Another walmart????

[kevinpate]

Huge fuss over a wally-world neighborhood market.

Aren't corporations people now? Isn't Wal-mart Inc. a weathly fellow? So why not let a wealthy neighbor build a place for his son, as opposed to 2-3 or 6 smallish barely getting by LLC's set up in a ugly strip mall later on? Where's the welcome mat for another wealthy citizen helping junior join the community?

[Just the facts]

Wouldn't Guthrie would be good example of that?

Yep.

[jedicurt]

I am not trying to make a statement about where is a better place to work. I was just pointing out that in a comparison of the economic impact between a local pub and a Wal-mart that the number of jobs created also needs to be considered. A Wal-mart will employ 300 to 500 people. A local pub will probably employ a dozen or less. Even if the direct tax impact favors the pub the overall economic benefit to the community will favor the Wal-mar due to the payroll generated.

500 employees over 13.7 acres comes out to 12 employees for every .35 acres.... So a dozen employees at the pub, is a same comparable economic impact as the Walmart when you compare impact per acre... I'm not saying a Walmart is bad, I'm not saying that I prefer a "high end" pub. I'm just saying that when you break down the numbers there isn't much of a difference...

If you fully developed the 13.7 acres as an entertainment district the city would see about the same economic impact... So yes, most on OKCTalk will say then make every Walmart something else... I'm just saying that when you actually apply math and logic instead of assumptions you realize that the differences are not as great as you think

[bluedogok]

The thing is you're not going to get that kind of dense development in that area, so the comparative economic impact point is not valid for the proposed location.

[Richard at Remax]

people do realize this is just a neighborhood market, right?

Also, not to be THAT guy, but don't buy/build your dream/retirement home right next to a zoned commercial if you don't want to have the headache of something commercial going in. Could be worse, like a gas station.

But if they want to protest and axe it from happening, good for them. Too bad we couldn't do that about KD's restuarant

[Stew]

You can never have too many walmarts.

[Debzkidz]

people do realize this is just a neighborhood market, right?

Also, not to be THAT guy, but don't buy/build your dream/retirement home right next to a zoned commercial if you don't want to have the headache of something commercial going in. Could be worse, like a gas station.

But if they want to protest and axe it from happening, good for them. Too bad we couldn't do that about KD's restuarant

Exactly. I've never understood this mentality people have in Edmond. We have laughed as long as we've lived here at this. I would hate to own commercial property in this town. Every time someone wants to do something with their land, everyone living nearby starts screaming. I know there's an area just outside my neighborhood that is zoned commercial and I fully expect that someday soon, someone is going to want to build something there and that's okay. We bought our house here knowing that it was there. When they decide to do something with the land, we will not have any right to complain about it, but I'm sure there will be lots of whining people in my neighborhood. If you didn't do your research before you bought your home that's your fault, not the landowners. I could understand it if the land was previously zoned residential and they were wanting to change it to commercial or apartments or something, but most of the time this is not the case here. Unbelievable.

Long ago, when we were buying a home, I fell in love with a house that packed up to an area that was zoned commercial. Our real estate agent just flat told me she wouldn't let me buy it. She said some day there's gonna be a grocery store there, and you aren't gonna like it. Sure enough within 3 years there was a store on that land, and I was happy we bought further into the neighborhood.

[Just the facts]

500 employees over 13.7 acres comes out to 12 employees for every .35 acres.... So a dozen employees at the pub, is a same comparable economic impact as the Walmart when you compare impact per acre... I'm not saying a Walmart is bad, I'm not saying that I prefer a "high end" pub. I'm just saying that when you break down the numbers there isn't much of a difference...

If you fully developed the 13.7 acres as an entertainment district the city would see about the same economic impact... So yes, most on OKCTalk will say then make every Walmart something else... I'm just saying that when you actually apply math and logic instead of assumptions you realize that the differences are not as great as you think

A one acre urban pub is pretty darn big and would have way more than 12 employees. I don't know of very many 43,560 sq foot pubs. Most I know top out in 3,000 sq foot range.

[Just the facts]

Hmmm.

Oppose Wal-Mart! Top 5 Wal-Myths

You can disregard myths 3, 4, and 5. Those only apply to the people who shop or work there. 1 and 2 effects all of us.

[jedicurt]

A one acre urban pub is pretty darn big and would have way more than 12 employees. I don't know of very many 43,560 sq foot pubs. Most I know top out in 3,000 sq foot range.

Which is why it comes out to 12 employees for ever .35 acres not 1 acre (what i said in my statement that you quoted)... And .35 acres was the size of the pub listed in the link by Sid inwhich the reference was to.

I also dont know of any 1 acre pubs, which is why I wasn't talking about one...

[Buffalo Bill]

Walmart and Edmond deserve each other.

Mind numbing mediocrity at its best.

[Just the facts]

Which is why it comes out to 12 employees for ever .35 acres not 1 acre (what i said in my statement that you quoted)... And .35 acres was the size of the pub listed in the link by Sid inwhich the reference was to.

I also dont know of any 1 acre pubs, which is why I wasn't talking about one...

Gotcha - thanks. Where did the 500 employees at a WalMart come from? Everything I have seen says it is closer to 200.

http://nyjobsource.com/walmart.html

[bluedogok]

people do realize this is just a neighborhood market, right?

Also, not to be THAT guy, but don't buy/build your dream/retirement home right next to a zoned commercial if you don't want to have the headache of something commercial going in. Could be worse, like a gas station.

But if they want to protest and axe it from happening, good for them. Too bad we couldn't do that about KD's restuarant

It can also work in commercial real estate, sometimes bad neighbors can help a sale along. Back when Robert Tilton had the big church on I-35E in Framers Branch there was a little two-story strip center fronting 35 in front of the church. Due to traffic and parking issues with the church he had a hard time leasing it out. He tried to get them to buy the property for years but they never responded with anything but a lowball offer. Knowing someone in the adult bookstore biz, he signed them to a lease to take over the entire first floor of the center and started the permitting process and put up "coming soon" signs, Once that it looked legit the church came back to him with a good offer, so he sold it at that time.

Neighborhood Markets have started opening up here in the Denver area, we have two near us in former Albertson's locations (there are still some Albertson's open here). Never much understood why the venom against those stores other than they are part of Walmart.

[jedicurt]

Gotcha - thanks. Where did the 500 employees at a WalMart come from? Everything I have seen says it is closer to 200.

WalMart Company Profile - NYJobSource.com

someone on here made the statement that a walmart employees 300-500 people. so i went with 500 to show a potential "best of show" for walmart, and alas, it failed

[Just the facts]

someone on here made the statement that a walmart employees 300-500 people. so i went with 500 to show a potential "best of show" for walmart, and alas, it failed

Fair enough. I noticed in the closing of the Quail Springs Sears store they have 182,000 sq feet (much larger than the average Walmart) but only 98 employees (all of whom probably have to park their car at the mall).

[hipsterdoofus]

I believe Edmond residents are simply against this is because Wal Mart isnt exactly a "high end" super center when you have a city thats generally wealthy, If it was a Target, I believe they would have not been so against this idea. My opinion is just on the outside looking in lol.

The funny thing is, I don't ever recall any arguments about the neighborhood market built next to Fenwick...and yet somehow they've kept the riffraff out...

[Rom]

Fenwick isn't Oaktree and Fenwick is right in the middle of town

[Richard at Remax]

This has nothing to do with Oak Tree.

[bchris02]

From the renderings it doesn't look too bad. Most Wal-Mart neighborhood markets are alright for grocery stores, its the giant Supercenters that I hate and refuse to shop at. The only reason I would be against this is every time a Wal-Mart gets built, one or two nearby traditional grocers bites the dust. I hope this doesn't hurt Uptown Grocery because that store is great and is what OKC desperately needs more of throughout the metro. Wal-Mart already ran out most of the competition in OKC and I worry that increased saturation will run out the few competitors that are left. That said, there are numerous places in the metro that are food deserts and having a Neighborhood Market would be better than the current situation which is nothing.

[Plutonic Panda]

Edmond planners don't recommend permit for Walmart market | NewsOK.com

BTW If have time, read the commentary on this article. It is very interesting.

[Rom]

Good for Edmond

[bchris02]

Commissioners Say No To Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market In Edmond - News9.com - Oklahoma City, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports |

[Bunty]

Edmond is such a silly place.

But having more than one Wal-Mart in town is really wonderful, because if one is out of stock of what you want, then the other one will probably have it.

[Plutonic Panda]

Received word from a trusted source of mine(see I have a few sources ) that this is pretty much a go and the real estate deal is about to be finalized. Strange seeing as I thought it was turned down, but maybe something else happened. The rumored location is possibly Covell/Coltrane or perhaps the original location might still be a possibility. I know it is weird having that far separate locations, but this guy really seemed to know his stuff and he is big in real-estate. Just wanted to post, it may or may not happen, but take it with a grain of salt.

[OKCisOK4me]

If it's to be at Covell & Coltrane, the NW corner looks good to go for commercial development.