Trooper Brian Orr (OU Tackle Trooper) Should Be Arrested

[ou48A]

This is worth watching

Oklahoma football: Sterling Shepard appears ready to go | News OK

[rezman]

I couldn't hear in the video I saw, but I was wondering if the trooper had already yelled at the guy to stop, but it didn't get picked up on the audio. And when he didn't stop, he got tackled.

[ou48A]

Oh, you could tell that from the video, could you?



And also thousands where the police officer ended up with a judgment against him and his employer for a civil rights violation or for battery.



That's almost LOL funny considering the sort of crap OHP has blessed in the past. Here's a little update on the Daniel Martin story as it's been moving through the courts:

Appellate court rules trooper excessive force lawsuit should move forward | News OK

It doesn't appear the 10th Circuit necessarily agrees with the OHP's belief system regarding excessive force.

As I already said I was at the game and had a clear view of this though my binoculars. IT WAS LOUD.

Many if not all courts of law would disagree with you on this case and you know it.

[Oh GAWD the Smell!]

You people are retarded.

Hit too high, didn't wrap him up, and the personal foul with the hand on the neck?

THAT WAS A TERRIBLE TACKLE AND BAD FOOTBALLING! No wonder he's a government worker.

[tomokc]

Don't escalate otherwise somebody will call for parking offenders to be hung, drawn and quartered. I ain't that guy.

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[ou48A]

Yeah, NO ONE predicted this would be your opinion. Such a shill man.

Then that makes you a complete shill for an unlawful act and against what society has labeled normal behavior....
But as so often is the case you are completely on the wrong side of an issue. But normal people are use to this when its coming from you.

[Midtowner]

Many if not all courts of law would disagree with you on this case and you know it.

Well now, that's a different argument. First you were saying you accepted OHP's finding that it wasn't excessive force. Now you're postulating that all courts of law would agree with you.

Under all the case law I've seen, this case at least gets to trial, which means a jury would decide it, not as you say, "courts of law."

There are several factors to consider: The severity of the crime at issue, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers and others, and whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight. We also consider whether an officer's own “reckless or deliberate conduct” in connection with the arrest contributed to the need to use the force employed. (citations omitted)

First, let's look at the severity of the crime. This young man was charged with misdemeanor disturbing the peace--a petty municipal offense, the lowest of the low. The expects officers to temper the force they use according to the crime being committed. Next, we turn to whether he was actively resisting arrest. In the video , I see other officers and staff approaching as Orr takes the young man to the ground. The field rusher wasn't running away or resisting in any way at that time. From the video, I saw Orr, unlike ALL of the other officers on the scene be the only one to decide that a brute force tackle was the best way to handle this situation. This is a case I'd feel pretty good taking to trial if I did that sort of work.

For further reading, see Fogerty v. Gallegos, 523 F.3d 1147 United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit.

I realize you were watching a football game where big men in pads run into each other at very high rates of speed and force and this wasn't much different from what you were there to see for your entertainment. This, however, was not for your entertainment. Yes, we're all familiar with that little feeling of glee we experienced back in grade school when we saw the troublemaker sent to the principle's office or paddled. It's very human to feel better-than and happy when someone else is being punished for what you perceive as misconduct. That doesn't mean the law agrees with you and it doesn't make anything common sense.

[ou48A]

This confuses me so much. I swear, I don't recognize this country sometimes.

You never knew it then. Not even close. But that’s what happens when a person keeps operating out on the edge of life and keeps telling then self that they are so smart that they always know better..

[Midtowner]

You never knew it then. Not even close. But that’s what happens when a person keeps operating out on the edge of life and keeps telling then self that they are so smart that they always know better..

Physician, heal thy self.

[ou48A]

Well now, that's a different argument. First you were saying you accepted OHP's finding that it wasn't excessive force. Now you're postulating that all courts of law would agree with you.

Under all the case law I've seen, this case at least gets to trial, which means a jury would decide it, not as you say, "courts of law."

There are several factors to consider: The severity of the crime at issue, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers and others, and whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight. We also consider whether an officer's own “reckless or deliberate conduct” in connection with the arrest contributed to the need to use the force employed. (citations omitted)

First, let's look at the severity of the crime. This young man was charged with misdemeanor disturbing the peace--a petty municipal offense, the lowest of the low. The expects officers to temper the force they use according to the crime being committed. Next, we turn to whether he was actively resisting arrest. In the video , I see other officers and staff approaching as Orr takes the young man to the ground. The field rusher wasn't running away or resisting in any way at that time. From the video, I saw Orr, unlike ALL of the other officers on the scene be the only one to decide that a brute force tackle was the best way to handle this situation. This is a case I'd feel pretty good taking to trial if I did that sort of work.

For further reading, see Fogerty v. Gallegos, 523 F.3d 1147 United States Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit.

Then go fight this case and see how far you get....
You have about 80,000 live eye witness accounts or so.
The vast majority of these people including several judges would would laugh you out of the court room so fast that you wouldn’t get far... and I know you know this.

[Roger S]

Perhaps he should have been given a timeout. His parents apparently failed society in teaching him how to behave in public so now a law enforcement officer is being lambasted for correcting his behavior.

For every action there is a reaction. If you drop a bowling ball is it gravities fault when it smashes your toes?

One of the biggest problems I see with society is we are no longer liable for our own irresponsibility...... Natural selection used to be able to weed the idiots out of the gene pool but the human race has bubble wrapped them to the point where they survive, thrive, and run out on football fields they aren't supposed to be on.

[Midtowner]

Then go fight this case and see how far you get....
You have about 80,000 live eye witness accounts or so.
The vast majority of these people including several judges would would laugh you out of the court room so fast that you wouldn’t get far... and I know you know this.

Fogerty v. Gallegos, 523 F.3d 1147, 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.

You're wrong. Just wrong. If this guy files a case, I have a strong belief it goes to trial.

Another thing occurs to me--the young man had no broken bones, but how was he the next day? What I saw could result in some serious soft-tissue injuries and long-term pain.

[ou48A]

No, society hasn't labeled it as normal. You want it to be that way so you can continue to justify your perverted view of "the society". But it isn't true. The guy committed a crime - disturbing the peace. Which he was charged.

I'm not crying 'police brutality' here. I do submit he jumped a few rungs on the ladder of escalation of force. Something I assure you I know a great deal more about than you.

What I know or what you think you know is not really relevant... I'm taking the side of the law, a law that says you are wrong to say that “he jumped a few rungs on the ladder of escalation of force”.
But you being wrong is pretty normal.

[ou48A]

Fogerty v. Gallegos, 523 F.3d 1147, 10th Circuit Court of Appeals.

You're wrong. Just wrong. If this guy files a case, I have a strong belief it goes to trial.

Another thing occurs to me--the young man had no broken bones, but how was he the next day? What I saw could result in some serious soft-tissue injuries and long-term pain.

Now you sound like an ambulance chaser who knows far to little about this case
One of the local TV stations interviewed the guy (I think it was Monday) and the guy said he was just fine and suffered no injuries...

[Midtowner]

Perhaps he should have been given a timeout. His parents apparently failed society in teaching him how to behave in public so now a law enforcement officer is being lambasted for correcting his behavior.

For every action there is a reaction. If you drop a bowling ball is it gravities fault when it smashes your toes?

One of the biggest problems I see with society is we are no longer liable for our own irresponsibility...... Natural selection used to be able to weed the idiots out of the gene pool but the human race has bubble wrapped them to the point where they survive, thrive, and run out on football fields they aren't supposed to be on.

What you saw was disturbing the peace--a misdemeanor. A petty crime on the level of public drunk. It's a ticket, some money to pay and almost never results in jail time. That's how our lawmakers have decided well in advance to handle this exact situation. Nowhere in the statute does it say a 250lb former college football linebacker gets to pummel you to the ground....well, to be fair, I haven't looked at the Norman Municipal Code ever, but color me skeptical that such a penalty exists without the right to due process.

So he's been arrested, charged and will probably pay a fine. That is by definition being liable for his own irresponsibility. Maybe you think 30 years in the electric chair is a more appropriate response for storming the field. Run for city council and change the law if that's your view.

Some of my favorite memories of football have involved storming the field. Remember OU-Nebraska in 2000? Unmitigated awesomeness save for the uncalled for reaction of security spraying pepper spray indiscriminately into an otherwise ecstatic crowd. Of course we now have the additional security and the sudden admonishment from sports commentators that said behavior is now verboten (this is for liability reasons, storming the field is actually still awesome).

[Midtowner]

Now you sound like an ambulance chaser who knows far to little about this case
One of the local TV stations interviewed the guy (I think it was Monday) and the guy said he was just fine and suffered no injuries...

Ambulance chaser? Now you sound like an asshole.

Good for him. That doesn't mean Trooper Orr's conduct was permissible.

--but since this gentleman is apparently not going to escalate things, it looks like no one else is going to hold the Trooper accountable.

[Roger S]

What you saw was disturbing the peace--a misdemeanor. A petty crime on the level of public drunk. It's a ticket, some money to pay and almost never results in jail time. That's how our lawmakers have decided well in advance to handle this exact situation. Nowhere in the statute does it say a 250lb former college football linebacker gets to pummel you to the ground....well, to be fair, I haven't looked at the Norman Municipal Code ever, but color me skeptical that such a penalty exists without the right to due process.

So he's been arrested, charged and will probably pay a fine. That is by definition being liable for his own irresponsibility. Maybe you think 30 years in the electric chair is a more appropriate response for storming the field. Run for city council and change the law if that's your view.

Some of my favorite memories of football have involved storming the field. Remember OU-Nebraska in 2000? Unmitigated awesomeness save for the uncalled for reaction of security spraying pepper spray indiscriminately into an otherwise ecstatic crowd. Of course we now have the additional security and the sudden admonishment from sports commentators that said behavior is now verboten (this is for liability reasons, storming the field is actually still awesome).

So when the law fits you will regard it but apparently when it doesn't you have no problem disregarding it based on your last paragraph.

Perhaps you should take your own advice the next time you consider breaking the law and storming a football field.

And I'm not going to argue law with any of you. I look at it from a common sense point of view. Something the law doesn't always take into account.

[Midtowner]

As I already said I was at the game and had a clear view of this though my binoculars. IT WAS LOUD.

Many if not all courts of law would disagree with you on this case and you know it.

And to revisit this, you are telling me affirmatively that you don't have clue 1 whether any verbal or nonverbal contact had even been attempted by law enforcement before a violent full body tackle was used to subdue the suspect. Of course the descriptive language is mine, but thanks for confirming that you have no idea whether verbal contact was made. In your words, IT WAS LOUD.

[Midtowner]

So when the law fits you will regard it but apparently when it doesn't you have no problem disregarding it based on your last paragraph.

I'm saying that sometimes a little disturbing the peace is well worth the penalty.

Perhaps you should take your own advice the next time you consider breaking the law and storming a football field.

And I'm not going to argue law with any of you. I look at it from a common sense point of view. Something the law doesn't always take into account.

Yes, I'm sure you were sitting at home watching the fans storm the field at OU-NU in 2000 thinking how tragic the whole situation was and that every single one of those students needed a severe ass whooping. Bull****. You were cheering just like they were.

[Roger S]

I'm saying that sometimes a little disturbing the peace is well worth the penalty.



Yes, I'm sure you were sitting at home watching the fans storm the field at OU-NU in 2000 thinking how tragic the whole situation was and that every single one of those students needed a severe ass whooping. Bull****. You were cheering just like they were.

As I said... If you don't like the law then follow your own advice and change it. Don't try to rationalize to me how breaking the law is justifiable, when you see fit to break it, in a civilized society.

[Zuplar]

I'm going to start off with I'm surprised by the responses.

I'm going to state for the record I was in the North endzone at this game. From my perspective I saw the guy run out on the field and start doing his thing. Several of the security people at the stadium quickly started walking towards him and as they did he ran in circles further out. All this time the Trooper in question was on the other side of the field jogging if you will over. As he got close to the guy, he just kind of stopped and it appeared to me at the time as though the Trooper was caught off guard and that's the reason the tackle looks so bad and abrupt. I have no doubts that he planned to take him down, but the 'severity' of it seemed to be mostly caused by randomness of the situation.

Hindsight's 20-20. Thinking that Trooper should be arrested for what he did is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in awhile, and I don't care if you believe it was handled properly or not.

[RadicalModerate]

I think that one reason most "sane" people applaud--rather than question--the actions of Trooper Orr is because we are glad, if even subconsiously, that part of "The Thin Blue Line" between "us" and "anarchy" is composed of individuals who are obviously capable of taking care of business.

Even during a TV Timeout on the gridiron.

Hindsight's 20-20. Thinking that Trooper should be arrested for what he did is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in awhile, and I don't care if you believe it was handled properly or not.

Ludicrous is the perfect word for the objections.
The icing on the cake would be if the bozo turned out to be a law student/studier.

[catch22]

I don't see where anyone said the trooper should be arrested?

Just that he should probably receive a warning. Both parties acted improperly.

[ou48A]

I'm going to start off with I'm surprised by the responses.

I'm going to state for the record I was in the North endzone at this game. From my perspective I saw the guy run out on the field and start doing his thing. Several of the security people at the stadium quickly started walking towards him and as they did he ran in circles further out. All this time the Trooper in question was on the other side of the field jogging if you will over. As he got close to the guy, he just kind of stopped and it appeared to me at the time as though the Trooper was caught off guard and that's the reason the tackle looks so bad and abrupt. I have no doubts that he planned to take him down, but the 'severity' of it seemed to be mostly caused by randomness of the situation.

Hindsight's 20-20. Thinking that Trooper should be arrested for what he did is the most ludicrous thing I've heard in awhile, and I don't care if you believe it was handled properly or not.

This^ is a pretty good account of what happened>
But you shouldn't be surprised by the nut job responses, they are pretty typical of what passes for normal on this board.

[catch22]

This^ is a pretty good account of what happened>
But you shouldn't be surprised by the nut job responses, they are pretty typical of what passes for normal on this board.

It's ok. Don't beat yourself up too much there, friend.