Capitol Hill

[BBatesokc]

Let me check crime tracker,, Bricktown actually had more violence then CH

Huh? I don't see it. Based on the boundaries of both areas and when going over many months of archived reports of crime I see far more in the Capitol Hill area overall.

[BBatesokc]

Crime tracker shows some incidence but there is worse areas..

My comments had nothing to do with comparing one area to another. It was simply a contrast (and reality check) to people only saying how friendly and safe the area is. I'd love to see the area developed and become an attraction. However, the reality is the area still only has 'promise' and very little progress. Additionally, the area is ripe with crime. Crime alone though is not a deal breaker as the revitalized Plaza District has shown.

[Reno and Walker]

Okay I beg to differ, I just went on Crime tracker did you check that site? BT area had more violent crime. anyways you will not change my mind about buying in that area..

[BBatesokc]

Okay I beg to differ, I just went on Crime tracker did you check that site? BT area had more violent crime. anyways you will not change my mind about buying in that area..

I don't know what you're looking at but I'm at News9's Crime Tracker. I suspect you are comparing all of Bricktown to simply Commerce Street in CH. Not to mention comparing those areas on any level is odd at best considering they have nothing in common.

Never tried to change your mind about buying. I've looked in the area too. But the reality is it is most likely a longer term investment then I'd be interested in.

[Reno and Walker]

Crime is crime doesn't matter if they have anything in common.. anyway time will tell.. I am getting bored with this..

[Rover]

Capital Hill will have a chance if the businesses and the population there invests back into the community it will have a chance. Otherwise it will take a big company to buy up the properties to re-develop. I don't think that is what this group on here wants either. Best chance is for the hispanic population and businesses there to do what has been done by the Asians in the Classen area. I think the city would be willing to help under those conditions.

[Reno and Walker]

I agree Rover, Some of the folks on here do not want anything with SW attached to it to ever prosper. Especially the Edmonites and the Moore-ons ..

[BBatesokc]

I agree Rover, Some of the folks on here do not want anything with SW attached to it to ever prosper. Especially the Edmonites and the Moore-ons ..

Actually, what's more realistic is that "some folks on here" read things that were never written simply to further a bias they already have.

Nobody in this thread forwarded the ideals you conveyed above. And, any criticism (aka, reality check) that I offered also included the fact I wish the area would prosper and become a destination spot.

[Reno and Walker]

Why do you think I was even talking about you?

[blangtang]

I noticed a lot of chain link fencing along SW 29 or 25th as we went to the taco truck on Kentucky. that taco truck is the bomb. What would 50K down in that neighborhood buy? A run down duplex?

[Architect2010]

Hell no. You'd get a pretty decent home for that, in terms of comparable homes in the area. My grandparents had passed and we recently decided to sell their very well kept and very nice house, but honestly outdated. And it's for sale currently at 45,000! It's 3 stories, 2 bathrooms. Has an apartment/garage attachment in the backyard. It's a steal to what these houses in the suburbs cost. And as for the neighborhood, it's at SW 46th and Harvey, and the neighborhood is actually very quiet and well kept. You honestly cannot go wrong with the neighborhoods along Walker anywhere from about SW 44th and up, they've remained very well kept/or stable in contrast to the innards of Central or McKinley and 16th. There are even a couple mansions in my neighborhood. I must admit though that the 50 year-old concrete roads and lack of forestry protection is insulting. My mother tells me as a kid in the 50's that every house on the streets had two giant trees, probably Oak? or Elm?, in the front yards. Now only a few remain in good shape, and a majority are completely gone or have been cut down to ridiculous, scraggly things.

Is it just me or does the Southside have a noticeable difference in overall tree health, variety, and coverage? From say the beautiful neighborhoods of the Northside with all their old trees still intact?

[Reno and Walker]

blangtang I believe this area is a great play for the 5-10 year projection..Due to the fact it all links into the core to shore area... I wish some folks on here would have the cohones to give some future plays, but who know if they are actually from OKC. Too much talk and no action..

[Rover]

The elevation and the view it has of the river and downtown alone are enough to make it desirable. And, to create something attractive on the hills south of the river would make for a spectacular view from downtown. So, all of us in town have a vested interest in Capital Hill, regardless of where we live now.

[betts]

What Oklahoma City is now doing that other cities already have is using old retail areas to create neighborhoods with retail and restaurants. That creates demand for housing in the area and pride of place. The Virginia Highlands and Little Five in Atlanta, Wicker Park and Bucktown in Chicago, etc. The Plaza District, the Paseo and Capitol Hill are perfect examples of situations in which there is the same type of potential for development.

[Reno and Walker]

Now that the Walker bridge is open, CH has even better exposure to Downtown and the River..

[Steve]

Yeah, there's definitely potential ...

[Urbanized]

I think a successful redevelopment of Capitol Hill should be a priority for anyone pushing C2S. In fact, it should come first. It already has a great built environment, and would serve as a southern anchor.

[Rover]

Problem is, we have so many areas we are pushing for development and we are a relatively small big city. We could spread our selves too thing and make it difficult for anything to be really successful. This has been a problem in the past with all these pockets of development in the suburbs. Right now we are pushing Bricktown, Deep Deuce, Mid Town, SOSA, Downtown, Film Exchange, Asian District, River District, C2S, Lower Bricktown, Medical District. Is there energy and demand left for Capital Hill? Only if it is organic, in my humble opinion.

[Urbanized]

True, but Capitol Hill can rely on a different population/corporate base that is not necessarily engaged in these other districts.

[Reno and Walker]

Capitol Hills geography is much better positioned then half that list. I am going to try to buy some more in that area... Some of the old-timer OKC money still has a strange love affair with that part of town... My dad who is in his 70's is willing to invest with me, because he believes it has huge potential.. Steve are you going to the project 180 conference I have an extra ticket..

[metro]

Call me crazy, but aren't the meetings open to the public? And doesn't media get in anyway?

[Reno and Walker]

Probably so, I will check.. Maybe it was just a meeting reminder packet..

[Spartan]

Problem is, we have so many areas we are pushing for development and we are a relatively small big city. We could spread our selves too thing and make it difficult for anything to be really successful. This has been a problem in the past with all these pockets of development in the suburbs. Right now we are pushing Bricktown, Deep Deuce, Mid Town, SOSA, Downtown, Film Exchange, Asian District, River District, C2S, Lower Bricktown, Medical District. Is there energy and demand left for Capital Hill? Only if it is organic, in my humble opinion.

I know where you're coming from, but at the same time, a lot of this is going to take city action. Where Capitol Hill has a chance is if it can funnel and attract entertainment and retail that draws the entire south side. All the Capitol Hill and US Grant grads who live south of 240 these days will be needed, because the district will need more mainstream exposure if it's going to gentrify. I would always hope it would have an exciting, Latino flair, but it needs to balance that with mainstream exposure. It's a strip that can easily become OKC's leading Mexican food district, and that alone would attract people from across 240.

But I would go back to my main point, being that we have a city government that needs to find a solution to the growing gap of retail on the southside. It just gets worse and worse. The city would be wise to make this a priority because the southside is the leading area of sales tax seepage. They can chose to address that issue either in a way that helps or hurts Capitol Hill.

Organic growth such as on 16th or 9th is amazing and powerful, but you can't even ever predict that. I knew that the Plaza was going to see improvements. Never in my wildest dreams would I have predicted it becoming what it is now.

[Architect2010]

What growing gap do you refer to? The distance between us and "B"oore's retail sprawlfest?

[Spartan]

What growing gap do you refer to? The distance between us and "B"oore's retail sprawlfest?

Precisely..The distance between Penn Square and yes, that sprawlfest...