So much for the Earth and the universe is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old

[Chadanth]

That's exactly what you're doing. You refuse to accept it so you reject
it. That's not very scientific. In fact, it's not scientific at all.

I reject anything that isn't evidence based, or at least put it on hold. I reject arguments based on faith alone.

[Prunepicker]

... I just don't want creation myths being taught in science class or
self-authenticating religious texts being taught as infallible history.

This is where you leave science and hope for your biases.

Please tell how creation came about. Try to do it in a logical and
reasoned method instead of the usual belittling and demeaning manner
that you've been using. I'll await your answer.

[venture]

I understand and agree completely. I'm an historian. I wouldn't use the Bible as a source beyond contestation by any means. I obviously don't follow the literalist tradition given my previous statement on creationism.

Brett...I completely respect your position. I totally understand your position and share a few of the same thoughts. Everything in life is balance and it is only natural we want to keep learning. The concern arrives when we start shutting down an open mind to alternate ways of thinking. Don't let the snake get under your skin as you now appear to be a target. It's their S. O. P. which is well known on this board. It is always entertaining that the burden of proof is ALWAYS on someone else and they refuse to take responsibility for their own comments and provide the support for their statements. It's always "you are biased", "you aren't providing any evidence" or other similar statements.

So thank you for your comments and I appreciate and support your position. I think most reasonable and mature people in this conversation feel the same way.

[Prunepicker]

... So thank you for your comments and I appreciate and support your
position. I think most reasonable and mature people in this conversation
feel the same way.

It would be very cool if you could bolster your support with science, not
that you can. But it would be cool.

I'll await your non answer. LOL Too bad that logic and reason don't
support your unscientific thoughts.

[OKCisOK4me]

It would be very cool if you could bolster your support with science, not
that you can. But it would be cool.

I'll await your non answer. LOL Too bad that logic and reason don't
support your unscientific thoughts.

It would be very cool if you could bolster your science (belief in the holy trinity) with support (physical evidence), not
that you can. But it would be cool.

[Prunepicker]

It would be very cool if you could bolster your science (belief in the holy
trinity) with support (physical evidence), not that you can. But it would
be cool.

What are you talking about? I already have. You're mistaken and you
have no evidence to the contrary. Venture is very good at not supporting
his claims. In fact they rarely involve science, logic or reason. He's very
much an ad populum type of person.

You and I both know that.

[OKCisOK4me]

What are you talking about? I already have. You're mistaken and you
have no evidence to the contrary. Venture is very good at not supporting
his claims. In fact they rarely involve science, logic or reason. He's very
much an ad populum type of person.

You and I both know that.

Plain and simple Prunepicker, do you really believe the earth is only 6 to 10,000 years old?

This thread totally derailed a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

[soonerguru]

I've been told Prunepicker is a very nice guy. I have not had the pleasure of meeting him. But part of me wonders if his role here is to remind us all of our relative sanity.

[okcboomer]

So why exactly is it ok to mock and denigrate what other people believe? I already stated I didn't want Prunepicker and Garin representing me, but they are entitled to what they believe. Those of you who don't believe didn't like it when they laid down statements of faith and expected you to accept it.

Having this kind of "dialogue" serves no one and will only make it more and more difficult for science and religion to have any kind of communication. We need the two to be able to have open and respectful dialogue, not become involved in mockery and outright rejection. I'm a professing Christian; I believe that Christ is the Son of God and died to redeem me of my sins. I also believe the Earth is 4.6 billion years and don't find the Big Bang Theory and God mutually exclusive. Am I worthy of your mockery? What exactly does that do to further anything constructive?

I'm not going to preach to you about my faith. I'm still very "new" in my understandings. I'd be happy to have discussions with anyone over PM should they wish. But I also don't think it is acceptable to constantly mock Christians and those of other religions. Maturity would be nice. /rant over

Wait a second......... So asking a completely legit question is now mocking? Maybe you can answer for me since pp dodged the question. People will say god made the beautiful morning, but won't say he made the f5 tornado that kills people? Why is that?

[Dubya61]

Wait a second......... So asking a completely legit question is now mocking? Maybe you can answer for me since pp dodged the question. People will say god made the beautiful morning, but won't say he made the f5 tornado that kills people? Why is that?

I'll happily dodge the question, too, as I doubt its anything more than a fishing expedition for more ammunition. If you really wish to become educated about the nature of God, don't go to a chat forum. Study a well-reviewed text or discuss it with a reasonable, educated person in person, instead. If you wish to see the Old Testament Christian exposition of the concept, read the book of Job.

[td25er]

This is the best thread ever. Either Prune is getting the biggest beat down of all time, or he is the best troll of all time. Either way, good stuff!

[venture]

This is the best thread ever. Either Prune is getting the biggest beat down of all time, or he is the best troll of all time. Either way, good stuff!

You are wrong. You have no proof of this beat down or any trolling activity. There is no thread. The US troops have not entered Baghdad...

[Midtowner]

Seriously?

Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

/thread.

[kelroy55]

Plain and simple Prunepicker, do you really believe the earth is only 6 to 10,000 years old?

This thread totally derailed a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago.

You won't get a straight answer if you get one at all.

[OKCisOK4me]

I've been told Prunepicker is a very nice guy. I have not had the pleasure of meeting him. But part of me wonders if his role here is to remind us all of our relative sanity.

He is definitely a very nice guy, I can attest to that, as we were both at one of the meet-ups.

[venture]

You won't get a straight answer if you get one at all.

What is an answer? Do you have proof to back up your claim that there is such a thing? No you don't. You are just making it up. Your bias for believing in this answers is clear. Come back when you have proof.

[okcboomer]

I'll happily dodge the question, too, as I doubt its anything more than a fishing expedition for more ammunition. If you really wish to become educated about the nature of God, don't go to a chat forum. Study a well-reviewed text or discuss it with a reasonable, educated person in person, instead. If you wish to see the Old Testament Christian exposition of the concept, read the book of Job.

Lol. Ammunition? really? It's a very straight foreword question. It's sad how Christians always feel like the victims. Always mistreated and defensive.

[Prunepicker]

About the article in the original post. It's not told what method was
used, only that it's new.

[Dustin]

Seriously?

Age of the Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

/thread.

That's not enough proof for Prune. You need to build a time machine and take him back billions of years and let him witness the formation of the earth. Until then, God made the heavens and the earth and there is nothing you can show him that will change his mind.

[Prunepicker]

That's not enough proof for Prune...

Ya gotta love personal attacks. They bring intelligent discourse to
a different level.

[hoya]

Turning the tables just a little bit, I don't have any more problem believing in the three persons/one god thing, despite the lack of any physical evidence, than I do believing there are 27 separate dimensions that we cannot measure or observe just so that they can get the math to work properly on string theory. Dark matter is the name we have given to why our measurements of the mass of the universe are not correct.

I think mocking someone because they believe something that cannot be observed or proven, and then basing your own worldview on other factors that cannot be observed or proven shows a distinct lack of self-awareness.

[Midtowner]

Turning the tables just a little bit, I don't have any more problem believing in the three persons/one god thing, despite the lack of any physical evidence, than I do believing there are 27 separate dimensions that we cannot measure or observe just so that they can get the math to work properly on string theory. Dark matter is the name we have given to why our measurements of the mass of the universe are not correct.

I think mocking someone because they believe something that cannot be observed or proven, and then basing your own worldview on other factors that cannot be observed or proven shows a distinct lack of self-awareness.

I think mocking them is just fine when all of science disagrees with them.

--keep in mind we know the differences of dogma vs. science. If science could prove right now that the Earth is 6,000 years old and Jesus Christ rode around on pterodactyls, whoever published that paper would be peer reviewed and then get to cash their Nobel Prize check.

[td25er]

Why does God allow babies to be murdered?
Why does God send people to Hell even if they've NEVER had exposure to Christianity of any kind, like remote tribes in the Amazon?

[kelroy55]

Why does God allow babies to be murdered?
Why does God send people to Hell even if they've NEVER had exposure to Christianity of any kind, like remote tribes in the Amazon?

How do you know if they went to hell or not?

[Garin]

I think mocking them is just fine when all of science disagrees with them.

--keep in mind we know the differences of dogma vs. science. If science could prove right now that the Earth is 6,000 years old and Jesus Christ rode around on pterodactyls, whoever published that paper would be peer reviewed and then get to cash their Nobel Prize check.

Who out numbers who? Those that believe in a creator or those that believe only in science? The later is a very small minority in this discussion.