Should WRWA land Southwest Airlines

[venture]

The other thing could be to take the investment income from the oil royalties and the cattle on Will Rogers land and invest in a hub terminal on the south edge of the airport grounds plus a third runway for Southwest flights only.

The investment by the airline would be almost nothing but relocation costs and hriing locals to replace those who choose not to relocate from the Dallas area.

It would be a win-win. Oklahoma City gets a major corporate headquarters plus a couple hundred flights a day, and Southwest gets a low cost new headquarters. After that, Congress can repeal that blackmail law called the Wright amendment.

Do you even understand the concept of O&D?

[swake]

Or the Wright Amendment? It's not anti Southwest, it's to protect DFW, it was a compromise when DFW opened, because the plan was for Love to be closed like Stapleton was.

If the amendment goes, American might be hurt, a little, but air service on Southwest to Tulsa and OKC on Southest would drop, probably a lot.

[Patrick]

Personally, I think they should've closed LUV from the beginning.

[HOT ROD]

OKC Contact anyone??!! Venture, OUman, Patrick???

[jbrown84]

They could take the GM plant and convert it into their headquarters and flight attendant training facility as well as dorms for trainees.

I don't think a giant factory is the right place for a headquarters or training facility. Dorms?

[JOHNINSOKC]

This is most likely the single largest major corporation that OKC has a real chance to land in the city's history. Currently, the city is home to three Fortune 500 companies. It would be great to have a fourth. Southwest Airlines could be another major corporate sponsor for the Hornets or any other possible major league team that calls OKC home. I am a bit concerned about Chicago being interested though. I read today in the Dallas Morning News that so far it's Phoenix, Chicago and Baltimore that have expressed interest in the HQ. Las Vegas apparently doesn't want the headquarters because they want the space for expansion of the terminal. Southwest supposedly wants the new headquarters to be on airport property at or very near a terminal. I can't imagine a better place to relocate a HQ than OKC. We are right smack in the middle of the Southwest system. We have the money, land and vision to make it happen. This city has waited too long for an opportunity like this.

[jbrown84]

Sure would be wierd for SOUTHWEST Airlines to be based in Baltimore or Chicago. Would they change the name?

[mranderson]

Sure would be wierd for SOUTHWEST Airlines to be based in Baltimore or Chicago. Would they change the name?

Under that theory, they would have to change names if they move to Oklahoma City also. We are in the midwest as well as Chicago. (yes. Midwest Airlines is taken)

[Patrick]

Under that theory, they would have to change names if they move to Oklahoma City also. We are in the midwest as well as Chicago. (yes. Midwest Airlines is taken)

We've been through this discussion before. Regardless of what type of city you feel we are, OKC is geographically located in the south central.

Besides, I'd have to say OKC is more similar to Dallas, a SW city. In contrast, Tulsa is more comparable to most midwestern cities.

[HOT ROD]

Could someone PLEASE post or PM me the email to the KEY OKC leadership???

I would love to share my list/ideas with them so we can get in on this.

I'd like the following reps; mayor, dokc, chamber, state chamber, governor, commerce, WRWA airport, large businesses in the city with clout

Please post so others can join as well. Let's email the OKC leaders so we can get this HQ. NO other city is a match for us and it definitely would seal our renaissance as a forth-coming big city!

[OUman]

The state hosed General Motors when the plant opened, so, they pulld out when they had a realistic chance. Those funds are free to lure someone else. So, yes. Why not pay Southwest to come to Oklahoma City. They could take the GM plant and convert it into their headquarters and flight attendant training facility as well as dorms for trainees.

The other thing could be to take the investment income from the oil royalties and the cattle on Will Rogers land and invest in a hub terminal on the south edge of the airport grounds plus a third runway for Southwest flights only.

The investment by the airline would be almost nothing but relocation costs and hriing locals to replace those who choose not to relocate from the Dallas area.

It would be a win-win. Oklahoma City gets a major corporate headquarters plus a couple hundred flights a day, and Southwest gets a low cost new headquarters. After that, Congress can repeal that blackmail law called the Wright amendment.

A. No airport builds a runway for the sole use by an airline, doesn't work that way, and most likely never will. Besides, OKC already has three major runways, and doesn't need a fourth one for a good while.

B. HQ does not equal "a couple hundred flights a day."

OUman

[OUman]

Sure would be wierd for SOUTHWEST Airlines to be based in Baltimore or Chicago. Would they change the name?

Maybe, but not necessarily. Northwest Airlines is based is Minneapolis. Western Pacific had its HQ in Colorado Springs, not Los Angeles or San Francisco. Alaska Airlines is headquartered in Seattle.

OUman

[mranderson]

A. No airport builds a runway for the sole use by an airline, doesn't work that way, and most likely never will. Besides, OKC already has three major runways, and doesn't need a fourth one for a good while.

B. HQ does not equal "a couple hundred flights a day."

OUman

Actually, I have flown into airports that had a dedicated runway for their hub airline(s). Plus, maybe HQ in general does not mean more flights, however, name me one airline that does not hub in their headquarters city.

[Jack]

Actually, I have flown into airports that had a dedicated runway for their hub airline(s). Plus, maybe HQ in general does not mean more flights, however, name me one airline that does not hub in their headquarters city.

I've never seen that at any airport. Name me one airport that has a dedicated runway for an airline, and give me some facts.

[OUman]

Actually, I have flown into airports that had a dedicated runway for their hub airline(s). Plus, maybe HQ in general does not mean more flights, however, name me one airline that does not hub in their headquarters city.

Ok, which airports are those? I'm fairly sure that there's no airport which has a dedicated runway just for the use of one airline. Yes, sometimes, some airlines do get preferential treatment, but that is highly dependent on air traffic control. Southwest's ops at PHL (Philadelphia Int'l) and LAX are good examples of this. At LAX, WN pilots sometimes ask for the north side of the field for either takeoff or landing, but there's no guarantee that all Southwest flights will get to use the north side's runways, ultimately, it's up to the controllers. Same goes for PHL. I've also listened to controllers at DFW asking pilots which side of the field they want, but that was only when traffic was light.

As for an airline which doesn't have a hub in its HQ city, Air Tran. It is headquartered in Orlando, doesn't have a hub there. Just a focus operation.

OUman

[shane453]

If someone knows the emails that Hotrod is asking for come on... He's already asked like 3 times. After reading this thread I'm pretty happy with OKC's ability to land the company. If our state/city leaders aren't already looking into this then they need to know everything that has just been said here.

[venture]

As for an airline which doesn't have a hub in its HQ city, Air Tran. It is headquartered in Orlando, doesn't have a hub there. Just a focus operation.

OUman

Thank you. I figured you would be the first to throw AirTran out. Great example. Before their fall, TransMerdian was another - Atlanta based with a Sanford hub. I couple dig up a few more, but point proven and claim dismissed.

As far as the dedicated runways. Umm, I think the FAA may have an issue with that. LOL Granted if you are talking of places like Wilimington, OH...well sure the runways will be dedicated to ABX Air (DHL/Airborne Express)...since they own the joint.

Everywhere else, it all depends on terminal layout. I can assure that when Atlanta gets the new south terminal built, AirTran and the other airlines will start using the nearest runways instead of going to the opposite side of the field - making it seem Delta has sole use of a runway.

[OUman]

I'll agree w/ that, but again, there will be plenty of DL/DL Conn planes which are vectored to the north side. Now I don't want to keep this thread off topic (I know we've gone off on tangents here again), but the new runway at Amsterdam Schiphol requires a really long taxi to the terminal complex, and KLM isn't getting preferential treatment. Same at DFW, any AA plane coming in on the western-most runway (13R-31L) has to cross two runways, go over a bridge, then get to either terminal A or C. Really long and winding.

OUman

[TheImmortal]

All the e-mails you are looking for can usually be found on the websites representing each entity. Such as OKC's web site or the one for the State of Oklahoma.