Boston Marathon Explosions

[kelroy55]

This isn't law enforcement, CaptDave and it isn't about "fear," much as you want to present it like that. It has to do with the way the older brother, especially, presented himself in terms of radical Islam and the absence of evidence, to date, of a political agenda. What part of that can't you grasp?

Terrorism isn't about fear? What political agenda has the older brother presented?

[venture]

This isn't law enforcement, CaptDave and it isn't about "fear," much as you want to present it like that. It has to do with the way the older brother, especially, presented himself in terms of radical Islam and the absence of evidence, to date, of a political agenda. What part of that can't you grasp?

Terror = fear. Terrorism is all about impact and causing fear.

And no one is saying this is about Chechen nationalism - only that the area is full of violent islamic radicals with a history of very violent acts.

So why the personal need of yours to label him as an islamic terrorist instead of just a terrorist? If we are going to ignore his ethnic background as a label, why jump to a possible religious one?

He's a terrorist. Why extend the label anymore except to drive a personal bias? Now if we come to the finding that radical islam or other teachings are the reason for their actions, that shouldn't change anything on the way we label him. Unless the intent is to further label and divide.

[Just the facts]

All anyone has said is there is no way to know if their motivation was radical Islam and Chechen nationalism - so explain how being rational and measured is suddenly sympathizing and denying. The latest report I heard is the older brother visited Russia and nothing about the usual Muslim militant locations. They were completely unprepared for anything after they dropped their backpacks in the crowd - not indicative of anyone that had been trained by terror groups. Ever since the FBI revealed their identity, they have not done anything that demonstrates they have a clue what they are doing.

It is a very good thing a few people on OKCTalk have nothing to do with law enforcement or the criminal justice system - we do not need people who cannot see past their bias and have a tendency to jump to conclusions without knowing much of anything other than their own fears.

On a positive note, the MBTA Police Officer is out of surgery and stable now. Hopefully no one else will be harmed by that kid.

Okay then, feel free to stand by and wait. However, because I can put two and two to get four doesn't making me biased or have an irrational fear.

[CaptDave]

So why the personal need of yours to label him as an islamic terrorist instead of just a terrorist? If we are going to ignore his ethnic background as a label, why jump to a possible religious one?

He's a terrorist. Why extend the label anymore except to drive a personal bias? Now if we come to the finding that radical islam or other teachings are the reason for their actions, that shouldn't change anything on the way we label him. Unless the intent is to further label and divide.

It is a sad indication the terrorists have had the effect they desired on a number of American citizens. Fear is what causes normally rational people to reflexively jump to conclusions in the aftermath of an event such as Boston, or OKC, or.....

Thankfully these people are rarely involved in actually combatting events like this. Clear headed, objective thinking is far more preferable to blind assumptions. PQ may eventually end up being correct about the murderers' motivations, but to ignore other possibilities is reckless and foolish.

[stick47]

Father of Lone Terrorist Threatens To Unleash Hell On USA If Son Is Touched // Mr. Conservative

[CaptDave]

I saw part of that interview. I wonder what happened that prompted him to return to Russia leaving his sons here. The brothers' uncles both seem to be good people and one of them indicated some sort of family issue had occurred. The father's response is completely opposite of the other family members.

[stick47]

Easy to assume the sons take after the Father and the Father left b/c he didn't like the culture. Wish the sons would have done the same.

[kelroy55]

Easy to assume the sons take after the Father and the Father left b/c he didn't like the culture. Wish the sons would have done the same.

Why is it easy to assume that? When did the father leave? You forget to mention that the father also said... The father of a suspected Boston Marathon bomber called on his son today to give up peacefully.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-bomb...6#.UXGmQkoxg4I

[stick47]

Why do YOU assume -

You forget to mention that the father also said... The father of a suspected Boston Marathon bomber called on his son today to give up peacefully.

Frankly I was not aware of that bit of information.

Also I assumed it b/c of the Fathers threat to do harm to America even though his son killed and maimed many in Boston.

[MadMonk]

There are different types of terrorists with different motivations and goals. A radical Islamist terrorists is not the same as a extremist militia type. It's useful to know what type of terrorist we are dealing with here. All signs point to these guys being motivated by their religious beliefs. What's wrong with pointing that out?

[Anonymous.]

Over 12 hours since last seen. This is professional hide and seek - or he is long gone. Or perhaps he is injured and bleeding out in somebody's attic/base/shed/garage with them totally unaware.


Would be truly amazing if he got out of there and this massive city search is all for nothing.

[PennyQuilts]

Terror = fear. Terrorism is all about impact and causing fear.



So why the personal need of yours to label him as an islamic terrorist instead of just a terrorist? If we are going to ignore his ethnic background as a label, why jump to a possible religious one?

He's a terrorist. Why extend the label anymore except to drive a personal bias? Now if we come to the finding that radical islam or other teachings are the reason for their actions, that shouldn't change anything on the way we label him. Unless the intent is to further label and divide.

Why do you have some sort of personal need to be at all concerned that I might -gasp-chalk it up to Islamic extremism? I could see a raised eyebrow if I was just attributing this to being a muslim - but I didn't. And I'm not displaying a bit of bias against anyone but your garden variety terrorist. Are you actually arguing that it is okay to say someone is a terrorist, but demanding that no one speculate the underlying motive? Why?? Are there pc terrorists and non pc terrorists? Are we to ignore the strong evidence in this case? Do you seriously think I have a personal bias against islamic terrorism but would give Timothy McVeigh a pass?? How insulting. I refuse to pretend I don't notice all the evidence that these guys were murderous fanatics and that the only thing that "fits" based on their own words is Islamic extremism. Why would I do that? You go ahead and fight the good fight to insist that other people treat one type of terrorist as more protected than another. I don't see the point and think it is unseemly to try to school others in being PC - especially under these facts. If I end up being wrong, I'll admit it. It is one thing to speculate and call it wrong. You, however, aren't just saying hold your horses - you are all into personal bias and seeing malice when it isn't there. Please stop judging my heart, will you?

[Martin]

shots fired in watertown... -M

[venture]

Why do you have some sort of personal need to be at all concerned that I might -gasp-chalk it up to Islamic extremism? I could see a raised eyebrow if I was just attributing this to being a muslim - but I didn't. And I'm not displaying a bit of bias against anyone but your garden variety terrorist. Are you actually arguing that it is okay to say someone is a terrorist, but demanding that no one speculate the underlying motive? Why?? Are there pc terrorists and non pc terrorists? Are we to ignore the strong evidence in this case? Do you seriously think I have a personal bias against islamic terrorism but would give Timothy McVeigh a pass?? How insulting. I refuse to pretend I don't notice all the evidence that these guys were murderous fanatics and that the only thing that "fits" based on their own words is Islamic extremism. Why would I do that? You go ahead and fight the good fight to insist that other people treat one type of terrorist as more protected than another. I don't see the point and think it is unseemly to try to school others in being PC - especially under these facts. If I end up being wrong, I'll admit it. It is one thing to speculate and call it wrong. You, however, aren't just saying hold your horses - you are all into personal bias and seeing malice when it isn't there. Please stop judging my heart, will you?

I'm definitely not saying that we can't speculate on motive, but it is also important to stick to facts and not pass them off as facts. Are there indications that they are extremists? Anyone that does this is. Is it religious motivated? Who knows. We won't know until we get him to talk or find other resources that are credible.

Who is treating one type of terrorist as more protected than the other? That is just assine. I won't respond to the rest of your post because it is just not even worthy.

[venture]

Listening to MA Rt. 9 Window Cam on USTREAM: A live look outside my window. Other 24/7

They got him surrounded getting ready to move in.

[Anonymous.]

Yup, sounds like he is unconscious on a boat. Deployed tear gas and dummy bullets.

[Dustin]

Is anyone else watching KOCO? They are streaming live from their sister station WCVB. I'm really impressed with the anchors and reporters.

[soonerguru]

Yup, sounds like he is unconscious on a boat. Deployed tear gas and dummy bullets.

Really hope they get him alive.

[venture]

Yup, sounds like he is unconscious on a boat. Deployed tear gas and dummy bullets.

Yeah seems like this is almost over.

[venture]

They are about to tear the tarp off the boat to expose him.

[venture]

Sounds like he is still alive in the back of the boat. Waiting on officers in the line of fire to get out of the way.

[Anonymous.]

I am almost positive the boat is on land, not in water. In case someone is picturing this unfolding on water.

This looks like the place:

[Urbanized]

Right after Mr. Clean and Tillamook Cheese make their pitch.

[Urbanized]

I am almost positive the boat is on land, not in water. In case someone is picturing this unfolding on water.

This looks like the place:

Do you have a link to that address on Google Maps?

[venture]

Tarp is off they have eyes on them. He isn't moving anymore it appears.

Edit: Or not. Pretty chaotic still. LOL Tarp is still on but no movement as of 10 seconds ago.