OG&E Tower

[Reno and Walker]

No one has ever contacted me about a GARAGE GOING IN HERE AT RENO AND WALKER..

[dmoor82]

No one has ever contacted me about a GARAGE GOING IN HERE AT RENO AND WALKER..

Lol, gotcha! Wink,wink

[BrettM2]

No one has ever contacted me about a GARAGE GOING IN HERE AT RENO AND WALKER..

Hey... Is there a garage going in at Reno and Walker?

[Reno and Walker]

hey... Is there a garage going in at reno and walker?

no one has ever contacted me about a garage gojng in here..

[Reno and Walker]

Lol, gotcha! Wink,wink

Had an oil company out of HOUSTON Inquire about the block, but the city or private investor has never contacted me..

[Reno and Walker]

Had an oil company out of HOUSTON Inquire about the block, but the city or private investor has never contacted me..

I think you guys not need worry about Reno and Walker you need to be concerned about Nick P and his block..I think you are looking in the wrong direction..lol..

I will let you all know once i hear something..

[dmoor82]

Had an oil company out of HOUSTON Inquire about the block, but the city or private investor has never contacted me..

Ohh HOUSTON you say, any more NOT HINTS you can give us?

[Reno and Walker]

Ohh HOUSTON you say, any more NOT HINTS you can give us?

lol, see you in the funny papers dmoor.. g'nite

[Teo9969]

Btw Pete, what happened to the like button?

The like button has never existed in the "Urban Development & Buildings Forum" The old Mystery Tower thread is located in the "Other Urban Development Forum"

[Snowman]

The like button has never existed in the "Urban Development & Buildings Forum" The old Mystery Tower thread is located in the "Other Urban Development Forum"

I thought it was if the page has a wiki article, then it will not have the like button

[Teo9969]

I thought it was if the page has a wiki article, then it will not have the like button

Maybe that's it...but all the threads in the UD&B forum have wiki articles and I guess the summary and reference forum as well.

[Pete]

I thought it was if the page has a wiki article, then it will not have the like button

Correct

[OKCisOK4me]

The Chase Tower is 36/500ft, so with modern floorplates 35 floors might be between 625- 700' ft????

Assuming the first two floors retail have a minimum 12' clearance and the rest of the floors are 17', you're looking at minimum 585'. I would assume those 35 floors don't include maintenance or a top off of the tower if its not a flat roof so probably over 600 feet.

[ourulz2000]

Assuming the first two floors retail have a minimum 12' clearance and the rest of the floors are 17', you're looking at minimum 585'. I would assume those 35 floors don't include maintenance or a top off of the tower if its not a flat roof so probably over 600 feet.

Probably a little optimistic, but we can dream.

[Pete]

The tower height is like the stock market... Rising and falling every day.

Today I heard the number is 33 -- but that's certainly not final.

[OKCisOK4me]

Probably a little optimistic, but we can dream.

Hey...lol....I'm just helpin the dreamers.

[Teo9969]

The tower height is like the stock market... Rising and falling every day.

Today I heard the number is 33 -- but that's certainly not final.

Everything regarding the Mystery Tower(s) is like the stock market. OKCTalk emotions are like the stock market on crack.

[Urbanized]

Stage Center, even in its current form, is not a gap in the urban fabric...it's just not. If anything, it's the SW corner of urban fabric.

Stage Center would be infinitely more interesting, even in its current form, if there were development on all 4 sides. It would garner more attention and provide an interesting juxtaposition to whatever was placed around it. The reason why nobody will walk by Stage Center is because...get this...there's nothing to walk to...
...

Also: Dense mixed-use development is great and all...but it becomes trite very quickly when it is profuse. It has its advantages, but place-making does not tend to be one of those things. I would prefer it over what we currently have throughout much of downtown, yes, but it's only a part of the puzzle.

I don't disagree with any of this - and in fact I'm one of the few fans of Stage Center left apparently - but separately only want to point out that vista terminations, plazas or other elements that provide interesting relief from monotonous repeating street wall are only necessary when, well, when there is existing monotonous street wall. We are so far from having that problem that it is funny to even think about. We need about a generation's-worth of focus on rebuilding the urban fabric using tried-and-true urban design principles before we worry TOO much about getting fancy with the street wall.

[Thundercitizen]

The tower height is like the stock market... Rising and falling every day.

Today I heard the number is 33 -- but that's certainly not final.

Perhaps population/volume is dynamic between this tower and MT2 and/or MT3 (Mystery Tower II/III).


-signed-
Daydreamer

[G.Walker]

I know , why don't we just take the average of what we heard so far form reliable sources, 20, 28, 33, and 35. That would make it 29 stories, lol....

[bchris02]

I know , why don't we just take the average of what we heard so far form reliable sources, 20, 28, 33, and 35. That would make it 29 stories, lol....

Well the original thought was 40 stories. That puts us at 31

[OKCisOK4me]

Everything regarding the Mystery Tower(s) is like the stock market. OKCTalk emotions are like the stock market on crack.

*like*

[Teo9969]

I don't disagree with any of this - and in fact I'm one of the few fans of Stage Center left apparently - but separately only want to point out that vista terminations, plazas or other elements that provide interesting relief from monotonous repeating street wall are only necessary when, well, when there is existing monotonous street wall. We are so far from having that problem that it is funny to even think about. We need about a generation's-worth of focus on rebuilding the urban fabric using tried-and-true urban design principles before we worry TOO much about getting fancy with the street wall.

Or, we can take our "Plätze" and develop around them...In Germany/Austria it would be called "Bühnezentrumplatz" (literally Stage Center Place), and everything on Hudson/Reno/Walker/Sheridan would be associated with and draw their identity from Stage Center. Street walls do not inherently create an urban fabric and they are not the most effective route to good urbanism. Places/Destinations are the best route. They draw people in from all places and prompt development in proximity to the place.

I would love to save the SC but realize there is <.0001% chance of that happening. I'm not really arguing to save SC...it's the reasoning presented that has me troubled because it demonstrates a possibility that we'll overlook future opportunities for similar reasons.

[Jim Kyle]

I'm not really arguing to save SC...it's the reasoning presented that has me troubled because it demonstrates a possibility that we'll overlook future opportunities for similar reasons.

After listening to Bradley Winn at last night's get-together and seeing his video urging that we save the original Film Exchange (over on Robinson) from C2S demolition and turn it into an Oklahoma City Museum, I think perhaps we should turn our attention away from what appears to be a lost cause, and toward backing that effort -- it's exactly the sort of future opportunity that you mention, and would create a Destination for the area!

[BDP]

The reason why nobody will walk by Stage Center is because...get this...there's nothing to walk to...

That's a good observation. The reality is that even if this development incorporates good street interaction with retail and dining services, it will still feel pretty isolated from a walk-ability standpoint, at least initially. It will be surrounded by a park, a garage along with a lot of surface lots, a school, and Devon, which was not built with street interaction in mind. Devon looks pretty, but there's really nothing to do there for a non-employee except look at it. The block to north could change that and a repurposed Century Center could create more flow into the area. Stage Center, when active, along with the park, was really the only thing that would draw people who did not have business in the area to this intersection and, obviously, community theater is not much of a draw in OKC.

Who knows how much the developer intends to do and whether or not the Preftakes block will add to the block in a similar way, but taken on its own, initially it will be at least a block in every direction before a pedestrian will encounter other services. It will be surrounded by an urban "moat", if you will. To some extent, it could have a negative effect on establishing a dense collection of retail in downtown, as it will essentially add square footage but only in the fragmented way we have seen so far. Granted, there are a ton of moving parts and variables to all of this, but it's certainly possible that this will be more of the same when it comes to creating a contiguously walkable city center. Certainly this development won't do it on its own. I think what happens on the Preftakes block and Century Center will be just as important. With Devon, the Convention Center, and Cox being neighbors, it's going to remain fragmented for some time and every new development in the area will have to fully contribute to street interaction before there is any real improvement in the walk-ability for this quarter of downtown.