Phil Robertson FIRED from A & E

[OKVision4U]

There's no special carve-out for Christians. Speech is speech, protected (in theory) from government intrusion but not from contractual obligations.

Freedom of Religion is to all (not just Christians). I just stated how Phil was practicing his belief "at the time" in a NON work related event.

[Chadanth]

Freedom of Religion is to all (not just Christians). I just stated how Phil was practicing his belief "at the time" in a NON work related event.

Care to cite an actual law or court decision to back up your claim that he cannot be sanctioned by his employer?

[OKVision4U]

I think Im going to have to put you in the Prunepicker category and just stop responding to your posts because you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.

Whether you agree or not, doesn't change the Law / Constitution. In Phil's case, his practicing (witnessing) his "religion" will have merit in Federal Court. Period.

[kelroy55]

No, that is not correct. Phil put them all in the same category... as equal in the eyes of the Lord. Phil was quoting this portion of The LIving Word of God. All sin is the same, that is what Phil was speaing about.

I wonder if Phil wears mixed thread or does any labor on Sundays. Did he have a Hebrew servant? Did he sell his daughter as a slave?

[kelroy55]

Whether you agree or not, doesn't change the Law / Constitution. In Phil's case, his practicing (witnessing) his "religion" will have merit in Federal Court. Period.

Who denied him his 1st Amendment rights?

[OKVision4U]

If you and I were to mutually agree to sign a legal contract that restricted you from using any adjectives while under that contract. The 1st Amendment would not help you in any way if you chose to use an adjective while the contract was binding and I fired you.

In Federal Court, you would find that "legal contract" would be thrown-out and Non-binding in Phil's case. He is "practicing" his belief in a NON work related location or event. Witnessing as a Christian is a common practice. The Constitution / First Amendment buries ANY contract (or law) that prevents a person's access to that right.

[Jersey Boss]

This is what Jesus says about homosexuality: " "

[Chadanth]

In Federal Court, you would find that "legal contract" would be thrown-out and Non-binding in Phil's case. He is "practicing" his belief in a NON work related location or event. Witnessing as a Christian is a common practice. The Constitution / First Amendment buries ANY contract (or law) that prevents a person's access to that right.

Again, do you have anything to substantiate that?

[Jersey Boss]

In Federal Court, you would find that "legal contract" would be thrown-out and Non-binding in Phil's case. He is "practicing" his belief in a NON work related location or event. Witnessing as a Christian is a common practice. The Constitution / First Amendment buries ANY contract (or law) that prevents a person's access to that right.

So if one turns up a dirty UA at work, the claim of being a practicing Rastafarian trumps the employer firing you?

[Garin]

Care to cite an actual law or court decision to back up your claim that he cannot be sanctioned by his employer?

SEATTLE (AP) — A Seattle-area Muslim man who said his former employer fired him because of the beard he wears for religious reason has been awarded more than $66,000, although most of that will go to attorney fees.

Abdulkadir Omar said he doesn't care about the money.

"It's not even about the money," he said. "It's about standing up for something you believe in."

In 2011, Omar filed his federal lawsuit in Seattle against Sacramento, Calif.-based American Patriot Security, seeking back pay and unspecified damages for emotional pain and loss of enjoyment of life, among other reasons.

According to the lawsuit, Omar was hired by a local manager of the security company in May 2009 and earned $9 an hour guarding a FedEx warehouse in Kent, Wash. He said he started the same day he was hired, and was not told about the clean-shaven policy.

In November 2009, a supervisor from headquarters told him he had to shave his beard because of the policy. Omar refused, saying his beard is part of his religious beliefs. He was suspended, and fired the following spring, the lawsuit said.

An email inquiry to the security company on Wednesday was not immediately returned.

"I truly hope that my case shows millions of American Muslims when they stand up whether it's at work or school, that they will win," Omar said. "I stood up and I won. I want my case to serve as an example."

Born in Yemen, Omar said he immigrated to the United States when he was 10.

"I grew up in this country, I've been living here all of my life. Just like everybody else, I'm an American," he said.

The default judgment says that more than $50,000 of the $66,000 award is for attorney fees, while most of the rest goes to Omar, who said he was unemployed for nine months after being dismissed by American Patriot.

Omar sued the security firm with the help of the Washington chapter of the Council for American-Islamic Relations.

"Religious freedom is the law of the land," said Arsalan Bukhari, executive director of the Washington state CAIR office. "I think religious freedom is what makes American unique and we have very clear laws that states employers, schools must accommodate religious observances."

[Garin]

This is what Jesus says about homosexuality: " "

Genesis 19:1-13

1The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square." 3But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 5They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." 9"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here--sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it." (NIV)

[Chadanth]

SEATTLE (AP) — A Seattle-area Muslim man who said his former employer fired him because of the beard he wears for religious reason has been awarded more than $66,000, although most of that will go to attorney fees.

Abdulkadir Omar said he doesn't care about the money.

"It's not even about the money," he said. "It's about standing up for something you believe in."

In 2011, Omar filed his federal lawsuit in Seattle against Sacramento, Calif.-based American Patriot Security, seeking back pay and unspecified damages for emotional pain and loss of enjoyment of life, among other reasons.

According to the lawsuit, Omar was hired by a local manager of the security company in May 2009 and earned $9 an hour guarding a FedEx warehouse in Kent, Wash. He said he started the same day he was hired, and was not told about the clean-shaven policy.

In November 2009, a supervisor from headquarters told him he had to shave his beard because of the policy. Omar refused, saying his beard is part of his religious beliefs. He was suspended, and fired the following spring, the lawsuit said.

An email inquiry to the security company on Wednesday was not immediately returned.

"I truly hope that my case shows millions of American Muslims when they stand up whether it's at work or school, that they will win," Omar said. "I stood up and I won. I want my case to serve as an example."

Born in Yemen, Omar said he immigrated to the United States when he was 10.

"I grew up in this country, I've been living here all of my life. Just like everybody else, I'm an American," he said.

The default judgment says that more than $50,000 of the $66,000 award is for attorney fees, while most of the rest goes to Omar, who said he was unemployed for nine months after being dismissed by American Patriot.

Omar sued the security firm with the help of the Washington chapter of the Council for American-Islamic Relations.

"Religious freedom is the law of the land," said Arsalan Bukhari, executive director of the Washington state CAIR office. "I think religious freedom is what makes American unique and we have very clear laws that states employers, schools must accommodate religious observances."

The article don't make mention of any contract between the company and the plaintiff. I wonder what arrangement they had.

[Chadanth]

Genesis 19:1-13

1The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square." 3But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 5They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." 9"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here--sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it." (NIV)

Jesus wrote genesis?

Leviticus 19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

My poly/cotton blend multicam shirt would have me on death row....

[Jersey Boss]

Genesis 19:1-13

1The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2"My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning." "No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square." 3But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house. 5They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." 6Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof." 9"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here--sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it." (NIV)

New testament references only please. You can't pick and choose what Jewish Law you want to follow today.

[Just the facts]

None of this matters now anyhow as word from inside A&E says they are just waiting until the Holidays get by so everyone forgets about it and they can quietly drop their Phil-ban, which they are now calling a suspension and not a firing.

[OKVision4U]

Garin, just provided this example. In Federal Court, a corporations "hand book" does NOT carry any weight when it restrict(s) the First Amendment. I think we should all be happy it is set up this way.

Like I said, all groups ( Gov / Corps / Entities ) must follow the Rules of the Road.

[Chadanth]

None of this matters now anyhow as word from inside A&E says they are just waiting until the Holidays get by so everyone forgets about it and they can quietly drop their Phil-ban, which they are now calling a suspension and not a firing.

Didn't they always call it a suspension? They know their cash cow, despite his controversies. It's not as though they did it know what they were getting into. Also, I doubt much of the Duck Dynasty audience is offended by what he said. What he said to GQ was obtuse and dumb, but not particularly offensive. Some of the other videos floating around are worse.

[OKVision4U]

The article don't make mention of any contract between the company and the plaintiff. I wonder what arrangement they had.

...the Constitution OVER-RIDES any contract or law.

[Jersey Boss]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "shenanigans" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Garin]

I hope they leave A&E and go somewhere else. A&E will just have to find their next honey boo boo. God help us all. And as for Cracker Barrel I hope their patrons see them for what they really are spineless. UNtil Christians start taking up for themselves they will just continued to be discriminated against by the left and the small minorities that hate them.

[Garin]

New testament references only please. You can't pick and choose what Jewish Law you want to follow today.

Its all God's word if it weren't important it wouldn't have been written.

[kelroy55]

None of this matters now anyhow as word from inside A&E says they are just waiting until the Holidays get by so everyone forgets about it and they can quietly drop their Phil-ban, which they are now calling a suspension and not a firing.

I thought it was a suspension from the start, this is the only place where I saw it said fired.

[Chadanth]

Its all God's word if it weren't important it wouldn't have been written.

No bacon for you then.

[kelroy55]

Its all God's word if it weren't important it wouldn't have been written.

So you take literally everything that's in the Bible?

[OKVision4U]

You don't have a constitutional right to a tv show. He government didn't step in, or prohibit his speech. He wasn't jailed. He wasn't silenced. He spoke his mind, and his employer, or an entity he is contractually obligated to, apparently didn't like it. His rights weren't violated unless A&E violated a portion of their contract, which we are not privy to. So no, his "civil rights" are not in question.

Chadanth / onthestrip , does the example of Garin in Seattle, help your understanding of the First Amendment in Federal Courts? ...and their position w/ corporations? ...re: Religous Practices.