So much for the Earth and the universe is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old

[Prunepicker]

[Chadanth]

Can the science community create a human being from scratch without using something from the human to start with? Sort like a big bang moment.

At this moment, no. That's certainly no reason to capitulate and just say "god did it all". Just because we don't understand something at this moment is no reason to stop learning. We didn't know what caused disease 100 years ago, and we've made incredible strides in immunology, but no scientist will tell you that we are on the the downward slope of medical research. As soon as you figure out one thing, you realize how much more there is.

[Garin]

Ok something simpler how about a blade of grass.

[Garin]

I think it was created by God on the second or third day. How else could it have happened we all know man can't do it.

[Prunepicker]

Just a few months ago we couldn't confirm the existence of the Higgs
Boson either.

Don't include me int the WE or in the church of yesteryear. As you
know there is no evidence that there isn't a God. But there is an very
large amount of evidence that shows man to be lacking in the knowledge
of the universe and it's coming into existence.

[Prunepicker]

I'm very interested in having a sensible discussion. Why do you think I'm
not interested?

Your response didn't depict a willingness to discuss this any further.
I apologize since it appears I was in the wrong.

[Garin]

God the Father , The Son , The Holy Spirit.

It's obvious that science has done some amazing stuff. I find it sad though that something so simple as a blade of grass can't be reproduced, but yet that same crowd thinks it just happened by chance.

[Garin]

"Science and religion can be compared to the layers of an onion. Science starts on the outside and peels off layer after layer as new knowledge is acquired. But science can never get to the center of the onion because science can't go back to the beginning of eternity to KNOW what started it all. Religion starts at the center of the onion and words its way outward. It starts at the center because religion requires a leap of FAITH... religion already knows what's at the center of that onion and the answer is god. It is those layers of onion that keep me from accepting theories like the "big bang' theory as the finite answer to creation. So… maybe there was a big bang, but what's under the next layer of onion? What came before the big bang? Something has to exist to make something else. That something may only be a chemical element, an atom, or a part of an atom… but where did that atom come from? Energy doesn't just create itself. This is where faith comes in handy, because it allows us to say "Yes, I believe that god is at the center of the onion. I don't have empirical evidence that he is there, but I don't have any empirical evidence that he's not there, so I'm going to believe it anyway." In my case, I believe that I do have evidence - in that blade of grass."

[Garin]

For me the evidence is everything that surrounds me. I sometimes just stand in awe at the perfection he created for us.

[Garin]

[QUOTE=Sid Burgess;718878]But you are making the entire existence of a deity based on your understanding of science. In the 50s, we didn't know how to land on the moon. In the 60s, we did.

I'm not all sure about that why have we not been back and why has nobody else been there?

[Chadanth]

I think it was created by God on the second or third day. How else could it have happened we all know man can't do it.

(Face palm)

[Chadanth]

Don't include me int the WE or in the church of yesteryear. As you
know there is no evidence that there isn't a God. But there is an very
large amount of evidence that shows man to be lacking in the knowledge
of the universe and it's coming into existence.

Not having perfect understanding of a massive, by human estimation infinite, universe, is not evidence of the divine.

[Chadanth]

"Science and religion can be compared to the layers of an onion. Science starts on the outside and peels off layer after layer as new knowledge is acquired. But science can never get to the center of the onion because science can't go back to the beginning of eternity to KNOW what started it all. Religion starts at the center of the onion and words its way outward. It starts at the center because religion requires a leap of FAITH... religion already knows what's at the center of that onion and the answer is god. It is those layers of onion that keep me from accepting theories like the "big bang' theory as the finite answer to creation. So… maybe there was a big bang, but what's under the next layer of onion? What came before the big bang? Something has to exist to make something else. That something may only be a chemical element, an atom, or a part of an atom… but where did that atom come from? Energy doesn't just create itself. This is where faith comes in handy, because it allows us to say "Yes, I believe that god is at the center of the onion. I don't have empirical evidence that he is there, but I don't have any empirical evidence that he's not there, so I'm going to believe it anyway." In my case, I believe that I do have evidence - in that blade of grass."

By your very argument, god had to have a predecessor. Who was that?

[Chadanth]

For me the evidence is everything that surrounds me. I sometimes just stand in awe at the perfection he created for us.

Perfect? How is the appendix perfect? It serves no purpose yet kills numerous people? That's just one. Explain. Now.

[Chadanth]

Primitive religions were designed to explain the unknown. Why does the sun rise in the east and set in the west? Well, some sub-deity pulls it across the sky. Why do we have seasons? Well, different deities control different aspects of life at different times. Etc. It goes on ad infinitum. Fact is, as we replace the unknown with knowledge, religion becomes less useful. If you want to use it to infuse social order, or morality, that's a legitimate use. But believing in a young planet or creation puts you on the wrong side of knowledge and progress. I don't doubt that many on here will go to their graves believing that the earth was made in 6 days and that science is hokum. Thankfully, their type is disappearing.

[RadicalModerate]

Primitive religions were designed to explain the unknown. Why does the sun rise in the east and set in the west? Well, some sub-deity pulls it across the sky. Why do we have seasons? Well, different deities control different aspects of life at different times. Etc. It goes on ad infinitum. Fact is, as we replace the unknown with knowledge, religion becomes less useful. If you want to use it to infuse social order, or morality, that's a legitimate use. But believing in a young planet or creation puts you on the wrong side of knowledge and progress. I don't doubt that many on here will go to their graves believing that the earth was made in 6 days and that science is hokum. Thankfully, their type is disappearing.

You don't actually believe that "the sun rises in the east and sets in the west"? Do you?
I'm sure that you don't. On account o' that would be sorta ignorant and/or uninformed.
In fact, it may be related to the advice, in The Bible, regarding not getting involved in pointless arguments that "profiteth" nobody.

[Uncle Slayton]

By your very argument, god had to have a predecessor. Who was that?

You're very clever, young man...but it's turtles all the way down.

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

Perfect? How is the appendix perfect? It serves no purpose yet kills numerous people? That's just one. Explain. Now.

Or the part where there's an amusement park in the middle of a waste disposal facility right between your legs...Or where we eat and breathe out of the same hole (how many people choke to death on their food every year?)...We should have a blowhole.

If we were "designed", then we better be a beta test design...Because we've got some issues.


/thanks NDGT

[Garin]

Perfect? How is the appendix perfect? It serves no purpose yet kills numerous people? That's just one. Explain. Now.

"For years, the appendix was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults. Endocrine cells appear in the appendix of the human fetus at around the 11th week of development. These endocrine cells of the fetal appendix have been shown to produce various biogenic amines and peptide hormones, compounds that assist with various biological control (homeostatic) mechanisms. There had been little prior evidence of this or any other role of the appendix in animal research, because the appendix does not exist in domestic mammals."

[Chadanth]

Or the part where there's an amusement park in the middle of a waste disposal facility right between your legs...Or where we eat and breathe out of the same hole (how many people choke to death on their food every year?)...We should have a blowhole.

If we were "designed", then we better be a beta test design...Because we've got some issues.


/thanks NDGT

One of my favorite NDGT's

“When scientifically investigating the natural world, the only thing worse than a blind believer is a seeing denier.”

[trousers]

"For years, the appendix was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults. Endocrine cells appear in the appendix of the human fetus at around the 11th week of development. These endocrine cells of the fetal appendix have been shown to produce various biogenic amines and peptide hormones, compounds that assist with various biological control (homeostatic) mechanisms. There had been little prior evidence of this or any other role of the appendix in animal research, because the appendix does not exist in domestic mammals."

You have a rather arbitrary way of choosing when to use/disregard science.

[Chadanth]

"For years, the appendix was credited with very little physiological function. We now know, however, that the appendix serves an important role in the fetus and in young adults. Endocrine cells appear in the appendix of the human fetus at around the 11th week of development. These endocrine cells of the fetal appendix have been shown to produce various biogenic amines and peptide hormones, compounds that assist with various biological control (homeostatic) mechanisms. There had been little prior evidence of this or any other role of the appendix in animal research, because the appendix does not exist in domestic mammals."

And then it spends the latter portion of its life getting infected and trying to kill you...

[Garin]

Or the part where there's an amusement park in the middle of a waste disposal facility right between your legs...Or where we eat and breathe out of the same hole (how many people choke to death on their food every year?)...We should have a blowhole.

If we were "designed", then we better be a beta test design...Because we've got some issues.


/thanks NDGT

Would you rather piss or crap out of your forehead instead? Lol

Chew your food well and you won't choke.

And in your theory did man come first or woman? Or did they both just happen by chance?

[Garin]

And then it spends the latter portion of its life getting infected and trying to kill you...

This is another question for the science community to answer I know tons of people that have an appendix and haven't died yet, maybe just maybe the appendix gets infected because of something the person has done or eaten or drank. It obviously serves a purpose in the developmental stages of life , but you can also live without it just like a kidney, gallbladder ,ears, fingers, arms, legs,eyes,and so on duh.

[Chadanth]

This is another question for the science community to answer I know tons of people that have an appendix and haven't died yet, maybe just maybe the appendix gets infected because of something the person has done or eaten or drank. It obviously serves a purpose in the developmental stages of life , but you can also live without it just like a kidney, gallbladder ,ears, fingers, arms, legs,eyes,and so on duh.

Scientists discover true function of appendix organ - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

"The thing is that if we observe what's been happening through evolution, the higher on the evolutionary scale we are and the more omnivorous animals become, then the smaller and less important the appendix becomes and humans are a good example of that.