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  1. Default Tropical Weather Discussion 2011

    The Atlantic Tropical Season officially starts June 1st and runs through November. We'll be using this thread to discuss the activity that is to come in the Atlantic basin. Should any system start moving its way towards a specific inland region, we'll likely move that discussion to the monthly severe weather thread. This thread is meant as a resource and will be updated when needed. Do not use the thread for emergency planning for the protection of life and property.

    Majority of the information provided here from the NHC: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/



    Atlantic Visible Satellite


    Atlantic Infrared Satellite - Colored


    Long Range Forecast Models
    COD Forecast Model Page
    Florida State Experimental Cyclone Forecast Page
    NOGAPS

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    Welcome to the first day of the 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season.

    Outlook from NHC:

    TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
    800 AM EDT WED JUN 1 2011

    FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

    1. A SMALL AREA OF LOW PRESSURE LOCATED ABOUT 200 MILES EAST OF JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA IS MOVING WEST-SOUTHWESTWARD AT AROUND 20 MPH. THE LOW CONTINUES TO PRODUCE A CONCENTRATED AREA OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS...AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE MARGINALLY FAVORABLE FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM BEFORE IT MOVES OVER NORTHERN FLORIDA LATER TODAY. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...THIS DISTURBANCE COULD PRODUCE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL AND STRONG GUSTY WINDS OVER PORTIONS OF THE FLORIDA PENINSULA. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...30 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS SYSTEM...PLEASE SEE PRODUCTS FROM YOUR LOCAL NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE OFFICE.

    ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

    TODAY MARKS THE FIRST DAY OF THE ATLANTIC HURRICANE SEASON...WHICH WILL RUN UNTIL NOVEMBER 30. LONG-TERM AVERAGES FOR THE NUMBER OF NAMED STORMS...HURRICANES...AND MAJOR HURRICANES ARE 11...6...AND 2...RESPECTIVELY.

    THE LIST OF NAMES FOR 2011 IS AS FOLLOWS:

    NAME_______PRONUNCIATION
    ARLENE ------------- AR LEEN
    BRET ------------- BRET
    CINDY ------------- SIN- DEE
    DON ------------- DAHN
    EMILY ------------- EH- MIH LEE
    FRANKLIN ------------- FRANK- LIN
    GERT ------------- GERT
    HARVEY ------------- HAR- VEE
    IRENE ------------- EYE REEN-
    JOSE ------------- HO ZAY-
    KATIA ------------- KA TEE- AH
    LEE ------------- LEE
    MARIA ------------- MUH REE- UH
    NATE ------------- NAIT
    OPHELIA ------------- O FEEL- YA
    PHILIPPE ------------- FEE LEEP
    RINA ------------- REE- NUH
    SEAN ------------- SHAWN
    TAMMY ------------- TAM- EE
    VINCE ------------- VINSS
    WHITNEY ------------- WHIT- NEE


    THIS PRODUCT...THE TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK...BRIEFLY DESCRIBES SIGNIFICANT AREAS OF DISTURBED WEATHER AND THEIR POTENTIAL FOR TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. THE ISSUANCE TIMES OF THIS PRODUCT ARE 2 AM...8 AM...2 PM...AND 8 PM EDT. AFTER THE CHANGE TO STANDARD TIME IN NOVEMBER...THE ISSUANCE TIMES ARE 1 AM...7 AM...1 PM...AND 7 PM EST.

    A SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK WILL BE ISSUED TO PROVIDE UPDATES ...AS NECESSARY...IN BETWEEN THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED ISSUANCES OF THE TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK. SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOKS WILL BE ISSUED UNDER THE SAME WMO AND AWIPS HEADERS AS THE REGULAR TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOKS.

    A STANDARD PACKAGE OF PRODUCTS...CONSISTING OF THE TROPICAL CYCLONE PUBLIC ADVISORY...THE FORECAST/ADVISORY...THE CYCLONE DISCUSSION... AND A WIND SPEED PROBABILITY PRODUCT...IS ISSUED EVERY SIX HOURS FOR ALL ONGOING TROPICAL CYCLONES. IN ADDITION...A SPECIAL ADVISORY PACKAGE MAY BE ISSUED AT ANY TIME TO ADVISE OF SIGNIFICANT UNEXPECTED CHANGES OR TO MODIFY WATCHES OR WARNINGS.

    THE TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATE IS A BRIEF STATEMENT TO INFORM OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES IN A TROPICAL CYCLONE OR TO POST OR CANCEL WATCHES OR WARNINGS. IT IS USED IN LIEU OF OR TO PRECEDE THE ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL ADVISORY PACKAGE. TROPICAL CYCLONE UPDATES ...WHICH CAN BE ISSUED AT ANY TIME...CAN BE FOUND UNDER WMO HEADER WTNT61-65 KNHC...AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCUAT1-5.

    ALL NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER TEXT AND GRAPHICAL PRODUCTS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE WEB AT WWW.HURRICANES.GOV. SIGN UP FOR PRODUCT UPDATES BY EMAIL AT WWW.HURRICANES.GOV/SIGNUP.SHTML...IN ALL LOWER CASE. YOU CAN ALSO INTERACT WITH US ON FACEBOOK AT http://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/US.NOAA.NATI...CANECENTER.GOV.

    $$
    FORECASTER BERG/PASCH

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    No real hope for now of a heat buster from the tropics for us. There is a potential a system to get organized in the Western Caribbean that, if it forms, would be forecast to track either North or Northeast.

    TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
    200 PM EDT SAT JUN 4 2011

    FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

    1. THE BROAD AREA OF LOW PRESSURE CENTERED ABOUT 125 MILES SOUTH-
    SOUTHWEST OF JAMAICA HAS CHANGED LITTLE IN ORGANIZATION TODAY.
    ALTHOUGH UPPER-LEVEL WINDS HAVE BEEN BECOMING A LITTLE MORE
    CONDUCIVE FOR DEVELOPMENT...DRY AIR IN THE MIDDLE LEVELS OF THE
    ATMOSPHERE APPEARS TO BE LIMITING SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM
    DEVELOPMENT NEAR THE CENTER. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...30
    PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
    NEXT 48 HOURS. HEAVY RAINS COULD CAUSE FLASH FLOODING AND MUD
    SLIDES OVER PORTIONS OF HAITI...THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC...AND
    JAMAICA AS THE LOW MOVES VERY LITTLE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

    ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
    NEXT 48 HOURS.

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    System in the Western Caribbean is getting a bit better organized. NHC has increased the chance of things becoming a Depression to 40% now. Models are completely split all over the place on where this system goes should it form. Below is the NHC discussion on the "Spaghetti" Model Plot.

    GFDL has the system in the Central gulf by June 10th with 61 kt winds (65 kts would be hurricane). Looking at the model spread, I would almost favor a movement to the NNW into the Gulf instead of the track to the NE.


    TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
    200 PM EDT SUN JUN 5 2011

    FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

    1. THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS BECOME A LITTLE BETTER ORGANIZED IN
    ASSOCIATION WITH A BROAD LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED ABOUT 150
    MILES SOUTHWEST OF JAMAICA. ALTHOUGH SURFACE PRESSURES ARE ONLY
    SLOWLY DECREASING...SOME GRADUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LARGE
    DISTURBANCE IS POSSIBLE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS WINDS IN
    THE MIDDLE LEVELS OF THE ATMOSPHERE BRIEFLY BECOME SOMEWHAT
    FAVORABLE. THERE IS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM
    BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. AN AIR FORCE
    RESERVE RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE LOW
    PRESSURE AREA MONDAY AFTERNOON...IF NECESSARY. REGARDLESS OF
    DEVELOPMENT...HEAVY RAINS COULD CAUSE FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES
    OVER PORTIONS OF HAITI AND JAMAICA AS THE SYSTEM MOVES SLOWLY
    TOWARD THE NORTHWEST OR NORTH OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS.

    ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
    NEXT 48 HOURS.


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    I hope it goes through the gulf and hit a bullseye on us and miraculously get stuck over us for days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I hope it goes through the gulf and hit a bullseye on us and miraculously get stuck over us for days.
    I wouldn't mind the rain but don't want flooding. Remnants of tropical systems are more welcome in July and August.

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    Updated discussion from NHC today. The model spread is almost identical to yesterday, so no need to repost. There is a general favoring of moving the system into the Gulf.

    TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
    200 PM EDT MON JUN 6 2011

    FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

    1. A LARGE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM LOCATED OVER THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN
    SEA ABOUT 90 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF GRAND CAYMAN IS MOVING SLOWLY
    TOWARD THE NORTHWEST. THIS SYSTEM IS GRADUALLY BECOMING BETTER
    ORGANIZED AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS DEVELOPED CLOSER TO THE
    SURFACE CENTER. SOME ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS
    POSSIBLE AND A TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD FORM LATER TONIGHT OR
    TUESDAY BEFORE UPPER-LEVEL WINDS BECOME UNFAVORABLE. THERE IS A
    MEDIUM CHANCE...50 PERCENT...OF THIS SYSTEM BECOMING A TROPICAL
    CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE
    RECONNAISSANCE AIRCRAFT IS SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM
    TOMORROW AFTERNOON...IF NECESSARY. REGARDLESS OF DEVELOPMENT...HEAVY
    RAINS COULD CAUSE FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES OVER PORTIONS OF
    HAITI...JAMAICA...AND EASTERN CUBA AS THE SYSTEM MOVES SLOWLY
    TOWARD THE NORTHWEST OR NORTH OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

    ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
    NEXT 48 HOURS.

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    The Evening Discussion on Arlene which formed this afternoon.

    TROPICAL STORM ARLENE DISCUSSION NUMBER 2
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL012011
    1000 PM CDT TUE JUN 28 2011

    WHILE THE DEEP CONVECTION NEAR AND TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER OF
    ARLENE HAS CONTINUED TO INCREASE DURING THE LAST FEW HOURS...THERE
    HAS BEEN NO FURTHER INCREASE IN ITS ORGANIZATION. DVORAK SATELLITE
    INTENSITY ESTIMATES REMAIN UNCHANGED SINCE 0000 UTC...AND THE
    INITIAL INTENSITY IS HELD AT 35 KT.

    SATELLITE IMAGERY SUGGESTS THAT UPPER-LEVEL WESTERLY WINDS CONTINUE
    TO IMPINGE ON THE CYCLONE...AND UW CIMSS SHEAR ANALYSES INDICATE
    ABOUT 20 KT OF WESTERLY SHEAR AFFECTING ARLENE. THE DYNAMICAL MODEL
    AND SHIPS GUIDANCE SUGGEST THAT THE SHEAR WILL DECREASE DURING THE
    NEXT 24 HOURS WHICH SHOULD ALLOW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GRADUAL
    STRENGTHENING. HOWEVER...THE LARGE CIRCULATION OF THE TROPICAL
    CYCLONE AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A SLOWER REDUCTION OF THE WESTERLY
    SHEAR COULD LIMIT ITS POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT INTENSIFICATION
    PRIOR TO LANDFALL. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS SIMILAR TO THE
    PREVIOUS ADVISORY AND CLOSE TO CONSENSUS OF THE INTENSITY GUIDANCE.

    ARLENE CONTINUES MOVING SLOWLY WEST-NORTHWESTWARD OR 295/6. THE
    STORM IS FORECAST TO TURN TOWARD THE WEST ON WEDNESDAY AS A MID- TO
    UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE OVER THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES BUILDS EASTWARD.
    SEVERAL OF THE DYNAMICAL MODELS INDICATE THAT ARLENE COULD TURN
    WEST-SOUTHWESTWARD AS IT APPROACHES THE COAST OF MEXICO DUE TO THE
    STRENGTHENING RIDGE. THE OFFICIAL TRACK FORECAST SUGGESTS THIS
    POSSIBILITY AND LIES BETWEEN THE GFS AND ECMWF MODEL SOLUTIONS.

    GIVEN THE LARGE SIZE OF THE CIRCULATION OF ARLENE...ONE SHOULD NOT
    FOCUS ON THE EXACT FORECAST TRACK...AS IMPACTS COULD BE FELT OVER A
    LARGE PORTION OF NORTHEASTERN MEXICO WELL AWAY FROM THE CENTER.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 29/0300Z 21.4N 94.1W 35 KT 40 MPH
    12H 29/1200Z 21.8N 95.1W 40 KT 45 MPH
    24H 30/0000Z 22.0N 96.3W 45 KT 50 MPH
    36H 30/1200Z 21.9N 97.4W 50 KT 60 MPH
    48H 01/0000Z 21.7N 98.6W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
    72H 02/0000Z 21.3N 100.5W 20 KT 25 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
    96H 03/0000Z...DISSIPATED

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    TD2 formed up off the coast of Florida today, but going the wrong direction for us.

    TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO DISCUSSION NUMBER 1
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022011
    500 PM EDT SUN JUL 17 2011

    AN AIR FORCE HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE INVESTIGATING THE LOW PRESSURE
    AREA JUST NORTH OF THE NORTHWEST BAHAMAS FOUND A WELL-DEFINED
    LOW-LEVEL CENTER OF CIRCULATION...AND THE SYSTEM IS BEING
    DESIGNATED AS A TROPICAL CYCLONE AT THIS TIME. ALTHOUGH WINDS OF
    TROPICAL STORM FORCE WERE MEASURED BY THE SFMR INSTRUMENT ON BOARD
    THE PLANE...THESE OBSERVATIONS WERE FLAGGED AS QUESTIONABLE. PEAK
    FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS REPORTED BY THE AIRCRAFT WERE 44 KT WHICH WOULD
    NORMALLY INDICATE A SYSTEM OF TROPICAL STORM STRENGTH. HOWEVER...
    THE CONVECTION NEAR THE CENTER IS RELATIVELY WEAK...AND IN THIS
    CASE THE STRONGEST WINDS ARE LIKELY NOT MIXING DOWN TO THE SURFACE
    AS MUCH AS TYPICALLY OCCURS. THE CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATE IS 30
    KT. THE ATMOSPHERIC ENVIRONMENT IS NOT IDEAL FOR STRENGTHENING
    WITH SOME DRIER AIR JUST TO THE NORTH AND NORTHWEST OF THE CYCLONE.
    THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST CLOSELY FOLLOWS THE LGEM AND
    INTENSITY CONSENSUS GUIDANCE. NONE OF THE CURRENT MODEL RUNS SHOW
    THE SYSTEM STRENGTHENING INTO A HURRICANE.

    INITIAL MOTION IS A SOUTHWARD DRIFT. STEERING CURRENTS ARE LIKELY
    TO REMAIN QUITE WEAK OVER THE NEXT DAY OR SO...AS THE SYSTEM IS
    SITUATED IN A WEAKNESS IN THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE. IN A COUPLE
    OF DAYS...THE MID-LEVEL RIDGE TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE TROPICAL
    CYCLONE IS FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN SLIGHTLY AND THIS...ALONG WITH A
    WEAK TROUGH PASSING NORTH OF THE CYCLONE...SHOULD INDUCE A GENERAL
    NORTHEASTWARD MOTION. LATER IN THE FORECAST PERIOD...THE TRACK
    GUIDANCE IS IN FAIRLY GOOD AGREEMENT ON AN EAST-NORTHEASTWARD
    MOTION AT AN INCREASING FORWARD SPEED. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS
    RATHER CLOSE TO THE MODEL CONSENSUS AND TO THE LATEST ECMWF TRACK.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 17/2100Z 27.5N 78.2W 30 KT 35 MPH
    12H 18/0600Z 27.4N 78.2W 40 KT 45 MPH
    24H 18/1800Z 28.2N 77.8W 45 KT 50 MPH
    36H 19/0600Z 29.0N 77.3W 50 KT 60 MPH
    48H 19/1800Z 30.4N 76.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
    72H 20/1800Z 32.0N 73.5W 50 KT 60 MPH
    96H 21/1800Z 34.0N 67.0W 45 KT 50 MPH
    120H 22/1800Z 36.0N 60.0W 40 KT 45 MPH

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    Upgraded to Tropical Storm Bret already.

    BULLETIN
    TROPICAL STORM BRET INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER 1A
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL022011
    800 PM EDT SUN JUL 17 2011

    ...TROPICAL DEPRESSION STRENGTHENS...BECOMES THE SECOND TROPICAL
    STORM OF THE 2011 ATLANTIC HURRICANE SEASON...


    SUMMARY OF 800 PM EDT...0000 UTC...INFORMATION
    ----------------------------------------------
    LOCATION...27.5N 78.1W
    ABOUT 100 MI...165 KM NW OF GREAT ABACO ISLAND
    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
    PRESENT MOVEMENT...SSE OR 145 DEGREES AT 2 MPH...4 KM/H
    MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1009 MB...29.80 INCHES


    WATCHES AND WARNINGS
    --------------------
    CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY...

    NONE

    SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

    A TROPICAL STORM WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR...
    * GRAND BAHAMA ISLAND AND THE ABACO ISLANDS IN THE NORTHWEST BAHAMAS

    FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...PLEASE MONITOR
    PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.


    DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
    ------------------------------
    AT 800 PM EDT...0000 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM BRET WAS
    LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 27.5 NORTH...LONGITUDE 78.1 WEST. BRET IS
    DRIFTING TOWARD THE SOUTH-SOUTHEAST NEAR 2 MPH...4 KM/H...AND
    LITTLE MOVEMENT IS EXPECTED OVERNIGHT...FOLLOWED BY A SLOW NORTH-
    NORTHEASTWARD MOTION ON MONDAY.

    MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 40 MPH...65 KM/H...
    WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SOME ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST
    DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

    TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 35 MILES...55 KM...
    FROM THE CENTER.

    THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1009 MB...29.80 INCHES.


    HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
    ----------------------
    RAINFALL...BRET COULD PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1
    TO 3 INCHES OVER THE NORTHWEST BAHAMAS.

    WIND...TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE IN THE EXTREME
    NORTHWESTERN BAHAMAS TONIGHT AND MONDAY.

    SURF...LOCALLY HIGH SURF CONDITIONS CAN BE EXPECTED ALONG NORTHERN
    AND WESTERN FACING BEACHES IN THE NORTHWEST BAHAMAS THROUGH
    TONIGHT.


    NEXT ADVISORY
    -------------
    NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...1100 PM EDT.

    $$
    FORECASTER BROWN/BERG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I hope it goes through the gulf and hit a bullseye on us and miraculously get stuck over us for days.
    Oh, yeah, the Great Flood of 1986, caused by a fall tropical storm, was something else. Some people were scared to death that water couldn't be let out fast enough from Keystone Dam by Tulsa to keep the water from going over the top. But it didn't get that bad. But at least one or two bridges over the Cimarron River washed away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Oh, yeah, the Great Flood of 1986, caused by a fall tropical storm, was something else. Some people were scared to death that water couldn't be let out fast enough from Keystone Dam by Tulsa to keep the water from going over the top. But it didn't get that bad. But at least one or two bridges over the Cimarron River washed away.
    Keystone Dam released 310,000 cfs (cubic feet per second) during that flood; all gates open. Typical volume in the Arkansas at Tulsa is 10,000 cfs. By contrast, the highest cfs ever recorded on the Oklahoma River in OKC was just under 2,000 in '07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG918 View Post
    Keystone Dam released 310,000 cfs (cubic feet per second) during that flood; all gates open. Typical volume in the Arkansas at Tulsa is 10,000 cfs. By contrast, the highest cfs ever recorded on the Oklahoma River in OKC was just under 2,000 in '07.
    Hmm...maybe that's what we need to make the North Canadian/Oklahoma and Canadian rivers actually look like real rivers. You know, the kind with water and without nicely landscaped banks. LOL

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    Opps...Missed Cindy forming yesterday.

    TROPICAL STORM CINDY DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL032011
    500 PM AST THU JUL 21 2011

    SEVERAL MICROWAVE IMAGES THIS AFTERNOON SHOW THAT CINDY HAS BEEN
    TRYING TO FORM AN EYEWALL. A CLEAR SPOT HAS BEEN APPARENT IN
    VISIBLE IMAGERY...ALTHOUGH THE DEEP CONVECTION HAS NEVER WRAPPED
    AROUND IT ENOUGH TO CALL IT AN EYE. SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES
    FROM TAFB AND SAB ARE UNCHANGED FROM EARLIER...AND A RECENT CIRA
    AMSU ESTIMATE WAS 49 KT. BASED ON THIS...THE INITIAL INTENSITY
    REMAINS 50 KT...BUT THIS COULD BE A LITTLE CONSERVATIVE.

    THE INITIAL MOTION IS 040/24. CINDY REMAINS EMBEDDED IN MODERATE
    DEEP-LAYER SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW BETWEEN THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE TO THE
    SOUTHEAST AND THE MAIN BAND OF THE WESTERLIES TO THE NORTHWEST.
    THIS PATTERN IS FORECAST TO PERSIST AND STEER CINDY GENERALLY
    NORTHEASTWARD FOR 36 HR OR SO...FOLLOWED BY A MORE EAST-
    NORTHEASTWARD MOTION BEFORE THE CYCLONE DISSIPATES. THE NEW
    FORECAST TRACK IS JUST A LITTLE TO THE LEFT OF THE PREVIOUS
    FORECAST BASED ON THE INITIAL POSITION.

    CINDY SHOULD WEAKEN DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS DUE TO COLD SEA
    SURFACE TEMPERATURES ALONG THE FORECAST TRACK AND EXTRATROPICAL
    TRANSITION. THE CYCLONE IS EXPECTED TO BECOME EXTRATROPICAL IN
    ABOUT 24 HR AND WEAKEN TO A TROUGH IN ABOUT 72 HR IN AGREEMENT WITH
    THE GLOBAL MODEL GUIDANCE.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 21/2100Z 42.3N 45.0W 50 KT 60 MPH
    12H 22/0600Z 44.5N 41.4W 45 KT 50 MPH
    24H 22/1800Z 47.9N 36.1W 40 KT 45 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    36H 23/0600Z 51.6N 29.8W 35 KT 40 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    48H 23/1800Z 55.0N 22.6W 25 KT 30 MPH...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
    72H 24/1800Z...DISSIPATED

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    You missed Cindy? I feel less safe now. lol

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    Not much new today.

    Atlantic
    TD Bret - last advisory issued, its done.
    TS Cindy - Still a weak tropical storm but quickly going extratropical as it is moving through colder waters.

    Pacific
    Hurricane Dora - continues to spin down south of Cabo. Should continue to go NW and die out early next week. Probably won't see much, if any moisture swing back this way.

    So what potential is out there?
    One area of interest is just east of the Windward Islands. Not chance for it to really get going any time soon, just bring some rain and wind to the Caribbean islands. NOGAPS is out on its own, for the most part, and does eventually start to develop the low towards the end of the weekend once it passes north of Hispaniola. It takes the system NW through the Bahamas and just off the Florida coast near Daytona Beach in 6 days. None of the other major models are showing this solution right now, but just putting it out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    Yeah I saw that. It's heading the right way at least!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    Unfortunately all of today's model runs have completely dropped this solution, which was mostly just something they latched on to yesterday. The biggest issue for anything coming up from the Gulf would be the upper high parked over us. We would need it to move off to the east a bit to help get anything over us.

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    Hope...maybe.



    TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
    800 PM EDT TUE JUL 26 2011

    FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

    1. SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE OVER THE
    NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA JUST TO THE SOUTH OF EXTREME WESTERN CUBA
    CONTINUE TO SHOW SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION. HOWEVER...SURFACE
    OBSERVATIONS INDICATE THAT THE SYSTEM DOES NOT HAVE A CLOSED
    CIRCULATION AT THIS TIME. SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS
    POSSIBLE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT MOVES TOWARD THE
    WEST-NORTHWEST NEAR 15 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A MEDIUM CHANCE...40
    PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

    ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
    NEXT 48 HOURS.

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    In reference to the above system, the model spread is very wide with intensity.

    GFDL - landfall in SW Louisiana as a weak Tropical Storm.
    HWRF - Landfall in Southern TX as a weak Hurricane.

    Everything in between from a weak surface low to a hurricane is current projected...so we can't say for certainty that anything will happen. Landfall does appear to be anywhere from 3 to 4 days out.

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    Hope is increasing, but models are either keeping the system well south or dissipating very quickly as it approaches.

    TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
    800 AM EDT WED JUL 27 2011

    FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

    1. THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE NEAR THE
    YUCATAN CHANNEL CONTINUES TO BECOME BETTER ORGANIZED...AND RADAR
    DATA FROM MEXICO SUGGESTS THAT A CIRCULATION COULD BE FORMING ABOUT
    50 MILES NORTHEAST OF CANCUN. IF CURRENT TRENDS CONTINUE...A
    TROPICAL DEPRESSION COULD DEVELOP LATER TODAY. INTERESTS IN THE
    NORTHEASTERN YUCATAN PENINSULA...AS WELL AS THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN
    GULF OF MEXICO...SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM AS IT
    MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD NEAR 15 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A HIGH
    CHANCE...80 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE
    NEXT 48 HOURS. AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT IS
    SCHEDULED TO INVESTIGATE THIS SYSTEM LATER TODAY.

    ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
    NEXT 48 HOURS.

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    TROPICAL STORM DON DISCUSSION NUMBER 1
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042011
    400 PM CDT WED JUL 27 2011

    AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INVESTIGATING THE
    TROPICAL WAVE OVER THE SOUTHERN GULF OF MEXICO FOUND A CLOSED
    SURFACE CIRCULATION WITH A CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 1001 MB. THE
    MAXIMUM 1000 FT FLIGHT-LEVEL WINDS WERE 45 KT EAST OF THE CENTER...
    AND THERE WERE SEVERAL RELIABLE-LOOKING SMFR SURFACE WIND ESTIMATES
    OF 35 KT. BASED ON THIS...THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNATED AS TROPICAL
    STORM DON. THE AIRCRAFT DATA SHOW THAT THE CIRCULATION CENTER IS
    ELONGATED...AND IT IS POSSIBLE SOME REFORMATION OF THE CENTER COULD
    OCCUR TONIGHT IN RESPONSE TO CONVECTIVE BURSTS.

    THE INITIAL MOTION IS A SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN 295/10. DON IS SOUTH OF
    A LOW/MID-LEVEL RIDGE OVER THE NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO...AND WATER
    VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS UPPER-LEVEL EASTERLY FLOW DEVELOPING TO THE
    NORTH AND NORTHEAST OF THE STORM. THE LARGE-SCALE MODELS FORECAST
    THAT WITHIN 24 HR DON WILL BECOME EMBEDDED IN DEEP-LAYER EASTERLY
    TO SOUTHEASTERLY FLOW THAT SHOULD PERSIST FOR SEVERAL DAYS. THIS
    EVOLUTION SHOULD STEER THE STORM GENERALLY NORTHWESTWARD. WHILE
    THE MODELS AGREE WITH THIS SCENARIO...THERE IS A SPREAD IN THE
    GUIDANCE ON WHERE DON WILL REACH THE NORTHWESTERN GULF COAST. THE
    GFDL AND GFS ARE FARTHEST TO THE RIGHT...CLOSER TO THE HOUSTON/
    GALVESTON AREA. THE UKMET/ECMWF ARE FARTHEST TO THE LEFT...CLOSER
    TO THE BROWNSVILLE AREA. THE FORECAST TRACK LIES BETWEEN THESE
    EXTREMES AND IS CLOSE TO THE VARIOUS CONSENSUS MODELS.

    DON IS OVER THE WARM WATERS OF THE GULF OF MEXICO...AND THE
    GLOBAL MODELS FOR THE MOST PART FORECAST LIGHT TO MODERATE
    VERTICAL WIND SHEAR OVER THE SYSTEM FOR THE NEXT 72 HR. DESPITE
    THIS...NONE OF THOSE MODELS SUGGEST SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHENING OF
    THE STORM...AND NEITHER DOES THE GFDL. THE SHIPS...LGEM...AND HWRF
    MODELS FORECAST THE SYSTEM TO REACH 55-65 KT BEFORE LANDFALL IN
    TEXAS...AND THE INTENSITY FORECAST FOLLOWS THAT SCENARIO IN BEST
    AGREEMENT WITH THE SHIPS MODEL. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE 48 HR
    INTENSITY OF 55 KT IS WELL BEFORE LANDFALL...AND DON COULD GET
    STRONGER THAN THIS BETWEEN 48-72 HR.

    WATCHES AND/OR WARNINGS WILL LIKELY BE REQUIRED FOR PORTIONS OF THE
    TEXAS COAST TONIGHT OR THURSDAY.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 27/2100Z 22.2N 87.0W 35 KT 40 MPH
    12H 28/0600Z 23.1N 88.7W 40 KT 45 MPH
    24H 28/1800Z 24.5N 90.9W 45 KT 50 MPH
    36H 29/0600Z 25.8N 92.8W 50 KT 60 MPH
    48H 29/1800Z 27.1N 94.8W 55 KT 65 MPH
    72H 30/1800Z 29.0N 99.5W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND
    96H 31/1800Z 31.0N 103.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
    120H 01/1800Z...DISSIPATED

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    New Discussion for Advisory 2

    TROPICAL STORM DON DISCUSSION NUMBER 2
    NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL042011
    1000 PM CDT WED JUL 27 2011

    THE CLOUD PATTERN HAS NOT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY DURING THE PAST
    SEVERAL HOURS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE UPPER-LEVEL OUTFLOW THAT IS
    EXPANDING IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE CYCLONE. DEEP CONVECTION
    NEAR THE CENTER HAS DIMINISHED BUT THERE IS A CYCLONICALLY
    CURVED CONVECTIVE BAND TO THE SOUTH. T-NUMBERS HAVE NOT CHANGED AND
    THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS KEPT AT 35 KNOTS. ANOTHER RECONNAISSANCE
    PLANE IS SCHEDULED TO CHECK THE CYCLONE AT DAYBREAK.

    DON IS MOVING OVER WARM WATERS AND THE SHIPS GUIDANCE AS WELL AS
    MOST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS INDICATE THAT THE SHEAR IS LIKELY TO
    REMAIN RELATIVELY LOW...ALLOWING FOR SOME INTENSIFICATION.
    HOWEVER...NONE OF THE INTENSITY MODELS SHOW SIGNIFICANT
    STRENGTHENING. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE 48-HR OFFICIAL INTENSITY
    FORECAST OF 55 KT IS BEFORE LANDFALL...AND DON COULD GAIN SOME
    ADDITIONAL STRENGTH AS IT APPROACHES THE COAST.

    THE CYCLONE IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST OR 300 DEGREES AT
    10 KNOTS. THE RIDGE OVER THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES CONTROLLING THE
    CURRENT MOTION OF DON IS EXPECTED TO PERSIST OR EVEN BUILD WESTWARD
    A LITTLE. THEREFORE...NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE STEERING PATTERN
    IS ANTICIPATED...AND DON SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE ON THE SAME
    GENERAL WEST-NORTHWEST OR NORTHWEST TRACK TOWARD THE TEXAS COAST.
    THE TRACK GUIDANCE IS NOT IN QUITE AS GOOD AGREEMENT AS ONE WOULD
    LIKE TO SEE...HOWEVER. SOME MODELS LIKE THE GFDL AND GFDN BRING
    THE CYCLONE ON A MORE NORTHWESTERLY TRACK WHILE OTHERS...LIKE THE
    ECMWF...INDICATE A MORE WESTERLY MOTION. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS
    BASICALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO OPTIONS.

    GIVEN THE CURRENT FORECAST TRACK AND UNCERTAINTIES... A TROPICAL
    STORM WATCH IS BEING ISSUED FOR A LARGE PORTION OF TEXAS COAST AT
    THIS TIME.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INIT 28/0300Z 22.8N 88.1W 35 KT 40 MPH
    12H 28/1200Z 23.6N 89.5W 40 KT 45 MPH
    24H 29/0000Z 25.0N 91.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
    36H 29/1200Z 26.2N 93.6W 50 KT 60 MPH
    48H 30/0000Z 27.5N 96.0W 55 KT 65 MPH
    72H 31/0000Z 29.5N 100.0W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND
    96H 01/0000Z...DISSIPATED

  25. Default Re: Tropical Weather Discussion 2011

    This is okay. Even though the core will be going the wrong way, the overall system is still huge....pulling in the moisture....and all that swirling clouds should cover us and be giving us rain. Right?

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