Ed Shadid Launches Formal Attack on MAPS 3 Conv Center in tandem with Mayoral Bid

[ljbab728]

An updated article in the Oklahoman including comments from two former mayors.

Citizens' group led by Ed Shadid calls for votes to strip MAPS 3 convention center, end tax collection early | News OK

Former Mayor Ron Norick says killing the planned MAPS 3 convention center would derail 20 years of “over-the-top” economic success and amount to a step backward for Oklahoma City.
“To step backwards is just a huge mistake and I don't believe the citizens of Oklahoma City will do that,” Norick said Friday.

[soonerguru]

An updated article in the Oklahoman including comments from two former mayors.

Citizens' group led by Ed Shadid calls for votes to strip MAPS 3 convention center, end tax collection early | News OK

Man, the three or four people willing to support Ed in public comments are getting smacked down tonight. People are seeing through this crap.

[catch22]

Man, the three or four people willing to support Ed in public comments are getting smacked down tonight. People are seeing through this crap.

I really wish Ed and his crap would just go away forever. This guy is not good. I don't want him anywhere near this city anymore, he is nothing but trouble.

[OKCisOK4me]

If progress is powder, Ed's trying to sniff it up with his almighty rolled up political dollar!

[tomokc]

This is divisiveness, plain & simple, finding things you don't like about a MAPS component in order to eliminate it.

MAPS PASSED. Support it. Build it. Patronize it. Be a proponent of the many good things about our city.

And turn your backs on those who would stop progress through divisiveness, negativity, controversy and self-promotion.

[catch22]

Remember he had "Nothing To Do" with the potential lawsuit against the city to cancel MAPS.

This guy does not have OKC's best interest at heart, he does not have your best interest at heart. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and he IS deceiving those willing to listen and believe his actions.

[Edgar]

Potential remake at South Boston convention center - Business - The Boston Globe
The chamber must be passing talking points around the country. We've got to build it to keep up with the Bostons if we're going to be big league. Their cc only lost $30 million last year. El Shadid is right to go after this windmill. It's going to be a $ pit and people like my 81 years mom will be on the hook for the billl. Sameo corporate welfare ruing our country- private profit, public loss. It's the chamber and the secretive plutocrats who have tarnished the MAPS brand with their textbook case of logrolling and bait&switch to move the cc up 30 months ahead of the projects people actually voted for.Ed is rightly performing his function as a city rep hoping to steer the town away from folly and deception. Think what half a billion would buy in enhancements that'd actaully benifit OKC residents.

[Edgar]

An updated article in the Oklahoman including comments from two former mayors.

Citizens' group led by Ed Shadid calls for votes to strip MAPS 3 convention center, end tax collection early | News OK

Shocking, a couple rich white chamber guys who profited nicely from their public service support this $ pit folly. thank God Humphreys ran for senate before he did real damage. Guy had a bizarre yen to raze the last existing Gold Dome. Had it in for the historic Walnut Creek bridge also. Go away sir.

[catch22]

Potential remake at South Boston convention center - Business - The Boston Globe
The chamber must be passing talking points around the country. We've got to build it to keep up with the Bostons if we're going to be big league. Their cc only lost $30 million last year. El Shadid is right to go after this windmill. It's going to be a $ pit and people like my 81 years mom will be on the hook for the billl. Sameo corporate welfare ruing our country- private profit, public loss. It's the chamber and the secretive plutocrats who have tarnished the MAPS brand with their textbook case of logrolling and bait&switch to move the cc up 30 months ahead of the projects people actually voted for.Ed is rightly performing his function as a city rep hoping to steer the town away from folly and deception. Think what half a billion would buy in enhancements that'd actaully benifit OKC residents.

That is not the point.

WE already voted on it, to tell the voters they simply aren't smart enough to know what they are voting for is insulting, disingenuous, and is a folly to the MAPS brand and the progress we have made as a city.

Besides, we could use a new one...good thing we voted on it already and we will get it. If we don't, I'm sure I will be pissed, as well as a whole host of other citizens who voted for this.

[Edgar]

That is not the point.

WE already voted on it, to tell the voters they simply aren't smart enough to know what they are voting for is insulting, disingenuous, and is a folly to the MAPS brand and the progress we have made as a city.

Besides, we could use a new one...good thing we voted on it already and we will get it. If we don't, I'm sure I will be pissed, as well as a whole host of other citizens who voted for this.

I would say the secretive plutocrats hiding the information necessary for the public to make an informed decision are the ones being disingenuous. Got a hunch not many outside the chamber junta would be much crushed.

[betts]

So a new bus system will not cost the taxpayers any money? Schools don't cost the taxpayers money? The Civic Center and Art Museum don't cost the taxpayers money? Your mom isn't supporting all of them? Almost everything a city builds costs money/loses money. City amenities individually may not satisfy the needs of any given individual, but as a whole they should satisfy the needs, improve quality of life for all. Some do so directly by providing a service or a quality of life amenity. Some do so indirectly, by improving the stature or perception of our city. Some bring in money from outside the city. That's why the MAPS concept works so well. It forces us to act unselfishly - to support things we might not want but other citizens will. As a group, we all get something, but we almost always have to vote for something we may not wAnt or use. But someone else wants it or will use it. That's fair.

[betts]

I would say the secretive plutocrats hiding the information necessary for the public to make an informed decision are the ones being disingenuous. Got a hunch not many outside the chamber junta would be much crushed.

You throw out these statements that sound like so much knee-jerk puppet-speak. Show us your data. Answer a question.

We would be crushed because there are voters who voted for a new convention center when they placed their vote. A plebiscite is a bond between the voters and the city and Ed wants to disregard democracy because it doesn't suit him. And yet he didn't even vote against it or bother to vote. He was a poor citizen then and now he's acting like a tyrant. To be honest with you, his behavior now actually makes all the sordid divorce details seem more plausible.

[soonerguru]

I would say the secretive plutocrats hiding the information necessary for the public to make an informed decision are the ones being disingenuous. Got a hunch not many outside the chamber junta would be much crushed.

Your "hunches" have proven to be wildly inaccurate so far.

I think Ed is poking the bear. No, not the "Chamber junta," (and by the way, I've heard David Glover use this exact term. is this you, David?) but the average people of this city who vote in city elections, who voted for MAPS 3. They're getting sick of Ed's sh-t.

[GaryOKC6]

Edgar I find it amazing how uninformed you really are. Do you actually believe what you are saying? You don't like the Chamber (big shock here, neither does Ed), but the real winners from MAPS are the citizens of OKC. We have come a long way since MAPS started and Maps is the reason. So, if Ed's campaign is the anti-maps, anti-chamber, undo the progress campaign. I wish him (you) luck.

[GaryOKC6]

Potential remake at South Boston convention center - Business - The Boston Globe
The chamber must be passing talking points around the country. We've got to build it to keep up with the Bostons if we're going to be big league. Their cc only lost $30 million last year. El Shadid is right to go after this windmill. It's going to be a $ pit and people like my 81 years mom will be on the hook for the billl. Sameo corporate welfare ruing our country- private profit, public loss. It's the chamber and the secretive plutocrats who have tarnished the MAPS brand with their textbook case of logrolling and bait&switch to move the cc up 30 months ahead of the projects people actually voted for.Ed is rightly performing his function as a city rep hoping to steer the town away from folly and deception. Think what half a billion would buy in enhancements that'd actaully benifit OKC residents.

Well thanks for changing my life Edgar. I have never in my life contributed to a political campaign until just now. I was so inspired by you that I just made a sizable online donation to Mick Cornett. Mick Cornett for Mayor

[Edgar]

Edgar I find it amazing how uninformed you really are. Do you actually believe what you are saying? You don't like the Chamber (big shock here, neither does Ed), but the real winners from MAPS are the citizens of OKC. We have come a long way since MAPS started and Maps is the reason. So, if Ed's campaign is the anti-maps, anti-chamber, undo the progress campaign. I wish him (you) luck.

The MAPSIII logroll and supression of relevant info from the voting public has soiled the franchise.

[Edgar]

Well thanks for changing my life Edgar. I have never in my life contributed to a political campaign until just now. I was so inspired by you that I just made a sizable online donation to Mick Cornett. Mick Cornett for Mayor

The chamber junta thanks you for supporting their lapdog. Poor Mick, now he's going top have to serve another term he never wanted with an adult on the 'shoe asking all the adult questions.

[betts]

The MAPSIII logroll and supression of relevant info from the voting public has soiled the franchise.

For you and your five friends here. So, what's Ed's plan to get the money to do anything, since his m.o. is to sow suspicion and paranoia about city tax projects? When can we the taxpayers believe a liar who is perfectly comfortable ignoring the will of his electorate? Recipe for disaster.

[Edgar]

For you and your five friends here. So, what's Ed's plan to get the money to do anything, since his m.o. is to sow suspicion and paranoia about city tax projects? When can we the taxpayers believe a liar who is perfectly comfortable ignoring the will of his electorate? Recipe for disaster.

Seems El Shadid just wants the best informed voting public and thinks the secretive plutocrats were deceptive in the promotion of the cc. It doesn't cost $, it saaaves $!

[BoulderSooner]

But on that basis, how do you know the CC would work at all?

The consultants we paid a ton of money to and that are considered experts said it would ONLY work with the hotel. Which is another way of saying it won't work without it.

We need a new CC either way. Ours is a joke for a city out size

[betts]

I think it is you Edgar who is deludED and misguidED. Seems like you've been drinking the Kool-aED.

[soonerguru]

Seems El Shadid just wants the best informed voting public and thinks the secretive plutocrats were deceptive in the promotion of the cc. It doesn't cost $, it saaaves $!

So Ed is fighting the "secretive and deceptive" plutocrats by lying and deceiving the people who voted for him? Makes sense.

[GaryOKC6]

The chamber junta thanks you for supporting their lapdog. Poor Mick, now he's going top have to serve another term he never wanted with an adult on the 'shoe asking all the adult questions.

The Chamber is also welcome. I support what they do as well Ed.

[catch22]

The chamber junta thanks you for supporting their lapdog. Poor Mick, now he's going top have to serve another term he never wanted with an adult on the 'shoe asking all the adult questions.

Are you saying you believe Mick will be re-elected?
That's probably the most accurate thing you have ever said (just that he will be serving again, not the other crap).

[mkjeeves]

<snip>The Civic Center and Art Museum don't cost the taxpayers money? Your mom isn't supporting all of them? Almost everything a city builds costs money/loses money. <snip>

Credit where credit is due:

Led by a $14.5 million capital grant from the Donald W. Reynolds Foundation and by an extraordinary outpouring of support from more the 500 foundations, corporations, and individual donors, the $40 million goal was reached to build and endow the new museum, entirely with private funds.

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