Two minute google searches is definitive research.
This is the second time you've switched arguments instantly when it suits you. First you say you've lived all over the world and imply that it is fanciful idealism to think that we could have a city that is built to foster something as natural and common as walking. Then Sid refers you back to his map of Seattle to demonstrate that it is, in fact, practical. Now you're back to saying it's just not possible in OKC. Because...you know...OKC is OKC, not Seattle. I'm not trying to attack you or belittle your input, but we're just trying to have honest discussions about improving our city in very real and achievable ways. I'm sure everyone would be welcoming of actual constructive input and criticism of ideas being discussed, but I personally am annoyed and put off by your whining and nay-saying. It's not helpful and it stymies the pursuit of a productive discourse.
It isn't impossible to adequately size the facilities for current or expected use.
Do you mean: is there any possibility of the Little Flower Church being torn down? I have never heard a discussion about the Little Flower Church that didn't support it as an important part of the fabric of that area. I do not believe there is any possibility of it being torn down.
haven't whined at all ... comments that compare a south side okc soccer complex to being in dallas ... is not close to productive ..... and at the current time there is not a place in okc that you could build a soccer complex where even half of the teams could walk to the field ... is that possible in the future? i hope so but that is not going to happen for a long long time
new urbanism is a great thing in the right context .. but a lot of the problems that it solves we simply don't have in OKC and might not have in our lifetimes ...
I have come to the conclusion you don't know what the problems are.
Segregation of society (which degrades race relations, income envy, poverty, government dependency, etc)
Obesity
Heart disease
Diabetes
Wasted infrastructure
Inefficient land use
Crime
Social isolation of teens - which leads to depression, drug use, suicide, etc
Suspended childhood for pre-teens
Lonely (abandoned) senior citizens
Water shortages
High taxes (at least higher than they should be)
Pollution
etc....
OKC has most of these problems, and many more, in droves.
I would add energy dependence to that list. Many people fail to make the connection between our development patterns and the energy resources and cost required to build and maintain them.
"American Urban Development and National Security" - that would make a heck of a master's thesis.......
I'm sorry. You had not whined.
I think this points out a difference in approach to this between you and some others here. New Urbanism isn't at the heart about solving existing problems practically. It's not about finding where new Urbanism can benefit the city in its current contexts. It is about shifting the perspective and changing the context, not acting within the current context. The problems we have now are not problems we want to have (e.g. figuring out where to provide ludicrous amounts of parking for a downtown that people travel to, instead of live in/near). But the problems that new Urbanism solves are problems we desire to encounter and overcome because of the benefits that they endow on our city. So instead of having thousands of parking spots downtown, we can say "let's just create an environment downtown that people want to live in (while providing some parking and public transportation for those who don't)."
New Urbanism is about changing the context. Not acting within it.
For the record, I think building a 16-field soccer complex anywhere near downtown would be a ridiculous waste of money and property.
That too CaptDave. How about a $16 trillion debt - nearly all of it accumulated since 1950 trying to solve the problems created by sprawl, or worse, making more sprawl possible.
Exactly. New Urbanism doesn't try to address those problems directly, as BoulderSooner suggests, but works toward a new context in which those problems atrophy. We don't need a soccer complex within walking distance of a dozen teams, but that doesn't mean we don't need New Urbanism. And someday because of New Urbanism we may need (or, more appropriately, desire) a soccer complex.
duplicate post. sorry.
Bingo - addressing the problems directly is what we spent the $16 trillion we don't have on - and it isn't working becasue we are creating the problems faster than we can treat the symptoms - while never even touching the actual root of the problem.
And I didn't even touch on the number of people who are directly killed or injured in auto accidents - who are forced to drive because for 99% of the people there is no alternative. For those of us who do walk or ride bikes - our number 1 cause of death while doing so - being hit by a car.
For that matter the woman I see multiple times a week on my way home from work rolling down Penn in a wheelchair hugging the curb and praying, I'm sure, that she doesn't get run over as she just tries to get to Aldi and back home on a street with no sidewalks. Every time I see that I'm outraged that we don't provide an environment in our city where a woman can simply get groceries without literally risking her life.
You and me both! I see her daily and worry that she's going to be crushed. All because of no sidewalks. What a damn shame!!
No, we really don't have that, nor does any other city except for Overland Park...This is a world class facility not just flood plains turned into soccer fields.
Why regurgitate the Myriad Gardens on a bigger scale?
Why divert development away from the CBD and Bricktown, which has not seen it's potential?
Why the build it and they will come mentality?
1950... also the beginning of the military industrial complex. There are many complex reasons. Let's not act like new urbanism fixes everything, but I agree that society it better off with urban living as a prominent lifestyle choice. In OKC, it's just now being considered as one by a very small portion of the population. There is still a long way to go before most people actually consider living in an urban environment.
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