Occupy OKC Prostest the I40 crosstown opening

[BBatesokc]

[QUOTE=rcjunkie;497199]

Agree 110%.

I understand where RCjunkie is coming from and that is my knee jerk reaction too. But, you can't ignore the plain and simple fact that one acted legally and the other did not. The simple truth is, people have every right to go show up at events such as these and act in a way that they know will get a reaction.[/QUOTE]


How sad that this is accepted behavior!!!!!

Its not about 'acceptable behavior' its about individual rights and the law. The law allows people to do all kinds of things that are not widely seen as acceptable behavior. The civil rights movement, along with many others were acts of civil disobedience, that many people found appalling at the time and were done to get a reaction from police and those they opposed.

What is sad is that professionally trained officers could not see this for what it was and deal with it properly.

[rcjunkie]

[QUOTE=BBatesokc;497206]

Its not about 'acceptable behavior' its about individual rights and the law. The law allows people to do all kinds of things that are not widely seen as acceptable behavior. The civil rights movement, along with many others were acts of civil disobedience, that many people found appalling at the time and were done to get a reaction from police and those they opposed.

What is sad is that professionally trained officers could not see this for what it was and deal with it properly.

What's sad is that no one respects authority anymore. If you want to protest fine, make your cheesy signs, stand on the corner and scream like an idiot, but you don't have to get in the officers face.

[Thunder]

The guy getting in the officer's face is wrong, but not illegal. He could have been arrested for disturbance or something similar. It still doesn't excuse the officer's behavior, as Brian noted, the officer should have shown restraint and ignore the guy unless the situation become seriously out of control, then calmly deal with it. Destructing personal property will get the officer in big trouble despite the fact of the protestor's behavior.

[rcjunkie]

The guy getting in the officer's face is wrong, but not illegal. He could have been arrested for disturbance or something similar. It still doesn't excuse the officer's behavior, as Brian noted, the officer should have shown restraint and ignore the guy unless the situation become seriously out of control, then calmly deal with it. Destructing personal property will get the officer in big trouble despite the fact of the protestor's behavior.

I can see most here disagree, but I was raised to respect others, apparently some were not and feel it's OK to do so. Just Saying.

[Thunder]

I can see most here disagree, but I was raised to respect others, apparently some were not and feel it's OK to do so. Just Saying.

Not sure I am understanding you. None of us approve of the protestor's behavior. I sure don't. He's an idiot. However, I can't think of any law that he have violated, though. Sometime sh!t happens and we just have to deal with it the best way possible. Personally, I say "YAY, DESTROY HIS PHONE MR COP!!!" but to be serious, the officer shouldn't have done that in a professional manner. Understand, Junkie?

[WilliamTell]

The OWS people are annoying and need to find better hobbies, but that in itself is not illegal and the officer was totally out of line.

Image if the kid hit the officers camera in that way. No doubt there would of been guns drawn, kid slammed face first into the concrete, hauled off to jail and charged with a felony.

But an officer doing that to a kid in broad daylight......nothing.


This is what a police state looks like.

[RadicalModerate]

I sure hope I have my seat belt fastened if THAT trooper pulls me over . . . =)

[Thunder]

I sure hope I have my seat belt fastened if THAT trooper pulls me over . . . =)

If he pulls me over and I recognize him, I'm going to be signing to him as my preferred communication with a hidden camera recording him slapping my hands.

[RadicalModerate]

Frankly . . . I hope that the trooper is assigned to The Zero Tolerance of Texting in Traffic Squad.
(State Troopers don't have to stay only on Interstates)

[WilliamTell]

The world is a dangerous place, not because of
those who do evil, but because of those who
look on and do nothing. —Albert Einstein

[BBatesokc]

I can see most here disagree, but I was raised to respect others, apparently some were not and feel it's OK to do so. Just Saying.

Respect goes both ways. The officer should rethink respecting the laws, rights and liberties he swore to uphold. Law enforcement are individuals, simply pinning a tin badge to them doesn't automatically make them respectable or above the law. He knew being a public servant often means being subjected to the irritating side of the public. I respect those officers who were subjected to the same antics of the protester and did nothing.

If the officer wanted to strike out then he should have ticketed him for disorderly conduct, refusal to obey a lawful command, obstruction or some other trumpet up violation - a physical attack is inexcusable and only empowers the likes of these protesters.

[RadicalModerate]

The world is a dangerous place, not because of
those who do evil, but because of those who
look on and do nothing. —Albert Einstein (c/o "William Tell")

What about those who go on and on about doing nothing?
(attributed to Mark Twain channelling Steven Wright and/or Mitch Hedberg
perhaps with a guest appearance by M.C. Escher)

[RadicalModerate]

What's sad is that no one respects authority anymore. If you want to protest fine, make your cheesy signs, stand on the corner and scream like an idiot, but you don't have to get in the officers face.

What is really, extra, sort o' sad is that almost no one/no person/no individual/no body understands the original, root concept underlying the word "authority".

i, personally, respect "Authority"
i deal with underling interpretations
of the Author's idea
as those interpreter/ordertakermakers
are encountered.

I also have a thing about NOT calling a "law-enforcement officer" "Sir" =)
I don't ever say "Sonny" . . .
I say "Yes, Officer . . . (and, have you considered . . . =)

Generally, this works out well in a win/win sorta way . . .
For all involved . . . And everyone feels better in general.
Instead of various alternatives.

(Like that annoying little prick in the video getting accidentally/substancially slapped across his loud mouth
with a large flashlight while checking to see if there was a brain causing the noise.)

[OSUMom]

I can see the officers supervisor sitting him down and saying "Please don't let little jerks like that lose your cool." and that it being all. When it comes to down to it, he just knocked a phone/camera out of someone's hand who was shoving it in his face. He didn't taze the twit. He didn't shoot the twits face with pepper spray. He didn't do a take down move and slam his little irritating face into the concrete. He didn't have the guy arrested on trumped up charges. It wasn't that big of deal. To go on and on about this being a police state when in a real police state the twit would have been shot. For real shot. Like dead shot. And when the trooper did react the twit wasn't hurt at all. In fact he looked like he had been told Christmas was coming again this year.

[RadicalModerate]

For an "'Aggie' Mom, OK =)"
I'm smilin' at the effective and efficient advice.
I just and simply hope the "Supervisor" of "The Trooper" has the "Common Sense" to follow your advice.
(i mean "our" advice, of course. =)

[MDot]

I'm on the fence with this one. I agree with what OSUMom is saying as the officer could have pepper sprayed/used any sort of force to get the "twits" phone out of his face but instead he just slapped the phone away; but I also agree that he should have had the restraint to not slap the phone away and put himself under the kind of fire he's under right now from the folks who disagreed with his actions. I wouldn't expect any worse punishment than a sitdown with the good ol' boss as OSUMom suggested. That's my "opinion" on the matter

[RadicalModerate]

Get off the friggin' fence fer cryin' out loud....
Geez. . . . =)

[MDot]

LOL I try my best to not do that but I have more of a problem with the protesters than the police but I see the point of both sides. If I had to fall off the fence on either side I'd probably fall on the OHP side.

[MikeOKC]

This Jay guy is a professional provocateur, no question about it. He's good at what he does. He's also a jerk and other names mentioned in this thread. However, the OHP trooper should know how to deal with this kind of thing and he failed that test. He lost it. He has anger issues that led him to assault this guy. For me, the bottom line if I was his superior would be this: If he's going to let a kid get to him like that in broad daylight, with hundreds of witnesses, what would he do when provoked on a dark state highway with no one around?

I'm with Brian. As ridiculous as the Occupier was/is, the trooper should be able to handle his anger just like the other troopers. As far as being "in his face," look at the video again - it wasn't quite so "in your face." But yes, this Jay guy was disrespectful and a jerk. But he did nothing illegal. The trooper is the only person that did anything illegal. I have a feeling it's not the first time that trooper handled things in a less than appropriate/professional manner.

[Thunder]

I'm thinking, at most, the officer will be suspended with pay pending internal investigation.

[RadicalModerate]

For just a moment . . . MDot . . .=) .. .(if it is even remotely possible for you to do so)-- Put yourself within the immediate event picture framed by [a friend of another, worthless--except for the intrinsic value of being a human being--videographer]. The "authority" figure (The Trooper) was overtrained and on edge--and a valuable friend in a fight (badge/hat/uniform)--much like a Doberman.

The instigator--[VideoOccupy/w....] was . . . a whining irritating annoyance--and security threat.

I think The Trooper acted on the side of caution.
And restraint.

You will never "fall" on the OHP side.
Trust me on that.

Thunder: I hope that you agree that "suspended with pay" is like the best vacation ever with an award for upholding Common Sense on the other side.

[Thunder]

What about that lady standing there with uptight facial expression? Does anyone know what she was whispering into another officer's ear?

[OSUMom]

See, I just don't get calling something like that 'assault'. Is there a term for assault lite? Assaulting someone to me is hitting, kicking, in some way physically hurting someone.

[Thunder]

See, I just don't get calling something like that 'assault'. Is there a term for assault lite? Assaulting someone to me is hitting, kicking, in some way physically hurting someone.

It's Destruction of Personal Property. There's other similar terms. Brian can tell you more about it. He's an expert (go-to guy).

[OSUMom]

What about that lady standing there with uptight facial expression? Does anyone know what she was whispering into another officer's ear?

Did we watch the same video? She was smiling most of the time. Probably told the guy to calm down and just laugh at the little jerk like she was. I think she did a good job calming him down.