Level Apartments

[Urban Pioneer]

No doubt. think our city needs a little bit of "grit" to be a real urban environment. Certainly also after the major polishing Project 180 is giving downtown. It is subjective.

A new railroad bridge would probably be made out of concrete pylons.

[Urbanized]

Grody.

[Just the facts]

Since this crossing is so close to the station make the train stop instead of cars. The train could pull up to the crossing, stop, wait for traffic to stop, then proceed throught the interesection. A train in this area would be going pretty slow anyhow. Pay some retired guy $10 an hour to man the crossing.

[Rover]

Since this crossing is so close to the station make the train stop instead of cars. The train could pull up to the crossing, stop, wait for traffic to stop, then proceed throught the interesection. A train in this area would be going pretty slow anyhow. Pay some retired guy $10 an hour to man the crossing.

Seriously? This is a train, not a bus. Trains don't stop at individual streets to let cars pass by. That isn't how it works.

[Just the facts]

Seriously? This is a train, not a bus. Trains don't stop at individual streets to let cars pass by. That isn't how it works.

Not usually no, but we are talking about a street that is only a few hundred feet from where the train would stop anyhow and it would only be a few trains a day. Trains in the area would be going less than 10 mph anyhow.

[RodH]

I don't think that Oklahoma Ave. needs to be extended. There are so many discussions on here about how sad it is that this city is built for the automobile, but we still seem to want to create more paths for cars. I think that a pedestrian path would be nice. A street extension, whether surface or bridge, would detract from the walkable environment of both Deep Deuce and Bricktown.

[Pete]

I agree, Rod. Most the people that live in Deep Deuce are going to be walking into Bricktown anyway.

Also, regarding the train tracks and making trains stop for cars, there are several parts of the Metro rail system here in L.A. that do that, especially in the central city.

[Rover]

Not usually no, but we are talking about a street that is only a few hundred feet from where the train would stop anyhow and it would only be a few trains a day. Trains in the area would be going less than 10 mph anyhow.

The average freight train is 10,000,000 pounds. The energy used to start and stop multiple times to go a few feet would be great. Plus, it would prolong the blocking of auto traffic for several blocks for a much greater period of time. And freight trains aren't stopping at the station.

I have traveled extensively on passenger trains all over the world and throughout the northeast here in the US. I have NEVER ridden on a train that stops to allow cars to pass in front, let alone stopping multiple times within a few blocks.

This idea has 0% chance of ever being considered.

[Just the facts]

Rover - why are you taking about freight trains? This area would only be used for passenger rail to NE OKC. HSR would never have an at-grade crossing.

[Just the facts]

I don't think that Oklahoma Ave. needs to be extended. There are so many discussions on here about how sad it is that this city is built for the automobile, but we still seem to want to create more paths for cars. I think that a pedestrian path would be nice. A street extension, whether surface or bridge, would detract from the walkable environment of both Deep Deuce and Bricktown.

The more paths there are for cars the less congested the streets are and the safer the areas is for pedestrians and bicycles. Unsafe conditions arise when traffic is all funneled to one or two thru streets (see project 180).

[Rover]

Rover - why are you taking about freight trains? This area would only be used for passenger rail to NE OKC. HSR would never have an at-grade crossing.

HSR doesn't go high speed through cities and they use the same tracks.

So, if HSR never uses at grade crossings, why did you suggest they stop to let cars by?

[Just the facts]

HSR doesn't go high speed through cities and they use the same tracks.

So, if HSR never uses at grade crossings, why did you suggest they stop to let cars by?

I didn't, I suggested the commuter rail to NE OKC and maybe Tulsa stop there. HSR doesn't have at-grade crossings and in most urban areas HSR is elevated. The current tracks from OKC to Tulsa could never handle HSR; there are far to many at-grade crossing, turns, and small towns. But it was just a suggestion anyhow. I'll write you down as a 'nay'.

[OKCisOK4me]

Oklahoma Ave can't go through anyway, there's a huge $5 to pay parking lot right there.

[Rover]

I didn't, I suggested the commuter rail to NE OKC and maybe Tulsa stop there. HSR doesn't have at-grade crossings and in most urban areas HSR is elevated. The current tracks from OKC to Tulsa could never handle HSR; there are far to many at-grade crossing, turns, and small towns. But it was just a suggestion anyhow. I'll write you down as a 'nay'.

Sorry if I was misunderstanding your suggestion.

[BG918]

I don't think that Oklahoma Ave. needs to be extended. There are so many discussions on here about how sad it is that this city is built for the automobile, but we still seem to want to create more paths for cars. I think that a pedestrian path would be nice. A street extension, whether surface or bridge, would detract from the walkable environment of both Deep Deuce and Bricktown.

Agree for the most part but this is a major disconnect between two main districts. A road would only be 2 lanes and could be built to have bike lanes and large sidewalks.

[Skyline]

I think it would really speak volumes if Okc were to create a pedestrian / bicycle only connection between Bricktown and Deep Deuce.

[betts]

It's really not such a huge disconnect. Everyone already uses the route for walking into Bricktown. I wouldn't mind a set of stairs, but otherwise it's fine. Or, we use the Walnut bridge. We'd have a lot more car traffic on Oklahoma if it were through, and I am happy not having it.

[Just the facts]

Roads don't create traffic. Congestion is created when cars have to funnel to a single road. After these two apartment complexes and hotel are finished getting into Bricktown on Walnut is going to require sitting through two light changes at Sheridan. A two-way street grid is the best way to make a safe pedistrian/bike area.

[Just the facts]

Sorry if I was misunderstanding your suggestion.

No problem - I didn't make the initial suggestion very clear anyhow so it was probably my fault. Besides, I don't think it is a good (or necessary) ideas now anyhow. There are already at-grade crossing at Stiles, Lincoln, NE1, NE4, NE6, NE7, NE8, NE9, MLK/JW Simmons, NE16, NE30, Grand, NE36, and Norcrest Dr - another one at Oklahoma won't hurt. Any true HSR line would have to be elevated across the entire state of Oklahoma anyhow, there are far too many section line roads and elevation changes to have it just run along the ground. At 200 mph it would cross a section line road every 18 seconds so there is no way they could just build bridges over each section line - people would be getting sick.

[betts]

I don't think it's going to happen, regardless. I don't think the city will spend the money to build another Walnut Bridge, and those train tracks aren't going anywhere. That's the Adventure Line, and hopefully that will be operational again in the reasonably near future. I seriously doubt anyone living in Deep Deuce will be too excited about a bridge and road removing the pocket park, so the push for it will have to come from elsewhere. Joe Carter and Walnut access Bricktown, as do all the parallel streets. EK Gaylord, although not direct access, is how we always went towards Bricktown before we moved to Deep Deuce. The majority of the morning traffic goes down 4th and 2nd, coming off the Broadway Extension 6th St. exit. The only time Walnut is busy is after Thunder games.

[wschnitt]

It looks like the forms for the foundation for the west side of the complex are going in.

[Skyline]

I was visiting Deep Deuce yesterday and it won't be long until NE 2nd becomes one of the coolest streets in Okc!

[Rover]

I am sure this has been asked before, so I apologize, but.... who owns the vacant lot east of Level?

[dmoor82]

I was visiting Deep Deuce yesterday and it won't be long until NE 2nd becomes one of the coolest streets in Okc!

^^Agreed,I have family in from Boston this week and I drove them around OKC to get a feel of the city and DD was one of the areas we went to and they said DD looked like an Awesome area!

[OSUMom]

I am sure this has been asked before, so I apologize, but.... who owns the vacant lot east of Level?

I believe that is all that is left of the church's parking. I seriously doubt they will let it go unless they move the church too.