Prostitution In OKC

[Redskin 70]

Yet, you return, time and time again - not to actually add anything to the topic, but to revert into some 7th grade bully mentality. Guess what Roadhawg, I get it - you're no fan of what I do. Trust me, that's no big deal to me. But the constant need of yours to followup each and every post of mine with your nonsense and juvenile behavior gets really old. I don't make it a habit to promote my activism on this site and limit it to simply responding to related threads.

At any point will you be satisfied that we (I) get it - you find satisfaction in sitting namelessly behind your computer throwing stones but providing zero content or insights to the topic at hand?

Obviously either the topic of prostitution or myself are of great interest to you. Regardless, why don't you stop with the middle school mentality and come to the next public meeting regarding the topic. Its 2/10 at the Salvation Army 2808 SE 44th Street from 6:30pm - 9pm. We had a huge turnout at the last meeting, so you can find comfort in knowing you can remain anonymous. We are pleased to welcome keynote speaker Alesia Adams,Territorial Coordinator For Human/Sex Trafficking, from Atlanta GA.

Who knows, maybe you'll learn something.

Mr bates, I find what you do to be a good service.
As a retired police officer with over 25 years out here thoswe who think that prostitution is a "victimless" crime are self deluded or participating themselves.

Keep it up. Its good, its moral and its Christian

[Roadhawg]

Mr bates, I find what you do to be a good service.
As a retired police officer with over 25 years out here thoswe who think that prostitution is a "victimless" crime are self deluded or participating themselves.

Keep it up. Its good, its moral and its Christian

Yep... we should all live by what others think are moral and Christian.

[BBatesokc]

Yep... we should all live by what others think are moral and Christian.

Yeah, because thinking its okay to pick up homeless drug addicts or trafficked street women is preferential?

Does that even have to be labeled "moral" or "Christian" to be the right way to live?

You wanna solicit some chick off the Internet or in a bar - go for it. You want to try and defend a person's 'right' to solicit people on Robinson and you've got a principles I'll never understand. But its obvious you and I see the world differently.

[Roadhawg]

Yeah, because thinking its okay to pick up homeless drug addicts or trafficked street women is preferential?

Does that even have to be labeled "moral" or "Christian" to be the right way to live?

You wanna solicit some chick off the Internet or in a bar - go for it. You want to try and defend a person's 'right' to solicit people on Robinson and you've got a principles I'll never understand. But its obvious you and I see the world differently.

What I was saying is not everybody has to live by what some see as moral or Christian. If some butt ugly guy or a disabled guy need to go get a hooker to have some enjoyment then so be it. It's not my place to tell that guy he shouldn't do it because it might be against my beliefs. If I find it against my morals or religious belief then I don't do it but I sure as hell don't put that person down because he believes differently. That's just arrogance at it's highest. Personally I would like to see that "homeless drug addict" get help but while they are on the street I would rather they get their money from hooking than stealing, which I'm sure they already do but to a lesser degree.

You're right about us seeing the world somewhat different, I would never dream of going up to somebodies car with a camera and opening up their door or following them around. Seems a good way to get hurt is you open up the wrong door. So I'll stick with what I do and you can stick to your tabloid TV.

[kevinpate]

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You wanna solicit some chick off the Internet or in a bar - go for it. ...

Other than not disturbing residents living near typical stroll areas, is it really any different if the 'chick off the internet or in a bar' is still a homeless/trafficked/addicted teen or adult? Still not a free will voluntary activity if only the location changes.

[BBatesokc]

Other than not disturbing residents living near typical stroll areas, is it really any different if the 'chick off the internet or in a bar' is still a homeless/trafficked/addicted teen or adult? Still not a free will voluntary activity if only the location changes.

Exactly. I agree 100%. My stated goal is to only target prostitution that is public, forced or organized. My example was implying if some woman (or man) WANTS to be a professional whore, and they keep their business 100% behind closed doors, I don't have to like it or wish it upon anyone, but I'm certainly not going to stand up against it feel the government should get involved.

[BBatesokc]

What I was saying is not everybody has to live by what some see as moral or Christian. If some butt ugly guy or a disabled guy need to go get a hooker to have some enjoyment then so be it. It's not my place to tell that guy he shouldn't do it because it might be against my beliefs. If I find it against my morals or religious belief then I don't do it but I sure as hell don't put that person down because he believes differently. That's just arrogance at it's highest. Personally I would like to see that "homeless drug addict" get help but while they are on the street I would rather they get their money from hooking than stealing, which I'm sure they already do but to a lesser degree.

You're right about us seeing the world somewhat different, I would never dream of going up to somebodies car with a camera and opening up their door or following them around. Seems a good way to get hurt is you open up the wrong door. So I'll stick with what I do and you can stick to your tabloid TV.

In your scenario (which by the way hardly ever actual plays out in real life on S. Robinson) then this imaginary ugly disabled guy is free to seek the companionship of a 100% consensual, private and professional whore. Not only would he not meet up with me, but he also would be far less likely to run into police, contract a disease or get robbed. Not to mention, probably have a much better time.

Most of the 'men' police catch in Robinson stings are married Hispanics. Most of the men I catch on Robinson are married Caucasians. Not ugly disabled lonely guys who can't get sex any other way.

To me, this has nothing to do with Christian beliefs, I'm openly Agnostic. It has to do with basic decency to individuals and the community.

I'm not exactly certain what kind of 'man' has a belief system where it is acceptable to solicit homeless drug addicts or trafficked individuals for their 'entertainment' as you put it.

A person is free to disagree with my tactics of addressing the issue - what I do is admittedly controversial - but obviously what has been done by others up to this point does not work and I volunteer lots of time, energy and money to other causes that address this issue in other ways.

[kevinpate]

Having seen some of your videos, your married caucasian guys would also be prime candidates for an Ugly Man jeans ad campaign.

I find it somewhat interesting you usually tag caucasians in your lens and the police usually tag hispanics in stings. Different parts of the stroll? Different 'shifts'? What in your experience might account for the different demographics?

[BBatesokc]

Having seen some of your videos, your married caucasian guys would also be prime candidates for an Ugly Man jeans ad campaign.

I find it somewhat interesting you usually tag caucasians in your lens and the police usually tag hispanics in stings. Different parts of the stroll? Different 'shifts'? What in your experience might account for the different demographics?

Both OCPD Vice and myself primarily target S. Robinson Ave.and primarily in daylight hours - The difference is the circumstances surroundings my arrests vs their arrests.

An OCPD arrest only occurs because police conducted a sting wherein they placed undercover female officers on Robinson to arrest men that solicit them. The stings are pretty obvious, even for many inexperienced casual observers. However, it seems the Hispanic males often do not detect the tell-tale signs of a sting - I assume its a cultural thing.

In my arrests, nothing is setup so there is nothing to detect. I feel the demographics of my arrests are more realistic to the overall numbers and nationalities/races of most of the johns. If you watch, there are far more Caucasian males trolling Robinson Ave than Hispanic males, but to look at OCPD arrest data it wouldn't look that way.

As for the 'ugly man' stereotype - I guess its all relative. But regardless of their looks, most are married from the ones I hear from - to wonderful wives who provide very normal sex lives.

Two examples;

1.) A video I just recently posted is of a guy (a biker) who was in his wife's mini-van. Ironically the min-van had a vanity plate that read, "I'm not spoiled, I'm just well taken care of." I caught him with a young girl just off Robinson. The girl was actually one of the main prostitutes of a pimp named 'Stacks' who was recently murdered by another prostitute at SW 43 and Rob. She has now been passed down to Stacks' cousin, Crawford.

The guy is the Commander of VFW Post 382 in El Reno and a member of the Rolling Thunder cycle club. At the time of the tape he was a regular on Robinson. I've heard from several people in El Reno who know him (apparently this is the talk of the town). They all say his wife is a wonderful woman and he dotes over her (and she over him) and can't imagine why he did this - especially when he was risking so much.

2.) Another guy caught on tape just emailed me to let me know what happened after he got caught and his wife saw his picture on my Twitter stream (she happens to follow me).

"I just wanted to update you. Suprisingly, my wife did not kick me out, nor has she left me. We sat down and talked for some time about the whole incident.

It was at a time when she and I were having difficulties. She was a lot nore forgiving than I gave her credit for. I think you helped strngthen a marriage, and for that I am truley Thankful.

Thank again Brian. You Rock Dude. (Lets call this a life lesson WELL LEARNED. A Success Story)."



I wouldn't call either one of the guys 'good looking', but both apparently have good wives.

Did I have any right to tape them and publicly humiliate them? Maybe, maybe not. All depends on one's perspective. I don't hold it against anyone who disagrees with my tactics (if they can mange to keep it civil). But regardless of my tactics, the problem of this type of public and forced prostitution is a real issue, is not victimless and should not be ignored.

[Roadhawg]

In your scenario (which by the way hardly ever actual plays out in real life on S. Robinson) then this imaginary ugly disabled guy is free to seek the companionship of a 100% consensual, private and professional whore. Not only would he not meet up with me, but he also would be far less likely to run into police, contract a disease or get robbed. Not to mention, probably have a much better time.

Most of the 'men' police catch in Robinson stings are married Hispanics. Most of the men I catch on Robinson are married Caucasians. Not ugly disabled lonely guys who can't get sex any other way.

To me, this has nothing to do with Christian beliefs, I'm openly Agnostic. It has to do with basic decency to individuals and the community.

I'm not exactly certain what kind of 'man' has a belief system where it is acceptable to solicit homeless drug addicts or trafficked individuals for their 'entertainment' as you put it.

A person is free to disagree with my tactics of addressing the issue - what I do is admittedly controversial - but obviously what has been done by others up to this point does not work and I volunteer lots of time, energy and money to other causes that address this issue in other ways.

I don't think it's a secret that we have different opinions on this issue and it's safe to assume neither one of us is going to change the others mind and I do support the volunteer work you've done. The difference, as I see it, is I don't see the harm in somebody who in most cases couldn't get laid without paying for it picking up a hooker. I try to not be arrogant enough to think everybody should have the same morals and values I do and live their life according to what I think they should do. If you want to really make a difference why don't you go around filming drug dealers and going up to their cars and opening the doors on them? Doesn't seem a person is free to disagree with you because when they do you attack them. <shrug>

[BBatesokc]

America's Most Wanted Profiled one of Oklahoma's most high profile and infamous human traffickers. However, he was actually arrested in Houston a day before this episode aired. He will be brought back to OKC soon.

This is a guy I've confronted many times on S. Robinson and he's a real P.O.S.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cf...0185&refresh=1

[Achilleslastand]

America's Most Wanted Profiled one of Oklahoma's most high profile and infamous human traffickers. However, he was actually arrested in Houston a day before this episode aired. He will be brought back to OKC soon.

This is a guy I've confronted many times on S. Robinson and he's a real P.O.S.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cf...0185&refresh=1

Sweet!

[FFLady]

I think a few on here question your motives Bates - but I say good on ya - keep the exposure...!

[BBatesokc]

I think a few on here question your motives Bates - but I say good on ya - keep the exposure...!

Thanks. I'd hope after 15+ year my motives would be clear - spend my life involved in the activism of awareness surrounding prostitution and human trafficking while being able to be financially self-sustaining (meaning it doesn't cost anyone a dime and I don't take grant money that could be used by other organizations)

Just to get this out there; Don't point any fingers at me when the anti-trafficking and prostitution groups start their fear mongering about how the NBA Championship is going to attract record numbers of pimps, human traffickers and prostitutes to OKC. I am openly against such tactics because they have zero foundation in reality. That said, groups are already starting to mobilize to get that message out - which in my opinion unnecessarily tarnishes the great things hosting the Championship means to OKC. While I am a member of at least one of these well known and respected organizations, I am a vocal critic of this particular awareness campaign. Just saying.

[Jim Kyle]

Here's some backup data (on a much larger scale) for your position, too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18174387

[Roadhawg]

Nm

[BBatesokc]

Here's some backup data (on a much larger scale) for your position, too: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18174387

Thanks.

I actually just posted this article regarding OATH's initiative to convince Oklahomans a sex trafficking hoard is heading to our fair city.

http://johntv.com/?p=2761

[Jim Kyle]

I was especially impressed by the BBC's report about the Greek Olympics in 2004. The record shows that the number of sex-related arrests DOUBLED during the Olympics -- but that this was just 181 compared to 93 the previous year, a far cry from the 40,000 that had been predicted! And not a single one of those 181 arrests was linked to the Olympics.

Crying "Wolf!" too often is never a good idea...

EDIT: Incidentally, you have a typo in that post's disclaimer. It says AOTH instead of OATH at one place...

[Martin]

I was especially impressed by the BBC's report about the Greek Olympics in 2004. The record shows that the number of sex-related arrests DOUBLED during the Olympics -- but that this was just 181 compared to 93 the previous year, a far cry from the 40,000 that had been predicted! And not a single one of those 181 arrests was linked to the Olympics.

i wonder if it could be argued that the reported doubling is the result of an increase in enforcement rather than an increase in activity. -M

[BigBadBen]

If prostitution was restricted to consenting adults, then so be it.

The problem is the human trafficking where these young girls are victims. That's sad stuff.

[1972ford]

We should have a state sponsered whore house. The hookers pay for STD screenings and john's have to have one as well in the last 15 days if your dirty you don't get lucky. It would probably save oklahoma money in the end. as well as reduced inmate populations slightly. of course this is a joke suggestion but if the demand is that highlets legalize brothels in a small area mandate condom use yada yada like they do in Reno then we would have another avenue of revenue to the city and state. just put them where the hookers already are lol.

[BBatesokc]

We should have a state sponsered whore house. The hookers pay for STD screenings and john's have to have one as well in the last 15 days if your dirty you don't get lucky. It would probably save oklahoma money in the end. as well as reduced inmate populations slightly. of course this is a joke suggestion but if the demand is that highlets legalize brothels in a small area mandate condom use yada yada like they do in Reno then we would have another avenue of revenue to the city and state. just put them where the hookers already are lol.

Yeah, that idea did wonders for Nevada (not).

[kevinpate]

Out of curiosity, when did prostitution become legal in Reno? I was under the impression both LV & Reno were in counties which excluded brothels by state law and it was only the more rural counties which could say yea or nay to permit one or more brothels to operate.

[BBatesokc]

Out of curiosity, when did prostitution become legal in Reno? I was under the impression both LV & Reno were in counties which excluded brothels by state law and it was only the more rural counties which could say yea or nay to permit one or more brothels to operate.

Just more evidence the poster hasn't really put much thought into their response.

You are correct, while most of Nevada allows for legalized prostitution (by square miles), the areas that are actually populated do not allow prostitution. Even with legalized and regulated prostitution, it has done nothing to reduce illegal prostitution and trafficking in that state.

[BBatesokc]

FYI - The FBI was in OKC late last week and this weekend teaming up with local police for Operation Cross Country - a initiative of the FBI's Innocence Lost project targeting human and child trafficking.

Lots of people arrested and some for exploiting minors for prostitution. Will probably start hearing about it in the news this week.