OKC CMSA = 1,225,084 as of July 2005

[Decious]

The newest data was released today and shows continued steady growth. Standard and Poors likes it, but will OKC ever see a bonified BOOM? Something akin to an Austin/Charlotte clip?

[Pete]

Nice, steady growth.

Most booms come from a big influx of well-paid jobs and that is an area where OKC (and OK in general) really is lacking.

I think the best way to make this happen is for OU and OKC to partner in trying to attract more research and technology jobs. That has happened to a small extent, but it would have to be on a much bigger scale to have a real impact on people moving into the area.

[Patrick]

Quality of life helps as well. Getting professional teams in Charlotte really helped that city grow. Businesses are looking for quality of life issues. They life being able to catch an NBA game after work, and then head to Bricktown for the evening.

[brianinok]

Now we can say 1.2 million and not just 1 million!

[Patrick]

Anyone know where Tulsa is on the population list?

[Decious]

Here's a link to the new figures.

Click Here

[kellekokid]

I haven't even looked at the topic under discussion yet but I just had to say Decious your crazy frantic mouse cracks me up!! LOL

[John]

Anyone know where Tulsa is on the population list?

[swake]

The 2005 estimate for the Tulsa CMSA is 936,864 up from 930,842 in 2004 and 908,650 in 2000 (actual census number). Not bad really looking at how bad the Tulsa economy was 2001 to 2004.

[Decious]

I haven't even looked at the topic under discussion yet but I just had to say Decious your crazy frantic mouse cracks me up!! LOL

:spin:He's lost his mind! He read Aesop's self-help book and can't figure out if he's a city mouse or a country mouse.

He was born in the country down near Lawton and moved to "the metro" in 2001. Unfortunately, he landed in Deer Creek and that's when the delirium began. He wondered if maybe the move had all been a dream because he just knew he was still in Cache.

He heard about The Rat Pack downtown. He heard they really had things jumpin' off down there and boy was he ready for some action!! Doh!....downtown was 30 miles away and there was NO SUFFICIENT PUBLIC TRANSIT to get his broke a** down there.

Well, he finally scraped together enough cheese to buy a used skate and headed off to the CBD. His friend, Jerry, heard hearsay that CBD meant "The Cheddar's Better Downtown", and boy was he excited!!!

Well ya'll, he cut outta Deer Creek like he was trying to outrun a twister. When he finally got downtown, he remembered what his grandpa had told him about the landrun days and shed a soft tear for the old man. Then he looked around for a place to stay and realized that he was priced out. I guess that was the last straw.

[Decious]

The 2005 estimate for the Tulsa CMSA is 936,864 up from 930,842 in 2004 and 908,650 in 2000 (actual census number). Not bad really looking at how bad the Tulsa economy was 2001 to 2004.

Not bad at all! Good to see things pointed back in the right direction. Hopefully, the jump from '04-'05 is just an indicator of future momentum.

Really, it's good news for OKC and Tulsa. Even Lawtonians are excited about the building boom that they are currently enjoying. This in spite of a minor setback in population for Comanche county.

[Doug Loudenback]

Decious, not to want to throw a wet blanket on your figures (since I really want them to be correct), but I've not been able to reach the same total for Okc's SMSA that you have. The CSV page that you linked to was a little hard to follow but Excel files are also available which were easier for me to "see". The link is http://www.census.gov/popest/countie...ST2005-01.html ... find Oklahoma and either view or download the Excel file.

You concluced that the OKC SMSA as of 7/1/05 is (was) 1,225,084. But, I'm only getting 1,143,411. Maybe my assumption is wrong ... that the OKC SMSA consists of Canadian, Cleveland, Logan, McClain, Oklahoma, and Pottawatomie counties. But, if that's so, I'm only coming up with 1,143,411 for those counties. I'm hoping that I'm mistaken and that you will correct the error of my ways! A graphic of the numbers is:



The above is a modified version of the Excel file, with a right column added to include only the counties within what I understand are the OKC SMSA counties. I've also added color for emphasis.

Your thoughts?

[brianinok]

I think Grady and Lincoln counties are also included in the CMSA.

[Decious]

Yep, Lincoln and Grady put us just over 1.225 million. Thanks for looking out though Doug.

[HOT ROD]

I think Kingfisher County might be there also, it borders far NW OK county/Piedmont(OKC suburbs) and Im certain those residents come into OKC often for services/shopping nevermind entertainment/business/government.

[Doug Loudenback]

Yep, Lincoln and Grady put us just over 1.225 million. Thanks for looking out though Doug.

Thanks, Decious! Yep, that would do it! Here's a link that shows MSA's in the country, http://www.census.gov/population/est...eral/List1.txt and it does indeed include Grady and Lincoln counties. Good work and thanks for the additional info! I've made a web page showing the same: http:\\www.dougloudenback.com\hornets\okc7.05.htm

[PUGalicious]

That second link didn't work. Try this one: http://www.dougloudenback.com/hornets/okc7.05.htm

[Doug Loudenback]

Thanks, Scribe, I got my "slashes" backward!

[Doug Loudenback]

Decious, I've used your good work to draw a comparison between the OKC & NOLA metros, which was why your better figures pleased me! It's posted in the Hornets area, http://www.okctalk.com/hornets-nest/...parisions.html , and thanks again!

[venture]

Just one thing you guys are screwing up on when figuring things out...Pott County is no longer considered in the OKC MSA. So the OKC MSA is only 1,156,812...not 1.2 Mil. Which I believe would actually be a decrease, mainly due to the loss of Pott County being considered.

[Decious]

Just one thing you guys are screwing up on when figuring things out...Pott County is no longer considered in the OKC MSA. So the OKC MSA is only 1,156,812...not 1.2 Mil. Which I believe would actually be a decrease, mainly due to the loss of Pott County being considered.

You're right, the Shawnee area was taken out of the MSA calculations. However, the OKC CMSA(Combined/Component Statistical Area) includes both the OKC Metro and the Shawnee Micropolitan areas.

IMO, the CMSA is a much better estimate of the actual pop. of an area. For instance, the Los Angeles MSA doesn't include Riverside/San Bernadino/Ontario/Oxnard/Thousand Oaks/Ventura and a few other municipalities. In other words, practically NONE of the "Inland Empire" is included. The Los Angeles CMSA includes all of these.

[venture]

Im going to try to divide things up, since we have two threads running covering the same thing. The NOLA comparrisons given are taking the OKC CMSA vs the NOLA MSA...not CMSA to CMSA.

[Decious]

Here's a page with a couple of MSA and CMSA maps in case anyone is interested.

Click Here