Oklahoma Indians Baseball ?????

[GaryOKC6]

I go to a lot of thunder games and only maybe two redhawks games every year. If we "did" have a MLB team I would go very often.

[MonkeesFan]

Not going to happen

[MDot]

If we ever got an MLB team I would go to the games most of the season, but right now I'm not that interested in going to baseball games mainly because of the Thunder.

[dankrutka]

You know what I mean haha. An MLB team. I think we have a better chance of getting a hockey team because we already have two arenas to choose from, with a baseball team, we would have to build a new arena or add on to the one we already have.

Uh, we don't have 2 arenas to choose from. No NHL team would ever play in Cox. Ever. Furthermore, OKC is not getting a 2nd professional team in any sport for a while. The population and money is not there for this to be feasible. One major league pro team is perfect for OKC.

[Bellaboo]

Uh, we don't have 2 arenas to choose from. No NHL team would ever play in Cox. Ever. Furthermore, OKC is not getting a 2nd professional team in any sport for a while. The population and money is not there for this to be feasible. One major league pro team is perfect for OKC.

This ^^, there are only so many sports dollars to go around, and currently the Thunder have decimated both OU and OSU's basketball programs to the point that both schools have drastically cut some prices just to get butts in the seats. OKC can not come close to supporting another professional franchise, other than a possible MLS team at best......but MLB, NHL or NFL will be a no show for years to come.

[Snowman]

This ^^, there are only so many sports dollars to go around, and currently the Thunder have decimated both OU and OSU's basketball programs to the point that both schools have drastically cut some prices just to get butts in the seats. OKC can not come close to supporting another professional franchise, other than a possible MLS team at best......but MLB, NHL or NFL will be a no show for years to come.

If they were playing great in the regular season and going deep in the NCAA tournament you can absolutely state that is the Thunder is directly responsible. However OU's basketball team on court quality absolutely fell apart after 2008-2009 season, I do not follow OSU as close but their record indicated they have hit and missed some years. The OU women's team which did not have major drops in performance and did not have a dramatic in attendance.

[Bellaboo]

If they were playing great in the regular season and going deep in the NCAA tournament you can absolutely state that is the Thunder is directly responsible. However OU's basketball team on court quality absolutely fell apart after 2008-2009 season, I do not follow OSU as close but their record indicated they have hit and missed some years. The OU women's team which did not have major drops in performance and did not have a dramatic in attendance.

I saw that clip on the news the other night when Whitney Hand got hurt and there was hardly a soul in the stands.....OSU had Boone by tickets to just give away for the mens games for the time period where the students are gone because they have no one in their stands either, and they are ranked 24th....it's killing both schools. Personally, after watching the NBA for several years now, I have a hard time watching the college game, looks like a bunch of high schoolers running around...

[dankrutka]

The Thunder's arrival coincided with OU and OSU hitting their cumulative worst state in at least 30 years. It 's insane how few OU students go to games. It will be interesting to see what happens to attendance if one of them has an elite - top 5 - team again... I'm still skeptical that the support will be there. Very depressing.

[Snowman]

I saw that clip on the news the other night when Whitney Hand got hurt and there was hardly a soul in the stands.....OSU had Boone by tickets to just give away for the mens games for the time period where the students are gone because they have no one in their stands either, and they are ranked 24th....it's killing both schools. Personally, after watching the NBA for several years now, I have a hard time watching the college game, looks like a bunch of high schoolers running around...

The women's team slipping in the national rankings is one thing, the men's side was completely different, they went from doing well in the regular season with runs in the NCAA tournament to barely beating any conference opponent in the entire year with many blowout losses.

[SoonerDave]

Regardless of the Thunder's success, we have to keep in mind that the sport of college basketball is suffering from a gut-punch all on its own due to the rapid departure of talent to the NBA (one and done), and the NBA seems not the least predisposed to do anything about it (not that they should, but if anyone were going to change, it would have to be them).

IMHO, it will be next to impossible for OU or OSU to recapture the kinds of success they were enjoying just a few years ago. Either or both may have a year or two with some success, but not with the kind of regularity to which we had more or less become accustomed.

[bluedogok]

The women's team slipping in the national rankings is one thing, the men's side was completely different, they went from doing well in the regular season with runs in the NCAA tournament to barely beating any conference opponent in the entire year with many blowout losses.

The OU women's team seems to have had quite a few years with season ending injuries which has decimated the the competitiveness. The men's team shows the effect of what bad hires can do to the program.

Regardless of the Thunder's success, we have to keep in mind that the sport of college basketball is suffering from a gut-punch all on its own due to the rapid departure of talent to the NBA (one and done), and the NBA seems not the least predisposed to do anything about it (not that they should, but if anyone were going to change, it would have to be them).

IMHO, it will be next to impossible for OU or OSU to recapture the kinds of success they were enjoying just a few years ago. Either or both may have a year or two with some success, but not with the kind of regularity to which we had more or less become accustomed.

The "one and done" rule has been a colossal failure in my opinion, it has decimated college basketball. They need to go to something like the college baseball rule, allow drafting out of high school and if you go to college you can't be drafted until your third year out of high school, junior or redshirt sophomore year like football. For the most part college basketball isn't missing out by having a player for only one season and then moving on. A Kevin Durant at UT for one year doesn't really help the college game. If a Kobe or Lebron is good enough out of high school they will make it, if high school players become too big of a risk, then the teams won't take them and they will be forced to go to college for three years or go overseas to play. One-and-done hurts the game at the college or pro level.

[dankrutka]

Regardless of the Thunder's success, we have to keep in mind that the sport of college basketball is suffering from a gut-punch all on its own due to the rapid departure of talent to the NBA (one and done), and the NBA seems not the least predisposed to do anything about it (not that they should, but if anyone were going to change, it would have to be them).

IMHO, it will be next to impossible for OU or OSU to recapture the kinds of success they were enjoying just a few years ago. Either or both may have a year or two with some success, but not with the kind of regularity to which we had more or less become accustomed.

Your explanation doesn't make any sense. The NBA started seeing NBA early entries in the mi-90s. The NBA required players to go to college for at least one year starting around 2004. OU and OSU both had success during those time periods. I don't think that's the reason...

[zookeeper]

IMHO, it will be next to impossible for OU or OSU to recapture the kinds of success they were enjoying just a few years ago. Either or both may have a year or two with some success, but not with the kind of regularity to which we had more or less become accustomed.

I agree with you that the NBA has nearly ruined college basketball, but since the rules regarding NBA eligibility applies to all, wouldn't all NCAA schools have the same problem? That levels out the playing field, so to speak.

[Spartan]

Regardless of the Thunder's success, we have to keep in mind that the sport of college basketball is suffering from a gut-punch all on its own due to the rapid departure of talent to the NBA (one and done), and the NBA seems not the least predisposed to do anything about it (not that they should, but if anyone were going to change, it would have to be them).

IMHO, it will be next to impossible for OU or OSU to recapture the kinds of success they were enjoying just a few years ago. Either or both may have a year or two with some success, but not with the kind of regularity to which we had more or less become accustomed.

Perhaps OSU's distance and proximity instead to Tulsa could finally be a good thing

[Hawk405359]

Your explanation doesn't make any sense. The NBA started seeing NBA early entries in the mi-90s. The NBA required players to go to college for at least one year starting around 2004. OU and OSU both had success during those time periods. I don't think that's the reason...

They had early entries earlier than that. The first player to go straight from high school to the NBA was in the 60's. Although it wasn't until Kobe and Garnett in the 90's that more players began looking at it seriously. But it didn't blow up until the 2000's (between 95 and 2000, there were 11 high schoolers drafted. Between 2001 and 2005, there were 28), and the success rate of players jumping subsequently plummeted since everyone who thought they had a shot jumped rather than just the best.

I think that's had at least some effect on both OU and OSU, although maybe not a huge one. Certainly I don't think it affects who wins the title that much, but in terms over overall competitiveness, I think there's some impact. When the number of top talent jumping to the NBA from high school went up, the Dukes and North Carolinas and Kentuckys weren't getting them either, so fielding a strong team against a traditional power became more about finding players in the rough, because they were likely to stick with you since they weren't already NBA caliber. Schools that were more used to it could do that, so it didn't affect them as much as it would for a team that's used to going after the best and winning them over with prestige and tradition. Now that they can't, the one and done players want the most exposure, so the top schools again have the inside track to the top recruits, so it makes it harder. Of course, you can still field great teams if you aren't on the level of Kansas or Kentucky, but I think reintroducing the one and dones back to the system gave a boost back to the powerhouses.

[zookeeper]

Bringing things back on topic, the Cleveland Indians have had their attendance problems, but Cleveland is a great city and will keep MLB. Remember, it's a 3 horse town with the Indians, Browns and Cavs and the Cleveland area was hit harder than most during recent recessions due to the flight of manufacturing jobs. Supporting 3 professional franchises is not easy for a lot of cities the size of Cleveland, their economic problems only make it tougher.

[RadicalModerate]

Obviously, the first order of business, should be to change the name of the team to The OKC Casinos.
No?
Sounded fairly politically correct to me . . . while maintaining the "cultural connection" . . . even within the "sportstalk" format . . .
(i used to love The 89ers . . . regular fan . . . even out at that ballpark by the freeway . . . adjacent to the fairgrounds . . . =)

Sorry to interrupt . . . please excuse my rudeness . . . carry on . . . ?????

[Hawk405359]

The recession certainly plays a factor, I also think that the fact that Cleveland sports aren't traditionally the highest quality plays a role The one bright spot they had was Lebron, and he bolted to win a title elsewhere. Other than that, they don't just have 3 sports team in a recession, they have 3 bad sports teams in a recession, and that's a hard sell considering how many tickets for all Cleveland sports that are out there.

Here, we've not had to deal with that before. The Thunder were bad at first, but they were still new and unique so we went to the games, and now they're contenders. OKC's stature as a pro sports town will really be tested when the Thunder aren't good and the novelty has worn off, because how you support a bad team is a big element in how good a pro sports town it really is.

Obviously, the first order of business, should be to change the name of the team to The OKC Casinos.
No?
Sounded fairly politically correct to me . . . even within the "sportstalk" format . . .
(i used to love The 89ers . . . regular fan =)

Well, since we're bringing WWLS into it, wouldn't OKC Handicappers be a more fitting name? Maybe OKC Sports Bookies? OKC Fat Jacks?

[RadicalModerate]

It would be foolish of me to disagree with the assessment of the situation you outlined, above.
(yet . . . somehow . . . i don't think that "The Oklahoma Indians" are going to fly . . . from Cleveland or wherever)

[What is WWLS?]

Just for the fun of it . . .
Here is a cool, entertaining, and educational link . . .
http://www.toonist.com/flash/ravine.html

at least i found it interesting and informative . . .

[dcsooner]

fully agree with this assessment posted by Hawk. OKC will demonstrate its true allegiance to supporting professional sports when the team is bad which in time will be the case for at least some period of time. I hope the city/state will continue to attend and buy gear because it is Oklahoma's team. We will see at some point if Oklahomans are true fans of the NBA and professional basketball even if the local team is average or worse.