CFB Top 25 Rankings - Week 5

[venture]

Another ho-hum performance (at least for the first quarter and a half) for OU and down they go again. The good news, 6 Big 12 teams are now in the AP Top 25...but Baylor found itself very close to falling out. Texas Tech would be #29 as they continue to hold it together. Possible A&M replacement Houston is #27.

Associated Press Top 25
1 LSU
2 Alabama
3 Oklahoma
4 Wisconsin
5 Boise State
6 Oklahoma State
7 Stanford
8 Clemson
9 Oregon
10 Arkansas
11 Texas
12 Michigan
13 Georgia Tech
14 Nebraska
15 Auburn
16 West Virginia
17 Florida
18 South Carolina
19 Illinois
20 Kansas State
21 Virginia Tech
22 Arizona State
23 Florida State
24 Texas A&M
25 Baylor

Others Receiving Votes: Michigan State(4-1) 154; Houston(5-0) 68; Washington(4-1) 37; Texas Tech(4-0) 25; Notre Dame(3-2) 24; South Florida(4-1) 22; Georgia(3-2) 11; Penn State(4-1) 9; Southern California(4-1) 7; Southern Methodist(4-1) 5; Pittsburgh(3-2) 1; Tennessee(3-1) 1; Cincinnati(4-1) 1

With the Coaches poll...different story. OU remains at #1...but only 11 points. OU has 1421 points with 27 first place votes, LSU has 1410 points with 21 first place votes, and Alabama has 1408 points and 10 first place votes. Wisconsin picked up 1 first place vote. Baylor did fall out of the Coaches Top 25, but KSU moved in. Houston is at 26, Baylor 27, and Tech is at 28.

Coaches Poll
1 Oklahoma
2 LSU
3 Alabama
4 Stanford
5 Wisconsin
6 Boise State
7 Oklahoma State
8 Clemson
9 Oregon
10 Texas
11 Michigan
12 Arkansas
13 Georgia Tech
14 South Carolina
15 Nebraska
16 Illinois
17 Virginia Tech
18 Florida
19 West Virginia
20 Michigan State
21 Kansas State
22 Florida State
23 Auburn
24 Arizona State
25 Texas A&M

Others Receiving Votes: Houston(5-0) 97; Baylor(3-1) 90; Texas Tech(4-0) 68; South Florida(4-1) 49; Penn State(4-1) 37; Washington(4-1) 30; Notre Dame(3-2) 13; Pittsburgh(3-2) 11; North Carolina(4-1) 10; Southern Methodist(4-1) 10; Tennessee(3-1) 6; Iowa(3-1) 5; Air Force(3-1) 3; Southern Mississippi(4-1) 3; Duke(3-2) 1; Ohio State(3-2) 1; Cincinnati(4-1) 1

[MDot]

I think Wisconsin deserves the #5 ranking. And I can't remember the last time I seen Clemson ranked in the top 10. I think Georgia Tech should be ranked higher than #13 though.

[bluedogok]

AP...the poll that is no longer relevant.

[MDot]

Coaches is the only one I personally pay attention to until the BCS polls start coming out.

[venture]

AP...the poll that is no longer relevant.

Until it comes down to the end of the year and we have split national titles. I tend to think the AP is a bit more accurate since, let's be honest, the coaches don't have the time to evaluate all the teams out there. Looking at how OU has performed the last two weeks, I would be struggling to make them a Top 10 team.

Now for some positive news...Blake Bell. He is going to be fun as hell to watch. A running QB at OU. It has been ages.

[bluedogok]

The AP title is now a hollow accomplishment and universally ignored, there really is no such thing as a "split title" anymore, no one but USC ever claims an AP title since the advent of the BCS system. It has been made even more irrelevant by the BCS after they chose to be excluded from the BCS calculation. It's not like writers have a whole lot of time to watch games either since most are covering a live game and not sitting at home watching multiple games on multiple televisions like some of us. I probably watch more football on one Saturday than most writers do in a month. Coaches aren't filling out ballots either, someone in the athletic department is and whoever that is may be watching more games than writers do as well.

[venture]

Yeah...I don't disagree with most of your points. All in all, this shows by the BCS doesn't start until halfway through the season since Pre-Season and early season rankings are worthless. OU should never have been #1 and it shows. Now, can they improve to be #1? Definitely...just haven't seen it yet.

[jn1780]

What happens when an undefeated #2 team beats an undefeated #1 team or vice versa. Does it significantly hurt them in the rankings or do they just switch places?

[MDot]

What happens when an undefeated #2 team beats an undefeated #1 team or vice versa. Does it significantly hurt them in the rankings or do they just switch places?

Typically they'll drop to around #4 or #5 based on the times I've seen #1 and #2 play which isn't as good as #1 or #2 obviously but to answer your question, no it doesn't hurt them significantly.

[dmoor82]

Yeah...I don't disagree with most of your points. All in all, this shows by the BCS doesn't start until halfway through the season since Pre-Season and early season rankings are worthless. OU should never have been #1 and it shows. Now, can they improve to be #1? Definitely...just haven't seen it yet.

Are you a texas fan?

[ljbab728]

The AP poll is all about what have you done and who have you played lately. Alabama trailed Florida 7 - 0 early. Does that mean they played poorly to start the game so they should be downgraded? Notice that OSU dropped without playing so the drop had nothing do with a poor showing. OU could have played a perfect game against Ball State and beat them 90 - 0 and it wouldn't have mattered in the rankings. An impressive performance against Texas may not put them back at number 1 in the AP poll but it will certainly improve their point total substantially.

[venture]

Are you a texas fan?

Don't be stupid. :-P I'm just being realistic. OU is a really good team, but they lack what it needs to be a championship caliber team. Unless you tuned out the first quarter of the Ball State game or the screw ups against Missouri. They did really well against Florida State and then went flat. They aren't wanting to put in 100% every week and it is going to bite them in the ass sooner or later. If we just go back the Coaches poll for this week, we still have #7, #10, #21, and #25 to get through. Kansas should be okay. Tech is always a tricky one. Baylor is obviously going to be harder than normal. Iowa State should be another safe one. Either way, we've faced the strongest defense statistically for the year in Florida State...but we have a lot stronger offenses on the road ahead.

The AP poll is all about what have you done and who have you played lately. Alabama trailed Florida 7 - 0 early. Does that mean they played poorly to start the game so they should be downgraded? Notice that OSU dropped without playing so the drop had nothing do with a poor showing. OU could have played a perfect game against Ball State and beat them 90 - 0 and it wouldn't have mattered in the rankings. An impressive performance against Texas may not put them back at number 1 in the AP poll but it will certainly improve their point total substantially.

Yeah, OSU fell victim to 1) not player and 2) Wisconsin smothering Nebraska. As far as Bama/Florida. Yeah they were down early, but Florida isn't Ball State. OU was just completely flat for the first quarter plus some of the 2nd. If we were playing Florida, we would have been down a couple touchdowns playing like that. The majority of the teams remaining on the schedule aren't going to give us a ramp up time during the game. If they want the Big 12 title again and attempt to compete for the BCS title, they need to be willing to play all 4 quarters. I'm just glad they didn't do the typical prevent defense and give Ball State a couple easy touchdowns late.

[ljbab728]

Yeah they were down early, but Florida isn't Ball State. OU was just completely flat for the first quarter plus some of the 2nd. If we were playing Florida, we would have been down a couple touchdowns playing like that.

You'll notice that we never trailed a Florida State team on the road which I believe may be much better than Florida. Has OU played completely focused and up to their ability in every game? NO. Has any other team? NO. There is a long way to go this season and it will all even out according to ability and effort. If you'll remember, the last time we won a national championship we beat a 3-8 OSU team 12-7. It doesn't require being pefect in every game. It just needs being good when it counts.

[dmoor82]

Don't be stupid. :-P I'm just being realistic. OU is a really good team, but they lack what it needs to be a championship caliber team. Unless you tuned out the first quarter of the Ball State game or the screw ups against Missouri. They did really well against Florida State and then went flat. They aren't wanting to put in 100% every week and it is going to bite them in the ass sooner or later. If we just go back the Coaches poll for this week, we still have #7, #10, #21, and #25 to get through. Kansas should be okay. Tech is always a tricky one. Baylor is obviously going to be harder than normal. Iowa State should be another safe one. Either way, we've faced the strongest defense statistically for the year in Florida State...but we have a lot stronger offenses on the road ahead.



Yeah, OSU fell victim to 1) not player and 2) Wisconsin smothering Nebraska. As far as Bama/Florida. Yeah they were down early, but Florida isn't Ball State. OU was just completely flat for the first quarter plus some of the 2nd. If we were playing Florida, we would have been down a couple touchdowns playing like that. The majority of the teams remaining on the schedule aren't going to give us a ramp up time during the game. If they want the Big 12 title again and attempt to compete for the BCS title, they need to be willing to play all 4 quarters. I'm just glad they didn't do the typical prevent defense and give Ball State a couple easy touchdowns late.

stupid?Wow thats harsh!

[venture]

It was in jest - hence the smiley. :-P

[venture]

Jerry Palm put out his Top 120 for CBS today. He is one of the BCS experts out there that operates CollegeBCS.com that I've really enjoyed in the past. The rankings he has are definitely different than the AP and Coaches, but I think he also is putting SOS and other factors into play as well.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/rankings/120

1 Alabama
2 Oklahoma State
3 Boise State
4 Michigan
5 Texas
6 LSU
7 Oklahoma
8 Stanford
9 Clemson
10 Georgia Tech
11 Illinois
12 Wisconsin
13 Houston
14 South Carolina
15 Kansas State
16 Auburn
17 Nebraska
18 Notre Dame
19 North Carolina
20 Texas Tech
21 Florida
22 South Florida
23 Washington
24 Virginia Tech
25 West Virginia

[MDot]

That's different. Seeing OSU in the top 5 and not OU. But Notre Dame #18? Not that I'm taking this man seriously but dude must really like Notre Dame to still have them in the top 25.

[dmoor82]

OU is still #1 in the only poll that matters or factors into the bcs!

[venture]

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-footbal...tball-rankings

Some interesting things in the article.

Here is the current BCS standings. Harris and 2 computer polls are not active yet, so they put in the AP for Harris.

http://www.bcsknowhow.com/simulated-...ges-to-the-top

Simulated BCS Rankings — October 3rd
Rank Team BCS Score
1 Alabama Crimson Tide .9637
2 LSU Tigers .9393
3 Oklahoma Sooners .8816
4 Boise State Broncos .8187
5 Oklahoma State Cowboys .8039
6 Clemson Tigers .7752
7 Wisconsin Badgers .7540
8 Stanford Cardinal .7262
9 Texas Longhorns .5938
10 Michigan Wolverines .5564
11 Oregon Ducks .5549
12 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets .4861
13 Arkansas Razorbacks .4691
14 Illinois Fighting Illini .4274
15 Nebraska Cornhuskers .3759
16 Auburn Tigers .3513

[venture]

Side note to the BCS. This site has the breakdown from last week (not updated with the previous week's games yet):

http://www.bcsguru.com/bcs_standings.htm

OU is getting pulled down by computer rankings right now. Colley has us 10th, Sagarin has us 6th, Massey is 13th, and Billingsley has us 2nd. Getting a Texas win will help a ton with them being a ranked team. The computers are loving OSU right now in the top 3 in all of them.

[venture]

Week 5 BCS figures updated finally. So the poll changes are...

Colley went from 10th to 7th
Sagarin - 6th to 7th
Massey - 13th to 8th
Billingsley - 2nd to 3rd

Anderson/Hester started displaying this week as well and introduce OU at 7th. A Texas win will help as they are currently ranked 9th in the BCS up from 18th last week.

BCS Top 25
Week 5 Rank -- Week 4 Rank -- Change -- School
1 -- 2 -- +1 -- Alabama
2 -- 1 -- -1 -- LSU
3 -- 3 -- NC -- Oklahoma
4 -- 5 -- +1 -- Boise State
5 -- 4 -- -1 -- Oklahoma State
6 -- 13 -- +7 -- Clemson
7 -- 8 -- +1 -- Stanford
8 -- 9 -- +1 -- Wisconsin
9 -- 18 -- +9 -- Texas
10 -- 16 -- +6 -- Michigan
11 -- 12 -- +1 -- Oregon
12 -- 19 -- +7 -- Georgia Tech
13 -- 21 -- +8 --Arkansas
14 -- 20 -- +6 -- Illinois
15 -- 6 -- -9 -- Nebraska
16 -- 7 -- -9 -- South Carolina
17 -- 34 -- +17 -- Auburn
18 -- 31 -- +13 -- Kansas State
19 -- 10 -- -9 -- Virginia Tech
20 -- 23 -- +3 -- West Virginia
21 -- 11 -- -10 --Florida
22 -- 30 -- +8 -- Texas Tech
23 -- 28 -- +5 -- Michigan State
24 -- 25 -- +1 -- Arizona State
25 -- 24 -- -1 -- Florida State