OKC #2 most violent Capital City in US

[OKC Heel]

Atlanta takes the top spot.

http://www.koco.com/slideshow/news/27676604/detail.html

[mcca7596]

Somewhat surprising; most disconcerting is that I assume this isn't overall crime data, it's based on things like rape, murder, assault, etc... as these constitute "violence".

[Spartan]

At least we have an over-paid police force. Thank goodness for that.

Too bad police forces don't seem to be a very effective way of fighting crime these days...but ah well.

[TheTravellers]

OK's also on the 10 least peaceful states list:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...tle=8_Oklahoma

[mcca7596]

Too bad police forces don't seem to be a very effective way of fighting crime these days...but ah well.

Are you eluding to the proposition that community redevelopment and investment is one of the best ways to fight crime? If so, I agree.

[Snowman]

Somewhat surprising; most disconcerting is that I assume this isn't overall crime data, it's based on things like rape, murder, assault, etc... as these constitute "violence".

40% is of overall violent crime data per 100,000 people, the other 60% is somewhat more gray. 20% of it is number of people in jail, it gives cities that have revolving door policies an advantage. Also 40% is from number of police and number of guns, which are slightly more arguable how affective that is because if you are determined enough you can get a gun most anywhere and find a time when police are not around.

[mcca7596]

Thanks for that info Snowman, where did you find that out?

[Snowman]

Thanks for that info Snowman, where did you find that out?

the one I was referring to was the huffington post one, the FBI one seems like news agencies like to post with no mention of how it was compiled, deep reporting their. It is funny that the put this out even when at least a couple did not make numbers available. ... later edit ... I am giving up on finding the methods used to determine the FBI list, at least some good news is violent crime is down 6.2% national over the last 6 months and arson is down 14.6%.

Apparently the FBI does not support the media style slideshows the press puts out, this seems to be their standard disclaimer on the city report pages

Figures used in this Report were submitted voluntarily by law enforcement agencies throughout the country. Individuals using these tabulations are cautioned against drawing conclusions by making direct comparisons between cities. Comparisons lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting communities and their residents. Valid assessments are possible only with careful study and analysis of the range of unique conditions affecting each local law enforcement jurisdiction. It is important to remember that crime is a social problem and, therefore, a concern of the entire community. The efforts of law enforcement are limited to factors within its control. The data user is, therefore, cautioned against comparing statistical data of individual agencies.

[Kerry]

How many times do you see OKC on an episode of Cops?

[cameron_405]

How many times do you see OKC on an episode of Cops?

...to my knowledge, COPS has only filmed in Oklahoma City once in the early 1990's -- followed the lake patrol on their duties, but the episode never aired (not enough action?). I have seen Tulsa featured on COPS numerous times.

[Kerry]

They are in Sacramento, Nashville, Atlanta, and Phoenix all the time.

[TulsaRobert]

...to my knowledge, COPS has only filmed in Oklahoma City once in the early 1990's -- followed the lake patrol on their duties, but the episode never aired (not enough action?). I have seen Tulsa featured on COPS numerous times.

Tulsa has only been on COPS four times in the entire history of the show (Episode Guide). Looks like they followed Tulsa County Sheriff's Office for a couple of months back in 2009, and were planning on spreading that over 6-12 episodes: Fox 23 - "FOX's "COPS" show in Tulsa County". However, they were only able to get enough footage for the following four episodes:

• Season 22, Episode 10 – Aired: 11/21/2009 COPS - Slacker Crimes Special Edition
  COPS - Slacker Crimes Special Edition. Stories from Arizona and Florida include: Tulsa County, Arizona Sheriff's deputy Ryan Ayers is dispatched to a carjacking which ends after a foot pursuit. Palm Beach County, Florida Sheriff's deputies Edward Elliot and Bryan Fitch are called to a domestic disturbance involving a father and his two sons. Broken Arrow, Oklahoma Police Officer Eric Keech and Cpl. Tim Jentsch investigate a young woman found passed out on the side of the road by a church.
• Season 22, Episode 21 – Aired: 1/16/2010 COPS - Coast To Coast
  COPS from Oklahoma, California, and Florida. This weeks stories include: Tulsa County Deputy Ryan Ayers investigates a vehicle that is stopped in the middle of a highway. San Bernardino County Deputy Eddie Bachman spots two suspects that were wanted for another crime. Boynton Beach Officer Justin Harris stops a car making a u-turn in front of a known drug house.
• Season 22, Episode 22 – Aired: 1/23/2010 COPS - Coast To Coast
  COPS from California, and Oklahoma. This week's stories include: When San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputies get to the scene of what has been called in as a minor accident, they discover a terrible multi-car collision. Tulsa County, Oklahoma, Sheriff deputies start what they think will be a routine traffic stop on a vehicle, only to have it turn into a foot chase with K-9 dogs.
• Season 22, Episode 23 – Aired: 1/30/2010 COPS - Coast To Coast
  COPS from Oklahoma and Florida. This week's stories include: Officers from the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office in Oklahoma pursue a man after he refuses to stop for a park ranger. When they hit a dead end, the suspect starts running and is taken down by the officers. The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office in Florida makes a routine traffic stop in a drug neighborhood for an improper turn signal and discovers a loaded revolver under the front seat of a convicted felon's car.

[bombermwc]

Well hang on now, if it's CAPITAL cities, then that's a whole different ball game. NYC, Chicago, LA, etc.....none of them are capital cities folks. In fact, it's LESS common for the largest city to be the capital. So we're comparing ourselves to the Jefferson City, MO's of the country...not the big MSA's out there.

It's all in context. You want a study that does a better job of comparing crime, it would cover all cities. Go look at the list of state capitals and see if you even know where 1/2 of the cities are. I'm sure everyone knows where Augusta, ME is right?

[David]

Anything is true once you add enough adjectives.

[Kerry]

What is the crime rate in Helena, MT or Bismark, ND.

[BBatesokc]

Well hang on now, if it's CAPITAL cities, then that's a whole different ball game. NYC, Chicago, LA, etc.....none of them are capital cities folks. In fact, it's LESS common for the largest city to be the capital. So we're comparing ourselves to the Jefferson City, MO's of the country...not the big MSA's out there.

It's all in context. You want a study that does a better job of comparing crime, it would cover all cities. Go look at the list of state capitals and see if you even know where 1/2 of the cities are. I'm sure everyone knows where Augusta, ME is right?

Good point - certainly more on point that where the show COPS has filmed. Filming for that show has much more to do with production issues and police cooperation that who has more crime.

[Bunty]

40% is of overall violent crime data per 100,000 people, the other 60% is somewhat more gray. 20% of it is number of people in jail, it gives cities that have revolving door policies an advantage. Also 40% is from number of police and number of guns, which are slightly more arguable how affective that is because if you are determined enough you can get a gun most anywhere and find a time when police are not around.

What causes so much crime in Oklahoma and OKC? Poverty? Low pay jobs? Lack of ambition to become a better, more productive person? Drug addiction, especially to meth?

[mcca7596]

What causes so much crime in Oklahoma and OKC? Poverty? Low pay jobs? Lack of ambition to become a better, more productive person? Drug addiction, especially to meth?

I'd say all of those and just low standards and appreciation for life in general.

[BG918]

What causes so much crime in Oklahoma and OKC? Poverty? Low pay jobs? Lack of ambition to become a better, more productive person? Drug addiction, especially to meth?

What makes you believe it is any worse here than other states?

[poe]

Now Little Rock had a HBO special not too long ago - perhaps 12 years - about gang violence. I'm sure it's cleaned up since then, but I would much rather be in OKC than Little Rock.

[Jersey Boss]

At least we have an over-paid police force. Thank goodness for that.

Too bad police forces don't seem to be a very effective way of fighting crime these days...but ah well.

What do you consider a fair wage for being a cop?

[TulsaRobert]

Now Little Rock had a HBO special not too long ago - perhaps 12 years - about gang violence. I'm sure it's cleaned up since then, but I would much rather be in OKC than Little Rock.

North Little Rock is still having quite a few problems with gangs, according to a friend of mine. That being said, I would much rather be in Tulsa or OKC than little rock as well!

[BG918]

Surprised not to see Jackson, MS, Phoenix, AZ, Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN or Nashville, TN ahead of OKC..

[ljbab728]

Anything is true once you add enough adjectives.

Exactly right, David. If you had a list of the most violent capital cities in the US that started with the letter "O", we could be number one. LOL

[Kerry]

Exactly right, David. If you had a list of the most violent capital cities in the US that started with the letter "O", we could be number one. LOL

What about Olympia?