Jim Roth Assaulted

[catcherinthewry]

Very telling how none of the posters angered by the north/south comment expressed their condolences to the victim.

How so? Threads get hijacked/sidetracked all the time.

[RadicalModerate]

Very telling how none of the posters angered by the north/south comment expressed their condolences to the victim.

Perhaps because it goes without saying?
Sort of like a type of "common sense" that doesn't need to be verbalized?

(just for the record: sorry that some pinheaded, redneck, douchebags beat up on you, Jim. You seem like a nice guy who doesn't--in any way, for whatever stupid "reason"--deserve that sort of treatment. they, on the other hand, should be horsewhipped. better?)

[Larry OKC]

OKC, in particular, is not known for this nationwide. Where do you get your information? The only national publicity we have had in this area is from our beloved Sally Kern. And what "other things" are you referring to?

Such an odd statement and completely untrue IMO. Please point to something tangible that supports the idea the "Oklahoma City in particular is known nationwide for homophobia."

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It has been a few years now but remember the attention we got when then Mayor Humphreys and the Council tried to ban/did ban the Cimarron Alliance banners from being displayed on City light poles...

When Mayor Cornett publicly took credit for removing pro-gay books from public library shelves (in his failed run for Congress)...

More recently when former Councilman Bryan Walters made some comments about the City's sexual orientation policy statement...

Recent years where the OKCPS have resisted having an anti-sexual orientation statement in the students handbooks...

The firing of a long-term teacher who was known as being a proponent of gay rights...

Now how much of that made it to the national level (like some of Kern's comments)...

[okcpulse]

Im not sure how we cant be one of the higher ranking homo-phobic states. Oklahoma isnt exactly known as a progessive, intolorant state. And this is the state that has continued to re-elect Sally "gays are a bigger threat than terrorism" Kern. I know no one wants to talk bad about their state but lets get real.

The state didn't re-elect her, her local district in Warr Acres re-elected her. That's a vast difference. She wouldn't stand a chance in MidTown.

[adaniel]

Lots of issues with this post.

It has been a few years now but remember the attention we got when then Mayor Humphreys and the Council tried to ban/did ban the Cimarron Alliance banners from being displayed on City light poles...

Ruled unconstitutional over a decade ago, and LGBT banners have been flying no problem ever since.

When Mayor Cornett publicly took credit for removing pro-gay books from public library shelves (in his failed run for Congress)...

A lame and stupid attempt to get into favor with the state's GOP elite. A big mistake on an otherwise good career. Notice the term "failed"

More recently when former Councilman Bryan Walters made some comments about the City's sexual orientation policy statement...

The same Brian Walters who got bounced from a fairly conservative district after just one term? BTW, the city council ended up passing those things 7-1.

Recent years where the OKCPS have resisted having an anti-sexual orientation statement in the students handbooks...

Confused by this. The school district has language protecting sexual orientation for at least a few years now.

The firing of a long-term teacher who was known as being a proponent of gay rights...

Who was reinstated....

Now how much of that made it to the national level (like some of Kern's comments)...

Every red state sadly has at least one Sally Kern.

[Mississippi Blues]

Very telling how none of the posters angered by the north/south comment expressed their condolences to the victim.

You never read my comments then. Go back & read my comments then come back & say the same thing.

[RadicalModerate]

wow. the sword of prejudice and bigotry seems to be a double-edged weapon that cuts both ways.
it's almost as if someone said something like "beating up on a gay guy is like beating up on a diabetic."
although people don't choose to be diabetic.
really. it's all just about that stupid and ignorant.
how about a little measure of human kindness and compassion here?
it that too much to ask?
is that so wrong?
(except for the horsewhipping of the pinhead punks at Granddad's Bar)

[LandRunOkie]

OK if you want to argue over little details I will point out the detail that your post wasn't angry, and the other 4 people who said it could happen anywhere came off as angry. However you posted later that people shouldn't run for greener pastures, which can lead to a slippery slope of blaming the victims.

[Mississippi Blues]

OK if you want to argue over little details I will point out the detail that your post wasn't angry, and the other 4 people who said it could happen anywhere came off as angry. However you posted later that people shouldn't run for greener pastures, which can lead to a slippery slope of blaming the victims.

That's BS. My god you are good at taking **** & twisting it. I have no idea how anybody could misinterpret anything I said as me trying to blame the victim other than someone who just wants to start stuff & judging by your posts, that's exactly what this is. Just because my post didn't come across as "angry" to you (even though it was) doesn't mean I wasn't pretty pissed off about it (& I still am). I was sympathetic & even expressed how much nonsense that is yet somehow I come across as a homophobic bigot to you (you didn't say it but it's pretty well implied). & the greener paster comment was in reference to something soonerguru said about running to greener pastures, which also doesn't have **** to do with trying to pin anything on the victim. & you said I'm wanting to point out "little detail" even though what I pointed out isn't very little, haha.

What are you even trying to prove? Whatever it is, it's pretty redundant.

[PennyQuilts]

I think we all agree this was a crappy thing to happen. There really is no arguing with people who are convinced that "everyone knows" Oklahoma is a homophobic, hateful place. It is always the same angry bunch not willing to take people at their word or trust the basic decency/civility of the vast majority of their fellow Oklahomans. People who are rude to gay people, minorities, women, the mentally ill, etc. are jerks - we all know that. Thing is, even people who don't get the whole gay thing tend to be polite unless they are jerks.

[Spartan]

Im not sure how we cant be one of the higher ranking homo-phobic states. Oklahoma isnt exactly known as a progessive, intolorant state. And this is the state that has continued to re-elect Sally "gays are a bigger threat than terrorism" Kern. I know no one wants to talk bad about their state but lets get real.

Yeeeeah, Oklahoma isn't going to live that down. I've actually been surprised at how liberal Cleveland is; Northern Ohio is about 80% democratic and the skyline lights cycle through a rainbow lighting scheme. This photo will appear on brochures for the 2014 Gay Games that Cleveland is hosting:


And yet Oklahoma City's only lighting scheme is...crosses

C'mon. Nothing against crosses, religion, or my hometown. But it is the land of Sally Kern...

[PennyQuilts]

Love the crosses, but then, I'm not ashamed of the tradition or begrudge the comfort people might take from the symbol. And I'm not even Christian. Crazy world when crosses on buildings are twisted into signs of hatred and ignorance. Just religious intolerance, straight up - some people just have to stamp out signs of faiths they don't accept. BTW, you haven't seen crosses until you visit areas with large immigrant populations. Like NYC, for example. Hmmm. Does that mean we should call them all a bunch of ignorant yahoos? Less enlightened?
Cleveland as a role model. Yeah, that's what we want...

[LandRunOkie]

The subtext here is of course the turf war going on in the 23rd and Broadway area. You have the Paseo yuppie crowd and the rockabilly (to be kind) crowd. Your not going to make this into a thing by catering to the out of towner rockabillies. If its going to be a thing its going to have to embrace gays. Like the Paseo did, like Deep Deuce does, etc. If people wanted a monoculture they can just move to Mustang. You can't have a cool urban district that is a monoculture.

[okcpulse]

Yeeeeah, Oklahoma isn't going to live that down. I've actually been surprised at how liberal Cleveland is; Northern Ohio is about 80% democratic and the skyline lights cycle through a rainbow lighting scheme. This photo will appear on brochures for the 2014 Gay Games that Cleveland is hosting:


And yet Oklahoma City's only lighting scheme is...crosses

C'mon. Nothing against crosses, religion, or my hometown. But it is the land of Sally Kern...

Wow, of ALL of Oklahoma City's lighting schemes you single out and attack the cross. Forget the lighting scheme on the First National Tower for breast cancer awareness month, the brand new lighting scheme for the Thunder (among a myriad of future potential lighting schemes on the Devon Tower), or the red and green holiday lighting scheme, again, on the First National Tower.

And the land of Sally Kern??? How many times to I need to explain that she doesn't represent Oklahoma City or the state as a whole, JUST HER LOCAL HOUSE DISTRICT!

The bus just went thump-thump and OKC is flat on the pavement. My goodness.

[bchris02]

Wow, of ALL of Oklahoma City's lighting schemes you single out and attack the cross. Forget the lighting scheme on the First National Tower for breast cancer awareness month, the brand new lighting scheme for the Thunder (among a myriad of future potential lighting schemes on the Devon Tower), or the red and green holiday lighting scheme, again, on the First National Tower.

And the land of Sally Kern??? How many times to I need to explain that she doesn't represent Oklahoma City or the state as a whole, JUST HER LOCAL HOUSE DISTRICT!

The bus just went thump-thump and OKC is flat on the pavement. My goodness.

I don't think the point is that the crosses in December are a bad thing. The point is that I don't think we'll see the Devon tower's LEDs go rainbow for gay pride any time soon. That isn't necessarily a bad thing in itself as I think it should be all or nothing in terms of special interest groups getting lighting schemes in the skyline, with the exception of the Thunder. OKC's skyline belongs to everyone in this city.

[hoya]

California, that bastion of liberalism, passed Proposition 8 and outlawed gay marriage. Politicians saying bad things about gay people is hardly an Oklahoma-only phenomenon. Bad as Sally Kern is, you can find hundreds of other politicians across the country who have said similar things. Nationally she's a nobody.

[onthestrip]

Wow, of ALL of Oklahoma City's lighting schemes you single out and attack the cross. Forget the lighting scheme on the First National Tower for breast cancer awareness month, the brand new lighting scheme for the Thunder (among a myriad of future potential lighting schemes on the Devon Tower), or the red and green holiday lighting scheme, again, on the First National Tower.

And the land of Sally Kern??? How many times to I need to explain that she doesn't represent Oklahoma City or the state as a whole, JUST HER LOCAL HOUSE DISTRICT!

The bus just went thump-thump and OKC is flat on the pavement. My goodness.

Sally of course doesn't represent the whole state but the lack of widespread outcry from others Representatives in her party when she made these statements was alarming.

Anyways, here are the thoughts of 3 other Reps. from different areas of the state. It also should be noted that they are he 3 youngest republicans in the house. I say noted because young people nationwide are are overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage rights. Not saying Okies aren't nice folks, but to say we are welcoming of gays is a stretch.

Young Oklahoma Republican lawmakers: Sanctity of marriage must endure | News OK

[onthestrip]

California, that bastion of liberalism, passed Proposition 8 and outlawed gay marriage. Politicians saying bad things about gay people is hardly an Oklahoma-only phenomenon. Bad as Sally Kern is, you can find hundreds of other politicians across the country who have said similar things. Nationally she's a nobody.

The Mormon church dropping over $20 million on the prop 8 campaign helped quite a bit with its passing

[ljbab728]

Sally of course doesn't represent the whole state but the lack of widespread outcry from others Representatives in her party when she made these statements was alarming.

Anyways, here are the thoughts of 3 other Reps. from different areas of the state. It also should be noted that they are he 3 youngest republicans in the house. I say noted because young people nationwide are are overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage rights. Not saying Okies aren't nice folks, but to say we are welcoming of gays is a stretch.

Young Oklahoma Republican lawmakers: Sanctity of marriage must endure | News OK

Do you think this would happen in conservative Oklahoma like it did in liberal France if gay marriage was legalized here? I think not.

French protest against gay marriage turns violent | News OK

[kelroy55]

OK if you want to argue over little details I will point out the detail that your post wasn't angry, and the other 4 people who said it could happen anywhere came off as angry. However you posted later that people shouldn't run for greener pastures, which can lead to a slippery slope of blaming the victims.

How was my post angry? I just said bigotry doesn't stop at the Mason Dixon line.

[soonerguru]

Yep very ignorant statement, I've seen this behavior just as much if not more in Northern cities. Bigotry and hate will always exist everywhere. That's as ignorant as the current regime stating "assault" rifles cause assaults, when in reality rifles are only used in 4% of ALL GUN Crimes and semi auto (mislabeled as Assault) rifles are used in only .003% of all gun crimes.

TRYING TO AVOID BEING POLITICAL HERE, but that is not an accurate description of the intent of the current administration's thinking regarding assault rifles.

[soonerguru]

The state didn't re-elect her, her local district in Warr Acres re-elected her. That's a vast difference. She wouldn't stand a chance in MidTown.

True, but she would win handily in hundreds of other districts throughout the state.

[soonerguru]

Sally of course doesn't represent the whole state but the lack of widespread outcry from others Representatives in her party when she made these statements was alarming.

Anyways, here are the thoughts of 3 other Reps. from different areas of the state. It also should be noted that they are he 3 youngest republicans in the house. I say noted because young people nationwide are are overwhelmingly in favor of gay marriage rights. Not saying Okies aren't nice folks, but to say we are welcoming of gays is a stretch.

Young Oklahoma Republican lawmakers: Sanctity of marriage must endure | News OK

Great point. Mary Fallin even had photo ops with her.

[Larry OKC]

adaniel: not disagreeing with your response to my post...I was simply detailing some of our history that those that I was responding to seem to have forgotten

[Bunty]

Do you think this would happen in conservative Oklahoma like it did in liberal France if gay marriage was legalized here? I think not.

French protest against gay marriage turns violent | News OK

Why you think not? Because Oklahoma's adjustment to doing away with Jim Crow laws was considerably less violent than in some of the Southern states? Though I've seen a few people turn red and get very emotionally upset over the possibility of legalizing same sex marriage in Oklahoma, that would be my reason. And also legalizing gay marriage in the blue states came to be without violent demonstrations against it. Apparently, a noticeable number of people in France don't have this live and let live philosophy down pat.

Since Oklahoma eventually got casinos, lotteries, and tattoo application legalized after it seemed hopeless to do so during the 1990s, surely legalizing gay marriage can't be too much to hope for within 10-20 years.