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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Say what? (this will be a shock to folks in several decades-old entertainment districts across the country)
    I think you will find that those 'entertainment districts' evolved. I'm not saying Bricktown isn't evolving, I was countering the argument putforth that said Bricktown was built as an entertainment district and this is all it will ever be. Bricktown is obviously already moving beyond an 'entertainment district' with the addition of office, retail, education, hotel/conference center, and housing. If after 20 years Bricktown was still just bars and restraunts it would have died a long time ago.

    An entertainment district isn't going to make it long term on Friday and Satruday night crowds and lunch rush. It has to be more than that - which Bricktown is. That was my only point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Steve's next Tweet said their issue was with how the building interacts with the surface parking, not the canal.

    So much for hope.
    They don't like the building either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    I think you will find that those 'entertainment districts' evolved. I'm not saying Bricktown isn't evolving, I was countering the argument putforth that said Bricktown was built as an entertainment district and this is all it will ever be. Bricktown is obviously already moving beyond an 'entertainment district' with the addition of office, retail, education, hotel/conference center, and housing. If after 20 years Bricktown was still just bars and restraunts it would have died a long time ago.

    An entertainment district isn't going to make it long term on Friday and Satruday night crowds and lunch rush. It has to be more than that - which Bricktown is. That was my only point.
    Ok, that makes more sense...

  4. #354

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    They don't like the building either.
    Good news.

    Thanks for your stories about this issue, as they bring awareness and certainly help to influence the subsequent decisions.

  5. #355

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    Why didn't they bring these issues up with Toby Keith's?

  6. #356

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    This is a completely different OCURA group since Toby Keith's was built.

  7. #357

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcca7596 View Post
    Why didn't they bring these issues up with Toby Keith's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    This is a completely different OCURA group since Toby Keith's was built.
    Let's not rule out the presence of an engaged public, made possible in part by OKCTalk and other social media. We had Oklahomas Own at the time, but the audience was very small.

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    Imagine something like this in place of the single story strip mall in front of the theater.....

    http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/wp...ity-center.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptDave View Post
    Imagine something like this in place of the single story strip mall in front of the theater.....

    http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/wp...ity-center.png
    That looks almost like what Hogan promised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    Let's not rule out the presence of an engaged public, made possible in part by OKCTalk and other social media. We had Oklahomas Own at the time, but the audience was very small.
    Yes, and Steve's articles and blog definitely brought attention to the issue.


    Just six months ago, OCURA didn't even publish it's agenda or minutes. Folding it into the Economic Development Trust has already brought massive changes.

    Up until very recently, most of their dealings were very much out of the public eye.

  11. #361

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    That looks almost like what Hogan promised.
    Looking at the renderings used initially by Hogan, it reminds me of something we had in Dayton: The Greene | Dayton Ohio | Stores Restaurants Activities

    For what it is, it's really nice. It functions as a national chain shopping mall, but adds a large ammount of office space and rented apartments. There is no canal, but it's a very walkable development, and is a nice place spend a day. Had Lower Bricktown been developed like this, I don't think anyone would have too much to complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptDave View Post
    Imagine something like this in place of the single story strip mall in front of the theater.....

    http://www.smartgrowthamerica.org/wp...ity-center.png
    Where is this? Carmel, Indiana? Oklahoma just doesn't get things like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnlyOne View Post
    Where is this? Carmel, Indiana? Oklahoma just doesn't get things like that.
    Yes, Carmel, IN.

    I think we CAN do things like this if we insist on great rather than settling for "good enough" or "it is better than nothing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnlyOne View Post
    Where is this? Carmel, Indiana? Oklahoma just doesn't get things like that.
    Looks similar to one in downtown Pasadena, CA.

  15. #365

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    Tip of the hat to everyone on this board for making an impact in OKC. First the boulevard and now hopefully KD's cafe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Looks similar to one in downtown Pasadena, CA.
    This illustrates my point. I never hear someone say that a nice development like that looks similar to anything here. I just would like to see better here.

  17. #367

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    There are tons of developments like this in Cali, even in not very dense areas.

    Given that the condos at the Centennial sold out in no time flat at very high prices, it shows the interest in housing in that immediate area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    Let's not rule out the presence of an engaged public, made possible in part by OKCTalk and other social media. We had Oklahomas Own at the time, but the audience was very small.
    Speaking of..... I was really hoping Griffin Communications was going to do something cool with Oklahomasown.com when they bought it from me, but, as of yet, it hasn't panned out that way.

  19. #369

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    I didn't attend the meeting, but does Hogan still sport that mullet?

  20. #370

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBatesokc View Post
    Speaking of..... I was really hoping Griffin Communications was going to do something cool with Oklahomasown.com when they bought it from me, but, as of yet, it hasn't panned out that way.
    You mean, a repository for archived "My Two Cents" from Kelly Ogle doesn't make sticky online content?

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    Excellent quotes from Larry Nichols and Jim Tolbert in Steve's story in the DO this morning. I hope Randy was listening, but he seemed more interested in defending an unappealing proposal. I hope v 2.0 is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Yes, and Steve's articles and blog definitely brought attention to the issue.


    Just six months ago, OCURA didn't even publish it's agenda or minutes. Folding it into the Economic Development Trust has already brought massive changes.

    Up until very recently, most of their dealings were very much out of the public eye.
    this can't be stated enough ...... just a small correction ... it is really now part of the Alliance for economic development .. not the ED trust ..

    the Alliance has a pretty good website now OCURA has a good site now as well ... and i believe that OCURA will be on SIRE soon as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    There are tons of developments like this in Cali, even in not very dense areas.

    Given that the condos at the Centennial sold out in no time flat at very high prices, it shows the interest in housing in that immediate area.
    Im not dissagreeing with you that there is an interest in housing in that area, but when the Centennial opened a large chunk of the units were bought up by Devon/chk to use as corporate housing. So the numbers look better than they should. My folks just bought one of the units Devon was trying to unload back in January. Now there is a unit in forclosure and still some devon units that still havent sold yet. CHK has 2/3 for sale as well.

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    I would like to see Mr. Hogan step up to the plate and hit a home run with a "Centennial II" type project. Ground floor restaurant / retail and upper level either offices or condos. He has done it before and the Centennial is his crown jewel of Lower Bricktown. There is absolutely no reason that Hogan can not be successful with a higher quality development here.

  25. #375

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    And yet I know people who are buying at Centennial, and I know someone who sold their apartment there almost as soon as it went in the market recently. It wouldn't be my choice, but there are certainly sales occurring.

    We still don't have the demographic interest in downtown living that many bigger and more well-established cities have, but I do see opinions changing. I suspect there is housing that could be built in lower Bricktown that would have even more appeal than the Centennial. Parking is a Bricktown issue, but its the perfect location for true loft living and might provide a closer to entry level housing than new construction. I wonder why that isn't being explored more for unused upper floors in Bricktown.

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