Evil Apple

[Swake2]

If someone else was generating revenue off your innovation, are you saying you wouldn't care? Protecting your ideas and intellectual property is just simply a case of envy -- even though as others have pointed out, Apple has continue to enjoy record sales, record profits and amazing stock price jumps?

Then, if that's the case, then I want to hate Android too so that I can enjoy those kind of profits.

Apple's very best product is AAPL

[SoonerDave]

If someone else was generating revenue off your innovation, are you saying you wouldn't care?

Did I say that?

Nope.

I said:

Understand, but the "shameless borrowing" wouldn't amount to a hill of beans had Android never seen any traction in the marketplace.;

..which pretty much means that the only point in going after them is because they're making a buck, isn't it? I mean, absent the money, it's all sophistry, isn't it? People can admire my intellectual property, but I can't spend their admiration...

[Of Sound Mind]

And so Apple is a bad guy because someone is making a buck off their intellectual property? I'm not really understanding what your point is.

On a somewhat related note, here is a look back at comments made about the iPhone when it was about to first be released from John C. Dvorak, in March 2007, “Apple Should Pull the Plug on the iPhone":

The problem here is that while Apple can play the fashion game as well as any company, there is no evidence that it can play it fast enough. These phones go in and out of style so fast that unless Apple has half a dozen variants in the pipeline, its phone, even if immediately successful, will be passé within 3 months.

There is no likelihood that Apple can be successful in a business this competitive.

Blogger John Gruber notes, "Meanwhile, today, the best-selling and most-profitable phone in the world is the 14-month-old iPhone 4."

And for some reason coming up with a innovative, well-designed, well-built and very popular consumer products somehow makes Apple evil.

[Lord Helmet]

Error! Brian needs help!

The patents that Apple applied for was too broad and should never been approved.

How is that Apple's fault?

[ctchandler]

I was an IT professional and kept up with a lot of this but I really don't remember an Apple clone. Thanks for the info. I always compared Apple's problems versus PCs to Sony's Betamax versus VHS. They both had quality on their side (although Betamax had a few problems with things like limited recording time on a cartridge) but Sony limited the manufacturers that could produce and sell the Betamax player/recorder. Since VHS could be manufactured by anybody, their inferior product became the standard and Betamax tucked it's tail between it's legs and went away. At least Apple survived.
C. T.

I still have a Power Computing Apple clone in my attic. What a nightmare that company was to deal with. While the lack of cloning and 3rd party integration stifled Apple's market penetration, I feel it helped them produce a superior product.

[John1744]

Don't hate on Apple hate on the broken patent office.

Also I don't think Apple really cares about Android or PC dominance, considering they seem to have the most cash on hand of any company in the world at the moment, and are very very close to becoming the single most valuable company in the world, I'd say they're doing ok for themselves. I myself am thankful for Apple. Without them we would still be chained to the carriers approved handsets. Apple came along and busted the whole mobile market wide open by not giving in to the carriers on every single issue. They told the carriers what they wanted and the carriers listened. Without them I don't think the mobile industry would have became what it has today.

[kevinpate]

Was Franklin considered an Apple clone? I seem to recall my small juco had a Franklin or four in its com lab in the mid-80's

[Snowman]

Who here have any iCrap devices? All those that does should be ashamed of themselves.

I'm surprised no discussion was started on this topic. Anyone aware of what Apple is attempting to do? Well...attempting...and actively doing. Apple has been bullying many other companies. Why? Apple believe they should be the only one to sell iCrap devices such as smartphones (iCrap) and those mini-computers "iPad" which is also iCrap. Apple want to terminate the production of superior Android, Tablet, and the list goes on and on.

Apple want the consumers to have only one option. To buy from Apple. HELL NO!!!

You say that like all the other companies have clean hands, Samsung flat out has been directly copying the look and feel of apple devices. Other (software and hardware) have moved in the same direction Apple started but not been as blatant about mimicking every detail. While Android has some good features it is hardly superior, Google flat out said the first release of the tablet software was so much of a hack the were limiting the release of the code to a few they were working with, verses their standard distribution of methods. In several places Android is hardly consistent or polished. If manufacturers come up with original ideas (or even ones that are not based on iDevices) then Apple would not have a leg to stand on, but look at where phones and tables designs went before the iPhone and iPad verses after and you can see a dramatic shift in the products these manufactures put out.

[Larry OKC]

Was Franklin considered an Apple clone? I seem to recall my small juco had a Franklin or four in its com lab in the mid-80's

Only familiar w/Power Computing. As far as I know they were the only authorized computer maker other than Apple that used the Mac OS. Can't say I have heard of Franklin. My first exposure to computers was at the juco too. Took a Basic programing class on Wang computers (1984ish). LOL

And IIRC at that time those weren't "personal computers" yet, but just terminals connected to a central mainframe computer. When my Metrotech class toured the Oklahoman Tower, the only personal computers we saw even then were the Macs in the ad dept (92 or 93). The reporters were still using terminals and a massive mainframe computer that we got to give a gander.

[Martin]

had to look it up... franklin was an unauthorized apple ii clone. -M

[TaoMaas]

Since VHS could be manufactured by anybody, their inferior product became the standard and Betamax tucked it's tail between it's legs and went away.

Beta only went away as a home format. It kinda morphed a bit and became the industry standard for professional video news gathering up until digital came along.

[ctchandler]

Yes, I should have been clear about the "home video".
C. T.

Beta only went away as a home format. It kinda morphed a bit and became the industry standard for professional video news gathering up until digital came along.

[SoonerDave]

And so Apple is a bad guy because someone is making a buck off their intellectual property? I'm not really understanding what your point is.

Again, you put words in my mouth (where did I say "Apple is a bad guy?"), and then ask why you don't understand the point behind what I never said....???

If Apple wants to protect its intellectual property, that's great. Power to 'em. But let's not also simultaneously pretend Apple is pure in the midst of intellectual property discussions. Among all the competitors in intense markets thorughout history, there are none with purely "unclean hands."

[CuatrodeMayo]

How strange...whenever I type a-n-d-r-o-i-d on this iPad, it shows *******

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[td25er]

Apple literally sued Samsung over making a rectangular tablet with a glass screen and a bezel. That is what the lawsuit was. A rectangle.

[Midtowner]

Apple literally sued Samsung over making a rectangular tablet with a glass screen and a bezel. That is what the lawsuit was. A rectangle.

I seem to recall case law directly on-point where Motorola sued Qualcomm over the design of a phone which resembled a makeup compact (a flip phone) Motorola lost that battle, but federal lawsuits between multi-billion-dollar companies can never be summed up in a couple of sentences. I hope several 600-partner law firms make a lot of money in this pissing match.

[Larry OKC]

On a related note: read where Hershey recently sued (or threatened) the maker of a brownie pan because it divided up the batter in a pattern similar to the one found on the Hershey chocolate bar!

[Just the facts]

Well it doesn't matter now - Google (maker of Android) is going to buy all the patents that Apple runs on. Hold onto your Apple stuff, they will be collectors items someday. Mess with the bull and you might bet the horns.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/...rola-mobility/

[Swake2]

Well it doesn't matter now - Google (maker of Android) is going to buy all the patents that Apple runs on. Hold onto your Apple stuff, they will be collectors items someday. Mess with the bull and you might bet the horns.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/...rola-mobility/

That’s just about as accurate as your claim that Oracle was moving to Salt Lake City. As in your assertion has no basis in reality at all. Moto doesn’t hold Apple’s patents, Apple does. This buy is just an attempt to protect Android.

And even if Google were ever able to threaten Apple, by the end of the year Apple is projected to have more than $100 billion IN CASH. Google’s entire market cap is $160 billion. Apple easily could just buy Google in a half cash, half stock transaction and be done with them.

[Just the facts]

swake2 - I don't know what to tell you. However, it must feel weird rooting for the big guy over the little guy for once. You made the transit well.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/06/m...-infringement/

Motorola suing Apple for patent infringement


It's getting hard to keep track of, isn't it? The way we hear it told, most of these patent disputes and overlaps in the mobile space used to be settled in quiet ways, mutually assured destruction-style, but lately there's a whole lot of nukes going off. Motorola is now suing Apple over a wide range of technology patents which it claims Apple is infringing on with its iPhone, iPad, "iTouch," and even some Macs. The company is leveling three complaints which include 18 patents on "early-stage innovations" by Motorola, covering a pretty wide swath of the mobile landscape, including WCDMA, GPRS, 802.11, antenna design, wireless email, proximity sensing, software application management, location-based services and multi-device synchronization. Outside of the devices, Apple's MobileMe and App Store services get called out specifically. At the end of its press release Motorola makes a very similar claim to the one Nokia made at the outset of its own lawyer salvo against Apple:

I don't remember saying Oracle was moving to SLC. I do know that Oracle has moved something like 2,000 jobs to SLC.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=12172379

The California Chamber of Commerce and others want the Legislature to pass a more business-friendly budget. Some leaders are expressing concerns that e-Bay, Adobe, Twitter, Electronic Arts and Oracle are all expanding in Utah.

[Maynard]

Apple literally sued Samsung over making a rectangular tablet with a glass screen and a bezel. That is what the lawsuit was. A rectangle.

Here's one.

Q What do you call 1,000 lawyers chained together at the bottom of the ocean?

A A good start.

[Just the facts]

^ lol

[Swake2]

swake2 - I don't know what to tell you. However, it must feel weird rooting for the big guy over the little guy for once. You made the transit well.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/06/m...-infringement/



I don't remember saying Oracle was moving to SLC. I do know that Oracle has moved something like 2,000 jobs to SLC.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=12172379

It’s not rooting, it’s reality. And since when is Google “the little guy”?

Here’s your quote that was just downright silly:

Oracle is already in the process of slowly and quitely relocating everything to Salt Lake City.

And the related thread:
http://www.okctalk.com/showthread.ph...ghlight=oracle

Oracle didn’t “move” 2,000 jobs to SLC, they opened a data center there.

[Just the facts]

The data center is just one of the Oracle operations in SLC. Check out huge Oracle complex and tower in South SLC.

[Swake2]

The data center is just one of the Oracle operations in SLC. Check out huge Oracle complex and tower in South SLC.

Oracle isn't moving.

Apple isn't afraid of Android, with or without Moto.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhart...-save-android/

8/18/2011 @ 2:16PM
Google's Big Mistake - Buying Motorola to Save Android

The business world was surprised this week when Google announced it was acquiring Motorola Mobility for $12.5B – a 63% premium to its trading price (Crain’s Chicago Business). Surprised for 3 very good reasons:

because few software companies move into hardware
effectively Google will now compete with its customers like Samsung and HTC that offer Android-based phones and tablets, and
Motorola Mobility had pretty much been written off as a viable long-term competitor in the mobile marketplace. With less than 9% share, Motorola is the last place finisher – behind even crashing RIM.
Truth is, Google had a hard choice. Android doesn’t make much money. Android was launched, and priced for free, as a way for Google to try holding onto search revenues as people migrated from PCs to cloud devices. Android was developed as a way to defend the search business, rather than as a profitable growth opportunity. Unfortunately, Google didn’t really think through the ramifications of the product, or its business model, before taking it to market.

Sort of like Sun Microsystems giving away Java as a way to defend its Unix server business. Oops.

Then, in early August, Google was slammed when German courts held that the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 could not be sold – putting a stop to all sales in Europe (Phandroid.com “Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Sales Now Blocked in Europe Thanks to Apple.”) Clearly, Android’s future in Europe was now seriously jeopardized – and the same could be true in the USA.

This wasn’t really a surprise. The legal battles had been on for some time, and Tab had already been blocked in Australia. Apple has a well established patent thicket, and after losing its Macintosh Graphical User Interface lead to Windows 25 years ago Apple did a better job of defending its intellectual property this time around. It was also well known that Microsoft was on the prowl to buy a set of patents, or licenses, to protect its new Windows Phone O/S planned for launch soon and fight off any other competitors (like Android).

Google had to either acquire some patents, or licenses, or seriously consider dropping Android. Google’s severe intellectual property problems assured big legal expenses trying to keep Android in the market. And Android still might well fail if Google did not come up with a patent portfolio – and before Microsoft! Given the lack of profitability in Android, dropping the product really doesn’t seem that bad – especially since Google has been on a run of dropping products lately!

Nonetheless, Google leadership clearly decided “in for penny, in for a pound” and bought Motorola. The acquisition gives Google some 16,000-17,000 patents. With that kind of I.P. war chest it is able to defend Android in the internecine wars of intellectual property courts – where license trading dominates resolutions between behemoth competitors.

Only, what is Google going to do with Motorola (and Android) now? This acquisition doesn’t really fix the business model problem. Android still isn’t making any money for Google. And Motorola’s flat Android product sales don’t make any money either:

Apple grabs 2/3s of all Smart Phone profits world wide, all other makers lost money (Including Moto) or split 1/3. And Google didn't make anything.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-grabs...fits-29168396/

Almost 2/3s of Smart Phone owners plan to buy an iPhone 5, sight unseen. Including almost half of Android users:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390323,00.asp