because he was already being recruited before Stoops got there.

[bhawes]

When Stoops took over he had a team full of good talent. Blake was a great recruiter but didn't have a clue as to how to run a program as a head coach. Talent was not a problem for Stoops. He won with Blake's players.

That what I been sailing how many coaches can get a new job and have that kind of talent already there most coaches has to rebuild from bottle up before they reach that talent level.

[ljbab728]

That what I been sailing how many coaches can get a new job and have that kind of talent already there most coaches has to rebuild from bottle up before they reach that talent level.

I guess the problem is that they are trying to rebuild from the "bottle" up. LOL

Your point is only hit and miss. USC has had plenty of talent with new coaches and failed. Urban Meyer and Nick Saban have come in and had instant success with the talent already there.

[Zuplar]

Saw this on another forum, had to share.

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[dankrutka]

Only reason Stoop was a extreme exception he did not have start from scratch rebuilding the program the talent when he got here was better than most coach have when starting at a high profile school.

This is revisionist history in my opinion. NO ONE was talking about OU as having one of the most talented programs in the country during the three straight losing seasons prior to Stoops arrival. Stoops immediately brought in his own key players (e.g., Heupel, Torrance Marshall), moved a number of players into different positions who were not considered talented by recruiting services or the NFL, and brought in an offensive innovator in Mike Leach who created an offense for a team that had less talent on the line (Stoops just said this in a recent interview). It was great that Rocky Calmus (who barely played in the NFL) and Roy Williams were already on the roster, but let's not pretend that a lot of the other key players (e.g., the WRs, Seth Littrell, the entire offensive and defensive lines) were incredibly talented. Few even were invited to a NFL camp after their careers. What Stoops and his staff did with his first couple teams was tremendous.

The narrative that Blake was an amazing recruiter who left the cupboard full for Stoops is simply not true. OU had mediocre talent when Stoops arrived, he brought in key players, and got the most out of a bunch of other guys.

[dankrutka]

The team Stoops inherit he has not had a defence as good as that since he been at OU. That team Stoops inherit had Rocky Calmus, Roy Williams, Brandon Everage, Torrance Marshall, Teddy Lehman, Jimmy Wilkerson, Brandon Moore, Derrick Strait anchoring the defence all these guys were drafted in pros. Since that time Stoops has never had a defence with that much talent on Defence.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Stoops inherited all those players. Stoops arrived in 1999 and recruited several of the players you mentioned including Derrick Strait, Jimmy Wilkerson, and Teddy Lehman.

The best Stoops defense was in 2001 and it was dominated by Stoops-recruited players.

[dankrutka]

Anyway, back on topic, I think Strong is a great hire for Texas. If the culture truly changes with their new AD then Strong is a perfect fit. He's a tough-nosed disciplinarian who has succeeded everywhere he's been. As an OU fan, I wish they'd hired someone else because I think he'll be more successful than some of their supposed other topic picks (e.g., Jim Mora).

[ou48A]

This is revisionist history in my opinion. NO ONE was talking about OU as having one of the most talented programs in the country during the three straight losing seasons prior to Stoops arrival. Stoops immediately brought in his own key players (e.g., Heupel, Torrance Marshall), moved a number of players into different positions who were not considered talented by recruiting services or the NFL, and brought in an offensive innovator in Mike Leach who created an offense for a team that had less talent on the line (Stoops just said this in a recent interview). It was great that Rocky Calmus (who barely played in the NFL) and Roy Williams were already on the roster, but let's not pretend that a lot of the other key players (e.g., the WRs, Seth Littrell, the entire offensive and defensive lines) were incredibly talented. Few even were invited to a NFL camp after their careers. What Stoops and his staff did with his first couple teams was tremendous.

The narrative that Blake was an amazing recruiter who left the cupboard full for Stoops is simply not true. OU had mediocre talent when Stoops arrived, he brought in key players, and got the most out of a bunch of other guys.

This^ is correct

[ou48A]

Strong is already having acceptance problems with major UT benefactors



This is an indication of the depth of the problems at UT
http://collegespun.com/big-12/texas-...osition-coach#

Red McCombs: "I think they went about it wrong, and I think they made the selection wrong." @ESPN1250

Red McCombs: "I don't have any doubt Charlie is a fine coach. I think he'd probably make a fine position coach, maybe a coordinator." 5:36 PM - 6 Jan 2014

[bluedogok]

That is because McCombs (and Jamail) is used to running the program and didn't like the fact that Patterson didn't include them like Dodds did in years past. Just an 86 year old throwing a temper tantrum for not going after the guy he wanted (Gruden).

Dallas News - Texas booster Red McCombs calls it ‘kick in the face’ that he, other supporters weren’t involved in coaching search

[dankrutka]

Red McCombs: "I don't have any doubt Charlie is a fine coach. I think he'd probably make a fine position coach, maybe a coordinator." 5:36 PM - 6 Jan 2014

To suggest that an incredibly successful coordinator, coach, and your new head coach should maybe instead be a position coach is beyond foolish. What a moran. If this new AD can distance decision-making from these types of boosters then Texas has a much brighter future.

[ou48A]

There are many different very powerful factions at UT who have fought each other for influence going back for decades.
In some cases the descendents of of these powerful factions are likely to continue the infighting, to some degree, for another generation. Which can't do anything but help UT underachieve relative to their tremendous resources.