Sooners vs Longhorns

[BoulderSooner]

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

[Just the facts]

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

Not even close. Geno Smith alone beats him out.

[Bellaboo]

There is a great amount of agreement that OU’s best ever deep ball thrower ever was Jason White followed by Sam Bradford.

Bradford hands down was the best.......................

[dankrutka]

I somewhat agree with your thesis, but I would counter that White had better deep-threat receivers than Landry has had overall. Broyles was a stud but didn't have blinding speed like Mark Bradley and Clayton had.

Landry has a much better arm than White did, and is capable of making throws very few QBs are capable of making. Bradford was similar in that regard, if slightly better.

Jones is the winningest QB in OU history. It's embarrassing as an OU fan to hear so many ignorami unfairly criticize him. The guy's one of the best QBs in our history and knuckledraggers are complaining about him? Why on earth if you were a stud high school QB would you want to play in front of fans like that?

Landry is undefeated as a starter against Texas!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in bowl games!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in Big 12 Championship games!
Landry owns virtually every OU passing record!
Landry is the winningest QB in Oklahoma football history!

Yeah, he hasn't proven it on the field. He really sucks.

What color is the sky in your world?

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

[dankrutka]

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

Based on what criteria? White was a great college QB, and deserved to win the Heisman. He finished 3rd the year after.

[BoulderSooner]

double post

[BoulderSooner]

only 1 conf championship against a terrible Colorado team .. horrible play in both MNC championship games .... very few "clutch" moments ...

and NFL talent all around him .. at WR rb and oline .. of course then he "retired" from the nfl with out playing in 1 preseason game

[MonkeesFan]

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

Well said!

[MonkeesFan]

jason white is the most overrated qb in college football history ...

Hell no he is not

[MonkeesFan]

Bradford hands down was the best.......................

I thought Jason White has the best ever deep ball thrower, Sam Bradford is a very close 2nd

[Bellaboo]

I somewhat agree with your thesis, but I would counter that White had better deep-threat receivers than Landry has had overall. Broyles was a stud but didn't have blinding speed like Mark Bradley and Clayton had.

Landry has a much better arm than White did, and is capable of making throws very few QBs are capable of making. Bradford was similar in that regard, if slightly better.

Jones is the winningest QB in OU history. It's embarrassing as an OU fan to hear so many ignorami unfairly criticize him. The guy's one of the best QBs in our history and knuckledraggers are complaining about him? Why on earth if you were a stud high school QB would you want to play in front of fans like that?

Landry is undefeated as a starter against Texas!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in bowl games!
Landry is undefeated as a starter in Big 12 Championship games!
Landry owns virtually every OU passing record!
Landry is the winningest QB in Oklahoma football history!

Yeah, he hasn't proven it on the field. He really sucks.

What color is the sky in your world?

Landry is just okay. Not bad, but not great either. The only reason his name is plastered in your list is because he stayed for 4 years. Hypel was here just 2 and Bradford played 3. White seemed like he was here about 10 years but that was because he was always hurt. How many times has Landry fumbled inside the red zone ?........several, and this years K-State fumble killed us. In this case, the numbers lie.

Your sky must be heavily tarnished in red.

[Bellaboo]

I thought Jason White has the best ever deep ball thrower, Sam Bradford is a very close 2nd

Sam Bradford had the highest pro-day rating of any OU quarterback ever. He had a 97% completion ratio with the only drop a catchable ball.

White was a good deep passer, but not near as accurate as Bradford.... and Bradford has played a few downs in the NFL.

[MonkeesFan]

only 1 conf championship against a terrible Colorado team .. horrible play in both MNC championship games .... very few "clutch" moments ...

and NFL talent all around him .. at WR rb and oline .. of course then he "retired" from the nfl with out playing in 1 preseason game

He retired from the NFL because of his knees which he had 2 surgeries from tearing his acl in both knees

[dankrutka]

only 1 conf championship against a terrible Colorado team .. horrible play in both MNC championship games .... very few "clutch" moments ...

and NFL talent all around him .. at WR rb and oline .. of course then he "retired" from the nfl with out playing in 1 preseason game

Well, first, no one is saying that he is a great NFL QB so that's just a strawman. Secondly, he made plentry of clutch plays. Here are some examples:

Hostile environment, late in the season... stepped up in the pocket for the game winner:


Third, your criteria are just conference championship games and national championship games?!? That makes sense?!? Do you punish all the QBs who couldn't even get their teams there? White was a great college QB, but no one claims he is a top 5 QB of all time or anything. I feel that because he did not have a great NFL career that he is actually underrated. He threw an incredibly accruate deep ball, he made great decisions, had exceptional pocket presence, and he made very few mistakes. If you want to pick him apart for a few bad games then I can show you a ton of well respected QBs who had way worse games.

So, I'm sorry, but you're wrong. I watched every game Jason White played at OU and he was a great college QB that is largely forgotten by most of the country. He is actually underrated.

[dankrutka]

Here's an example of a beautiful Jason White deep ball in a hostile environment:

[dankrutka]

And, finally, Jason White didn't make a bunch of clutch plays because OU was busy blowing teams out... Should he be punished for that?!? Here's a ton of highlights of him severely outplaying Vince Young:

[dankrutka]

Sam Bradford had the highest pro-day rating of any OU quarterback ever. He had a 97% completion ratio with the only drop a catchable ball.

White was a good deep passer, but not near as accurate as Bradford.... and Bradford has played a few downs in the NFL.

First, there's a big difference between pro-day and gameday. Bradford was the most accurate passer in OU history without question, but I still think Jason White edge's him out on true deep balls.

[soonerguru]

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

OK. I'll play. Name all of these "awful games" he's had. Last season he only played badly against OSU. The other losses were because of that sieve we called a defense with Venables in charge.

I recall Sam Bradford and Jason White having "awful" games too. Remember Sam choking it off against Colorado? Remember White in both national championship games and in the Big 12 title game against K-State? Remember Heupel's game against Colorado in Stoops' first season? All QBs have bad games from time to time, but you cannot argue that being OU's winningest QB in history is not great. That would be idiotic.

[soonerguru]

Landry is just okay. Not bad, but not great either. The only reason his name is plastered in your list is because he stayed for 4 years. Hypel was here just 2 and Bradford played 3. White seemed like he was here about 10 years but that was because he was always hurt. How many times has Landry fumbled inside the red zone ?........several, and this years K-State fumble killed us. In this case, the numbers lie.

Your sky must be heavily tarnished in red.

OK. Tell me how many times he's fumbled in the red zone. I can think of two or three times in a four-year career. Big whoop.

So your argument is that actual records and stats are not to be believed but we should just ignore the facts and trust your expert opinion instead? That makes no sense. And if I'm going to trust someone's subjective opinion, I'll take Barry Switzer's over yours. He says Landry is a stud, and he knows a little bit more about quality QB play than you do.

[soonerguru]

I disagree that Clayton was faster than Broyles. Landry is a good, not great, college QB. He has had some great games, and some awful ones. He's certainly not in the same class as Bradford, White, and Heupel. He has 3 wins against terrible Texas teams, and he's won bowl games against overmatched competition (mostly be because we played our way out of bigger games). The reason he has more wins than those other QBs is simly because he started a lot more games. I appreciate what Landry has done, but he's going to have to have a heck of a final half of his senior to be mentioned with those other OU QBs.

Oh, so you're saying Broyles dialed up a sub 4.4 40 at the combine like Clayton? Wrong.

[dankrutka]

Oh, so you're saying Broyles dialed up a sub 4.4 40 at the combine like Clayton? Wrong.

Provide a source please.

[dankrutka]

This is hilarious. Landry has had more awful games than Heupel, White, and Bradford combined. In 2009 at Nebraska, Landry threw 5 interceptions to 0 TDs. I don't think any of the other QBs ever threw more than 2 INTs w/out a TD. Landry was abysmal against OSU last year (unforced fumble, INTs). Landry did not lead the offense to a TD in either of those games. Besides Baylor, Landry did not have a good game in his last 5 games last year. This is off the top of my head... It's ridiculous that this is even a conversation. You really can't know much about football to seriously contend they Landry is in the class of OU's recent Heisman winners and runner-up.

[dankrutka]

Oh, so you're saying Broyles dialed up a sub 4.4 40 at the combine like Clayton? Wrong.

10 seconds of googling showed that you just make up stuff: SI.com - 2005 NFL Draft - Mark Clayton

Did you think no one would check to see if you're just making up stuff?

He was tested at a high of 4.41 in a different run.

[Laramie]

This was the most disappointing loss for a Texas team coming into the Cotton Bowl in years. As a life-long Sooner fan and alum; my relatives in Texas were sick to their stomachs and had major sleeping problems after the game. I didn't have the heart to rub it in; nor did I have too. I actually felt sorry for UT and their fans.

Everyone was expecting this game to be competitive. What a letdown!

I hope they give Mack Brown at least another year before they retire him to the position as Texas' Athletic Director.

[ou48A]

Bradford was the most accurate passer in OU history without question, but I still think Jason White edge's him out on true deep balls.

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According to several coaches and others who do this for a living (who know far more than fans) White was the more accurate deep ball passer.

At one point even Bradford admitted this. But over all Bradford was the better QB.. He had healthy knees and more mobility. Bradford had a better ability to see the field and find an open receiver. With Bradford’s very high IQ he never made the same mistake twice.


Several are still pretty raw, but improving, but in time I think that most of us will say that this young group of receivers coming up is the best group in school history. (In time)

If OU can find /develop some good OL and very good DT’s OU has a chance to go on another run of great football even by OU standards. But the linemen issue is a very big unknown at this point.