OKC Mayor Race 2014

[Plutonic Panda]

I PM'd ES a link to this thread so maybe he might come here and try to say something. I think others should do the same.

https://www.facebook.com/ed.shadid.1?fref=ts

[Urban Pioneer]

Who cares?

What's done is done. We voted on it. For an individual politician and his supporters to do anything but implement MAPS 3 is condescending and patronizing to the voters.

It stinks of ego.

[Plutonic Panda]

Here is an interview by him: A chat with mayoral candidate Dr. Ed Shadid (Part 3) | Red Dirt Report

A couple of interesting key notes

“The truth is we’ve largely been without a mayor for the last couple of years because he’s physically not been here, he’s emotionally not here, he’s not speaking to the council. He’s checked out,” Shadid said.

that's bs

“What (Cornett’s absence and indifference) does is that it tips the balance more towards the city manager, more towards outside special interests who exert their influence and it’s not healthy for the city,” Shadid said. “And I cannot imagine another four years of him, as disengaged as he was these last two years.”

that's bs

“He gave an uninspired talk, poorly researched with no new ideas and no explanation as to why he has led us astray and why he misled the people,” Shadid said.

that's bs, well I think it is. Mick is a very inspiring figure to me and he has came out with plenty of new ideas. His "old" ones are just so massive and game changing, it takes time to get them going before we can move on to the next big thing, imo.

“I applaud him for getting the conversation going, now we need a physician to take this to the next level.”

more bs. . . what exactly is a physician going to do to help the city? That was a very weird thing to say. . .

Follow this guy closely and it appears he is good at making speeches that point out what is wrong and how his other fellow competitor is disconnected and slacking off. It's the same classic political argument. What scares me is that he is very good at making baseless arguments about the problems and so on, and the uninformed voters will eat it up and as everyone here knows, there is no shortage of uninformed voters.

[betts]

The polling, that brings up an interesting question Betts. Should MAPSIII projects been addressed in order of decreasing popularity?

When you answer the questions we've asked, I'll answer yours.

[kevinpate]

Edgar, meet pwned.

[PhiAlpha]

Good call and I am one that constantly questions him because I hate uninformed people and I consider him really uninformed. I will do my best to constantly ask what ES will do once he becomes Mayor.

I'm guilty as well, I'm making myself stop.

[PhiAlpha]

I'd like to know what innovative ideas (and not the old standby lets have better bus shelters - that's been around for years) that ES has come up with and pushed through as a councilman ?

Man dallas has some pretty sweet bus shelters...I know where I'm moving...

[ljbab728]

I PM'd ES a link to this thread so maybe he might come here and try to say something. I think others should do the same.

https://www.facebook.com/ed.shadid.1?fref=ts

Plupan, I have no doubt that Ed has been well aware of this thread for a long time. He's not going to come here under his name to post anything.

[Bellaboo]

Ed even came to the OKCTALK get together this summer at Dunlop Codding....... He individually spoke to a few, but he avoided me though for whatever reason......

[Edgar]

Man dallas has some pretty sweet bus shelters...I know where I'm moving...

Do you have any moral issues with your city building a free trolley with cozy shelters to serve the mostly affluent while low income riders sit in the elements and have fares increased?

[Urban Pioneer]

"the mostly affluent"- There is nothing backing this up. This myth was created by Ed Shadid and Pete White. They obviously do not care to know about the diversity of housing downtown or appreciate the fact that all types of citizens use downtown services and institutions if not work there.

Ed Shadid also had an opportunity to work with the MAPS 3 Subcommittee to build support for broader transit investments (including more bus shelters). Instead, he pursued attacking the committee members and the process.

Edgar, your uninformed posts do nothing but illuminate Ed's failed opportunities and irresponsible behavior.

[Edgar]

When you answer the questions we've asked, I'll answer yours.

Like I've said, ed is running to be mayor of all of OKC. Mick never has been nor had any interest in serving in that capacity. Dr Shadid would do his best to bring city governanace out from the secret meetings of a few plutocrats that produced half baked schenes like MAPSIII. He's stated he'd make appointments to boards and commission that would more accurately reflect the diversity of culture and innovation in OKC. Being who he is and what he stands for would insantly give a more progressive and diverse face to the city, something we can all agree Ok needs desperately. Glad I could help.

[Urban Pioneer]

Mick "has never been nor had any interest"- I distinctly remember Mick being a suburban candidate with the "plutocrats" favoring "insider" candidate Jim Tolbert. Mick was the under dog.

Diversity of appointments is only defined by the makeup of those who volunteer to serve. You guys at the Ed Shadid campaign make it sound as though the current mayor is racially profiling candidates rather than being constricted by the diversity of the people actually willing to volunteer.

[CaptDave]

Diversity of appointments is only defined by the makeup of those who volunteer to serve. You guys at the Ed Shadid campaign make it sound as though the current mayor is racially profiling candidates rather than being constricted by the diversity of the people actually willing to volunteer.

Otherwise known as lying.

Which is it Edgar? Ignorance or dishonesty as the basis for your statements?

I lean toward the latter because you have had ample opportunity to understand how baseless your accusations really are. Since you seem to believe you represent the Shadid campaign (or at least his constituency base) in some capacity, should we assume that is the modus operandi we can expect from a Mayor Shadid?

[Edgar]

Ed even came to the OKCTALK get together this summer at Dunlop Codding....... He individually spoke to a few, but he avoided me though for whatever reason......

were you open carrying Bell?
Curious, was he shunned at an OKCTALK get together?

[Bellaboo]

were you open carrying Bell?
Curious, was he shunned at an OKCTALK get together?

First off, I don't own a gun.... Ed came in all smiles, shook very few hands, listened to Bradley Wynn speak about Film Row, walked up front and said goodbye to Pete, then left.

I would have spoken to him, he doesn't intimidate me in the least.

He was not shunned.....but then again, Urban Pioneer and Mick Cornett's daughter in law (I think that was her) was in attendance.

Upon further thought, maybe he knew what kind of questions he'd be asked from the OKCTALK crowd...... thanks for the ammo Edgar...

[Steve]

Like I've said, ed is running to be mayor of all of OKC. Mick never has been nor had any interest in serving in that capacity. Dr Shadid would do his best to bring city governanace out from the secret meetings of a few plutocrats that produced half baked schenes like MAPSIII. He's stated he'd make appointments to boards and commission that would more accurately reflect the diversity of culture and innovation in OKC. Being who he is and what he stands for would insantly give a more progressive and diverse face to the city, something we can all agree Ok needs desperately. Glad I could help.

Talking points response?

[soonerguru]

Ed Shadid is exactly the person caricatured by the Oklahoman's editorial against him when he ran for Council -- except that he's actually even worse.

[Urban Pioneer]

Just emailed Pete a photo of the cover of the Sunday Early Edition.

[Steve]

Mick "has never been nor had any interest"- I distinctly remember Mick being a suburban candidate with the "plutocrats" favoring "insider" candidate Jim Tolbert. Mick was the under dog.

[/U].

That's not exactly correct.... but I can see how people might have different views of that race.

[zookeeper]

Just emailed Pete a photo of the cover of the Sunday Early Edition.

Can you post it? Front pages and magazine covers are "fair use."

I agree with Steve about the Tolbert/Cornett race. In fact, as much as I like Mick, I still think the last minute robocalls smearing Jim Tolbert was as nasty a thing I remember in city politics. Of course Mick claimed he knew nothing about it. When reminded, I have to work hard to put that behind me.

[Urban Pioneer]

That's not exactly correct.... but I can see how people might have different views of that race.

Much of the "old money" was behind Tolbert. Mick ran a campaign that was buoyed by an extremely aggressive political consultant.

But yeah your right, it could be interpreted several different ways.

I always found it fascinating that Tolbert was arguably always an "urbanist". Mick became a "new urbanist". Fascinating change in perspectives.

[Urban Pioneer]

Can you post it? Front pages and magazine covers are "fair use."

Sent it to Pete as I am on my phone. One word- devastating. Maybe not for people on this board, but for the average potential Shadid voter, devastating...

[Steve]

Sigh.

[soonerguru]

Transparency? Where?