Kd's Restaurant / Legacy Grill

[rcjunkie]

Watching the recent ESPN 30 for 30 "Broke" makes me wonder if this restaurant will become a weight around KD's neck financially at any point in the future like so many of those stories in that documentary. Anyone else watch that and think of this?

NONE AT ALL, he has very little, if any, financial responsibility in this venture. (other then what he's being paid to use his name)

[Bellaboo]

Watching the recent ESPN 30 for 30 "Broke" makes me wonder if this restaurant will become a weight around KD's neck financially at any point in the future like so many of those stories in that documentary. Anyone else watch that and think of this?

KD has ZERO money invloved......HSG paid him for naming rights, that's all.

[onthestrip]

Watching the recent ESPN 30 for 30 "Broke" makes me wonder if this restaurant will become a weight around KD's neck financially at any point in the future like so many of those stories in that documentary. Anyone else watch that and think of this?

As said, KD probably has zero investment in this but also the guys in that 30 for 30 made only a fraction of what KD is guaranteed. Many of those on "Broke" probably didnt make more than $15-20mil over their careers, which after taxes, agent/managers fees and some unwise spending can leave you with very little. KD has a contract for over a $100million, or somewhere around that....hes going to be alright.

[Spartan]

Well, if it's not a ridiculous position, I'm all for excoriating this new proposal too. There are more impressive pad sites fronting I-240.

[Skyline]

Which building would 'Hogan' say is his most successful in Lower Bricktown? Other than the theater? I think it would be the Centennial.

Many developers find what works best for them in a certain area and then duplicate it at least a few times. Not sure why Hogan wouldn't want to duplicate the centennial with a KD restaurant being the primary tenant on the ground floor.

[BDP]

Not sure why Hogan wouldn't want to duplicate the centennial with a KD restaurant being the primary tenant on the ground floor.

No doubt, but it seems Hogan is completely satisfied with mediocrity. Apathy is strong with this guy. With the freeway gone, there is so much potential to make it something really nice. But he just isn't interested in doing something to change the course of the development. It's hard for me to get too worked up about this development, because there is NOTHING he could put there that would make a significant impact on the area. The whole thing has to be redone before it becomes a real destination and I'm afraid that's only going to happen after a long period of decline and sustained vacancies. Unfortunately, I think the elevation of lower bricktown's status beyond "downtown's biggest free parking lot and strip mall" is predicated on it completely failing.

[Spartan]

How is Steve's contest going?

[Steve]

Architects didn't like the contest, even though most admitted to hating the original design.

[Skyline]

It's been officially Approved.

[betts]

It's been officially Approved.

That's no surprise. It will fit right in. I'm just glad it now faces the canal and has outdoor dining (for now).

[Larry OKC]

The caption to the article pic mentioned more "balcony seating"... are they talking roof top seating or what?

[Spartan]

It's been officially Approved.

OCURA has been had again..by Hogan. I at least hope drinks were on him.

[bluedogok]

As long as he does not pull a Lebron James exit, he probably has enough good will that it would not have to be changed, especially if we win a championship or keep making deep runs for the next few years.

There is still a Shanahan's steak house in the Denver Tech Center area and he has been gone from the Broncos for awhile and with the Redskins for a few years. He still has a house here, Peyton Manning and family stayed there while they were looking for a house.

NONE AT ALL, he has very little, if any, financial responsibility in this venture. (other then what he's being paid to use his name)

KD has ZERO money invloved......HSG paid him for naming rights, that's all.

That is how most of those places are, Mickey Mantle's family has no investment in the Mickey Mantle Steak House, the Kirby's chain out of Dallas licensed his name for the OKC location. Vince Young has no involvement in his namesake restaurant in Downtown Austin, which for the owners is probably a good thing.

[jbrown84]

Well the obvious question is: Is Toby Keith in the same situation or is he actually invested in his restaurants?

I like this new design aesthetically, but it's a real shame he didn't stack at least a couple floors of residential on top.

[ljbab728]

Oklahoma City panel approves revised plans for Bricktown restaurant tied to NBA star Kevin Durant | NewsOK.com

[ABryant]

Hogan is definitely leaving a future generation a legacy of crap (probably the buildings crumble in 50 years).

[G22]

Well the obvious question is: Is Toby Keith in the same situation or is he actually invested in his restaurants?

I like this new design aesthetically, but it's a real shame he didn't stack at least a couple floors of residential on top.

If the condos above Redpin bowling are so successful I can't understand why they wouldn't want to duplicate the same success with the KD restaurant. I realize it's a smaller building but I'm sure several executive lofts or high end studio apartments could be built above the restaurant. It would add so much more to this project and increase the bricktown vibe.

[Spartan]

Wint told commissioners part of the challenge the design team faced was balancing the interest in maintaining the historic warehouse district architecture while also acknowledging its emergence as an urban entertainment district.

Huh?? This section of the article is sub-titled creative solutions... should instead be titled smoking some good ****

This whole Lower Bricktown thing is absurd.

[Pete]

Another rendering from Newsok.com:

[HangryHippo]

Another rendering from Newsok.com:

The whole thing is just a joke. Hogan's "developments" are jokes, save the Centennial, which was so nice he decided that he shouldn't replicate it anywhere else.

[Spartan]

I am more and more even wondering how the Centennial even got through his head.

We're talking about someone who clearly understands how to do quality urban development. He just chooses not to.

Then he goes to Jenks and proposes an urbanist's wet dream, not that he's going to deliver that either, but still.

[HangryHippo]

That's an excellent question. I really, really don't understand how the hell he even got the idea for the Centennial. I really loathe that ugly rust/vomit color he used on the exterior upper levels, but that building is nice and has good interactions and does well with retail, but the rest of his work just makes me want to demolish it all.

I am more and more even wondering how the Centennial even got through his head.

We're talking about someone who clearly understands how to do quality urban development. He just chooses not to.

Then he goes to Jenks and proposes an urbanist's wet dream, not that he's going to deliver that either, but still.

[Pete]

A big part of the problem is that the land Hogan is developing is very cheap (virtually free) to him, therefore if he builds anything and gets rent, it's all profit.

Yes, he might make more if he built vertically but why bother with that when you go throw up a quick and cheap 1-story building that is pre-leased?

If he had to pay market value for the land he's been developing, he could never make these short, low-density projects work.


Just goes to show the perils of giving developers artificially cheap property in an urban area.

[Spartan]

A big part of the problem is that the land Hogan is developing is very cheap (virtually free) to him, therefore if he builds anything and gets rent, it's all profit.

Yes, he might make more if he built vertically but why bother with that when you go throw up a quick and cheap 1-story building that is pre-leased?

If he had to pay market value for the land he's been developing, he could never make these short, low-density projects work.


Just goes to show the perils of giving developers artificially cheap property in an urban area.

Pete, you've made some brilliant observations before, but this is up there at the top.

"You could say he got free land.." Paul Brum, right?

[Larry OKC]

Well the obvious question is: Is Toby Keith in the same situation or is he actually invested in his restaurants?

I like this new design aesthetically, but it's a real shame he didn't stack at least a couple floors of residential on top.

Couldn't find a definitive answer with a quick google search but the indications are that he either owns them or is heavily invested in them. I recall reading an article (think it was in the Oklahoman) back when it opened talking about how he taste tested all of the menu items.

ON EDIT: this from Wiki, looks like he owns some and has franchised others

In 2005, Keith opened Toby Keith's I Love This Bar & Grill in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, as well as Tulsa, Oklahoma, and now also has restaurants in Thackerville, Oklahoma; Auburn Hills, Michigan; Kansas City; Las Vegas; Mesa, Arizona; St. Louis Park, Minnesota; Foxborough, Massachusetts;Cincinnati, Ohio and Denver, Colorado. Keith does not actually own the new restaurants; the new restaurant is the first in a franchise under Scottsdale, Arizona-based Capri Restaurant Group Enterprises LLC, which purchased the master license agreement to build more Toby Keith restaurants nationwide. Capri Restaurant Group is owned by Frank Capri, who opened the restaurant in Mesa in the shopping center known as Mesa Riverview and is planning on opening multiple locations across the country.[9]

In 2009, Capri Restaurant Group announced that it will open another I Love this Bar & Grill location in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania's South Side Works shopping and entertainment district.[10]
February 2010 marked the opening of the Toby Keith's I Love This Bar & Grill in the Winstar World Casino, exit 1 on Interstate 35 in Oklahoma. Other locations opened in 2010 by the Capri Restaurant Group included those in Great Lakes Crossing in Auburn Hills, Michigan and in the Shops at West End in St. Louis Park, Minnesota. Expected to open in late 2011 is the location at The Shops at Oyster Point in Newport News, Virginia.[11][12]