Edmond vs. Moore

[Soonerinfiniti]

It is incredible how successful Moore has been with their welcoming of retail development at SE 19th and I-35. They continue to attract retailers - when 5 Guys Burgers comes to town, where do they go? Not Edmond, but Moore!

I had heard that the City of Moore was very generous with incentives (paying for utilities, etc.) to attract retailers, and it appears to have worked. Meanwhile, the City of Edmond has a reputation of being very difficult to work with. Case in point - Fox Lake development. At one time, Sam's Club and Warren Theaters wanted to go in there. Today, just a pile of red dirt.

Some would say that the recession has stalled development. Sure hasn't stalled it in Moore!

[Easy180]

Here come the Moore jabs lol

Having the Warren is about the only thing that sets us apart from the metro but I am certainly enjoying the retail explosion now that gas prices are so high...With Target going in we will have pretty much everything we need within 3 miles of us

[soonerkev]

Yes Moore has been generous with incentives, but the City of Moore also has a top notch Economic Development and Marketing Department. I will assure you that there will be more surprises in the future and many new businesses that are no where else in the state!

[G.Walker]

I recently moved to Moore from Norman, and its not all its cracked up to be. Moore is just a housing and retail hub, that gains most of its business from I-35 traffic. There is no art and culture in Moore. The public parks are limited also. Most of the public amenities are old, and needs to be upgraded. Moore is still a young city, it has a long way to go. Restaurants and clothing stores don't make a great city...

[G.Walker]

Commuters are deceived by the great retail that adorns each side of I-35, believing Moore is just this great growing city. Do not be fooled, because outside of that, there is nothing.

[Easy180]

You not know all of this before moving?

But I do agree with a lot of what you say...The main attraction is location and a little better school system than OKC

[Charlie40]

Yes Moore has been generous with incentives, but the City of Moore also has a top notch Economic Development and Marketing Department. I will assure you that there will be more surprises in the future and many new businesses that are no where else in the state!

Yes, I was reading about some big suprises comming to the Warren about 6 months after the new Warren I Max opens look for another big announcement from them.

[soonerkev]

It's hard to compare Moore with Norman and Edmond when it comes to Art and Culture scenes. Both of those cities have a huge advantage based solely on the fact that they have large universities there. But Moore does have an up and coming Art and Culture scene. Old Town has begun an Art Walk the 3rd Friday of every month. The upstairs of Old School is becoming an Artist Colony with the likes of Dana Helms the Upside Down Artist, and about 4 other artists. Colorful Studios has also opened upstairs and you must check them out. Their studio and work is top notch colorfulstudio.com, give it a look. Also in late July their will be an independent film festival from the 21st to 23rd I believe.

[EdmondBrad]

It is incredible how successful Moore has been with their welcoming of retail development at SE 19th and I-35. They continue to attract retailers - when 5 Guys Burgers comes to town, where do they go? Not Edmond, but Moore!

I had heard that the City of Moore was very generous with incentives (paying for utilities, etc.) to attract retailers, and it appears to have worked. Meanwhile, the City of Edmond has a reputation of being very difficult to work with. Case in point - Fox Lake development. At one time, Sam's Club and Warren Theaters wanted to go in there. Today, just a pile of red dirt.

Some would say that the recession has stalled development. Sure hasn't stalled it in Moore!

Are you seriously taking a dig at Edmond because Moore can attract a chain burger joint and a movie theater? I don't know anyone in Edmond who wants that stuff here. Good luck with that. Edmond is more focused on education, parks, safety, art etc....ie a good place to raise children....and I'm glad the city is difficult to work with...I appreciate the aesthetic hoops that businesses have to jump through to build here. That's one of the many reasons why 1)people want to move their families here and 2)my home value is much higher than the same home anywhere in Moore.

[Jesseda]

EDMONDBRAD lol your name says it all, to me edmond is nothing to look at, but hey, in th metro there really isnt anything to go ohh and awwww. moore is really family friendly , the city has a lot of fun family events going on year round.. edmond probably does to, but who cares what edmond has or doesnt I dont live there or visit the place, since their really isnt anything special in edmond, so no need to bash it, there is no need to bash edmond or moore. Moore has been in the spotlight for a couple years with business development, new schools and large homes being built all around the city, so who cares if moore is the hub right now, maybe in 5 years it will be piedmont, yukon or mustang....

[earlywinegareth]

Moore has also built much nicer subdivisions in the past 10 years or so. School system is good, about on par with Norman, and quite a lot better than OKC. IMO the ranking of the large school systems in the area goes: Edmond/Deer Creek, Moore/Norman, Yukon/Mustang/PC, Mid/Del/Choctaw, then OKC.

But truthfully, there's not a whole lot of difference between Edmond, Moore, Norman, Yukon, or Mustang - they all offer good quality of living.

[soonerkev]

Are you seriously taking a dig at Edmond because Moore can attract a chain burger joint and a movie theater? I don't know anyone in Edmond who wants that stuff here. Good luck with that. Edmond is more focused on education, parks, safety, art etc....ie a good place to raise children....and I'm glad the city is difficult to work with...I appreciate the aesthetic hoops that businesses have to jump through to build here. That's one of the many reasons why 1)people want to move their families here and 2)my home value is much higher than the same home anywhere in Moore.

Typical arrogant Edmond response. Go ahead and live in your fairy tale dream land. Heck you might as well move to Plano, Mckinney or any of those typical Dallas suburbs so you can live the 30,000 dollar millionaire life. I dont want to hear you complain when your city is having budget issues and having to do hiring freezes/layoffs and they dont have money to repair your aging infrastructure. Because let me tell you Edmond is not far off from that and will be in the same boat as Norman if they don't change their stance on alot of things. The number one culprit for this problem is a decreasing or stagnant sales tax base. Go ahead and say I am full of it, but I interact on a weekly basis with employees of the City of Edmond and this is coming straight from their mouths.

[EdmondBrad]

Typical arrogant Edmond response. Go ahead and live in your fairy tale dream land. Heck you might as well move to Plano, Mckinney or any of those typical Dallas suburbs so you can live the 30,000 dollar millionaire life. I dont want to hear you complain when your city is having budget issues and having to do hiring freezes/layoffs and they dont have money to repair your aging infrastructure. Because let me tell you Edmond is not far off from that and will be in the same boat as Norman if they don't change their stance on alot of things. The number one culprit for this problem is a decreasing or stagnant sales tax base. Go ahead and say I am full of it, but I interact on a weekly basis with employees of the City of Edmond and this is coming straight from their mouths.

I'm not sure what I said that was arrogant....just stating why people like to live here. I do thinks it's rich when someone comes to a forum for which the topic is a city (Emond) in which they don't live in to make a statement regarding why their city is better than the other. Especially in light of Edmond having one of the three most highly regarded school sytems in the state and the fact that Edmond is rank as the 35th best place to live in the US by CNN/Money....there are 3 other Oklahoma cities that are in the top 100, but Moore is not one of them. Seems city planners are doing something right...even without the extra burger restaurant. This all just sounds like "sour grapes".

[EdmondBrad]

Typical arrogant Edmond response. Go ahead and live in your fairy tale dream land. Heck you might as well move to Plano, Mckinney or any of those typical Dallas suburbs so you can live the 30,000 dollar millionaire life. I dont want to hear you complain when your city is having budget issues and having to do hiring freezes/layoffs and they dont have money to repair your aging infrastructure. Because let me tell you Edmond is not far off from that and will be in the same boat as Norman if they don't change their stance on alot of things. The number one culprit for this problem is a decreasing or stagnant sales tax base. Go ahead and say I am full of it, but I interact on a weekly basis with employees of the City of Edmond and this is coming straight from their mouths.

Additionally, regarding the tax base, funds for infrastructure, etc......the Moore city population is 65% of Edmond's population while the Moore city budget is less than half (48%) of Edmond's city budget.

[earlywinegareth]

It's not Moore's fault they don't have a state university. That is a factor in those "best places" rankings. IMO, Norman offers the best overall living experience in the state (I grew up there & graduated from OU) although the traffic is awful...but it it makes you feel better, let's all bow down and be awed by the greatness of Edmond, lol!

[earlywinegareth]

EdmondBrad, so you're boasting that Edmond is less efficient spending its tax dollars compared to Moore? You sure you wanted to say that??

[Soonerinfiniti]

I don't live in Moore either - I am just interested as to why no national retailers are coming to Edmond? Edmond always touts its stat that over half its residents have a college degree. Most affluent suburbs have national retailers. What is the City of Edmond doing wrong?

[EdmondBrad]

EdmondBrad, so you're boasting that Edmond is less efficient spending its tax dollars compared to Moore? You sure you wanted to say that??

No. Refuting the implication that one city has less money to spend/inferior tax base than another.....it's always nice to be able to reason with the facts rather than anecdotal "friends I know".

[EdmondBrad]

I don't live in Moore either - I am just interested as to why no national retailers are coming to Edmond? Edmond always touts its stat that over half its residents have a college degree. Most affluent suburbs have national retailers. What is the City of Edmond doing wrong?

Which national retailers are you referring to?

[Soonerinfiniti]

Genghis Grill and 5 Guys Burgers come to mind. True, not Restoration Hardware, but I still wonder why they chose Moore over Edmond. What is Edmond doing wrong in its quest for more retail sales tax dollars? Should Edmond be trying to attract smaller tenants like 5 Guys, or should they continue their quest for a convention center?

[EdmondBrad]

Genghis Grill and 5 Guys Burgers come to mind. True, not Restoration Hardware, but I still wonder why they chose Moore over Edmond. What is Edmond doing wrong in its quest for more retail sales tax dollars? Should Edmond be trying to attract smaller tenants like 5 Guys, or should they continue their quest for a convention center?

I don't have a clue why those fast food restaurants built in Moore. I honestly never heard of either one until today. Maybe the demographic of Moore is one that is most likely to eat fast food....this is probably a question for their management. I do think it's kind of strange that because Edmond doesn't have these two restaurants, you make the statement that Edmond has no national retailers.

[Spartan]

I think we should probably stop pretending that Edmond is all that different from Moore.

[Jesseda]

the only difference really is the college, and that edmond has more trees.. both are nice place to live,, moore just seems to be the it thing with businesses right now thats all..

[earlywinegareth]

Moore has Toby Keith, Edmond has Shannon Miller. Moore > Edmond.

[EdmondBrad]

Moore has Toby Keith, Edmond has Shannon Miller. Moore > Edmond.

This thread reminds me of the little guy with the inferiority complex that tries to start a fight every time he goes to a bar.