Health of the Urban Districts/Areas.

[kevinpate]

bchris, do you ever go south of the river? there is a lot of investment already happening in infrastructure (thanks MAPS4Kids and bond issues.) It's already ripe for investment in numerous places, has one of the better parks down in sw okc, with numerous well heeled housing areas already well established. Thinking about pulling a plug and waiting for 20, lawdy, even to slow, let alone shut, things down for 5 years, would be plain ol' shortsighted and not at all a good move for the city. Go and take a look around. It might just surprise you what you've been missing.

[bchris02]

bchris, do you ever go south of the river? there is a lot of investment already happening in infrastructure (thanks MAPS4Kids and bond issues.) It's already ripe for investment in numerous places, has one of the better parks down in sw okc, with numerous well heeled housing areas already well established. Thinking about pulling a plug and waiting for 20, lawdy, even to slow, let alone shut, things down for 5 years, would be plain ol' shortsighted and not at all a good move for the city. Go and take a look around. It might just surprise you what you've been missing.

I'll have to go down there and check it out sometime. My perception of that area is that its pretty much entirely blight and urban prairie. While a quick Google Streetview search shows that to be partially true, I do see amazing potential in the Capitol Hill area along 25th St. I even see a theater there while currently not as charming as the Tower Theater, could be restored as such. I retract my statement that there is nothing worth redeveloping south of the river. That area has great bones and appears less devastated by the Pei Plan than many of the areas currently being redeveloped. I'll take a drive down there and see it for myself soon.

[Questor]

Be careful if you do. Crime rate is high.... There's definitely been progress in recent years but that area has a lot of stuff working against it and will for some time to come.

Capitol Hill neighborhood in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (OK), 73109, 73129 subdivision profile - real estate, apartments, condos, homes, community, population, jobs, income, streets

[ljbab728]

Questor, there is no doubt that there is crime in that area but I have never felt unsafe when I'm there. There was a bank robbery recently about 1/4 quarter mile from my office in NW OKC. Crime happens and you just have to use normal precautions no matter where you are.

[Questor]

I know, you can be involved in crime anywhere, but just pure numbers your odds are quite a bit higher there. I thought I read Chris wasn't from Oklahoma and so I wasn't sure if he was aware of this. That's all.

[ljbab728]

I know, you can be involved in crime anywhere, but just pure numbers your odds are quite a bit higher there. I thought I read Chris wasn't from Oklahoma and so I wasn't sure if he was aware of this. That's all.

Maybe, but there is absolutely no reason anyone should be afraid to go to Capitol Hill.

[DoctorTaco]

I have not seen one person say this. What has been discussed is that the site 21c chose is riskIER than other options, and that's hardly debatable


This is a sore point of mine where someone sets up a straw man (Steve did so in his article today, calling out "naysayers") by misrepresenting healthy discussion.

Yes Pete I was guilty of straw-manning. This is unfortunate, as the "One True Scotsman" is my favorite argumentative fallacy.

Back on topic any true OKC Fan would see that I am correct.

[Pete]

Yes Pete I was guilty of straw-manning. This is unfortunate, as the "One True Scotsman" is my favorite argumentative fallacy.

Back on topic any true OKC Fan would see that I am correct.

I think you mean "no true Scotsman"

Didn't mean to distract from your post, as you always bring an intelligent perspective.